Bears01 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Can't wait for the eventual blue shift in 2026 where Josh Shapiro probably wins in a landslide (tbf he is popular in PA) and dem strategists coming to the conclusion: "we need to clear the primary for him…..he appeals the most to REPUBLICANS!!" 1 2
Armani? Posted November 7 Posted November 7 So since Trump is extending his tax cuts, that will be the main thing people experience immediately presumably?
GraceRandolph Posted November 7 Posted November 7 52 minutes ago, Save-Me-Oprah said: Would Pete Booty really be that bad of a choice? He's basically Hillary 3.0
GraceRandolph Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, Bears01 said: Can't wait for the eventual blue shift in 2026 where Josh Shapiro probably wins in a landslide (tbf he is popular in PA) and dem strategists coming to the conclusion: "we need to clear the primary for him…..he appeals the most to REPUBLICANS!!" They'll just keep losing if they go with more Shapiro types as POTUS candidates. Local and national elections are different animals.
Vermillion Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, Bears01 said: Can't wait for the eventual blue shift in 2026 where Josh Shapiro probably wins in a landslide (tbf he is popular in PA) and dem strategists coming to the conclusion: "we need to clear the primary for him…..he appeals the most to REPUBLICANS!!" The oppo typhoon that buried him in three days isn't going anywhere and will depress turn-out and his Republican support for Governor will not transfer over as prez candidate - there are countless examples of that exact attempt not transpiring. 2 2
YellowRibbon Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Shapiro is not happening (I hope). The writing is on the wall, choose a populist left leaning candidate like Dan Osborn... He came like 8 points short of defeating the incumbent Republican senator in *Nebraska* 3
itsnickcray Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Americans are so dramatic. It's called democracy and Trump even won the popular votes. It is what it is. Just let people/the world destroy (or heal) themselves and enjoy your life. 2 7
Xavi Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) USA its a shithole so I don't surprise about that. I hope this country disapear soon as posible in order to leave the world leave with some peace. Edited November 7 by Xavi 1
Marianah Adkins Posted November 7 Posted November 7 6 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said: Who was managing the finances? MC Hammer? The mismanagement nnnn what happened to the money, did they stole it?? That explains her messy campaign 1
Xavi Posted November 7 Posted November 7 14 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said: Who was managing the finances? MC Hammer? Judas film director haha
Popular Post Vermillion Posted November 7 Popular Post Posted November 7 23 minutes ago, itsnickcray said: Americans are so dramatic. It's called democracy and Trump even won the popular votes. It is what it is. Just let people/the world destroy (or heal) themselves and enjoy your life. I wish the people trolling here would try harder. Please spend your energy elsewhere if you don't have anything productive to contribute here, to people that will be affected by these policy changes and therefore won't be able to "enjoy their life". 4 11
Mordecai Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 hour ago, GraceRandolph said: Where do you think the Dems future lies? I'm only an outsider looking in so I'm no oracle, but a big sentiment I saw leading up to the election is a lack of effective messaging. I read a post here that said many voters, even Republicans, blindly pick democratic economic policies over their counterparts so it's not so much a policy issue (that is if they stop pandering to the right so much) and is a messaging issue. Now that's going to be hard because the bar is in hell for the republicans and anything remotely progressive by the dems is labelled 'socialist' or 'communist' which is why how they're communicated is key. I also think above all people are underestimating just how much MAGA lives and dies with Trump. He is a cult of personality, no successor will be able to carry the torch and have the kind of popularity he does. JD Vance's unfavourability rating is just as bad as Trump's and he is nowhere near as divisive as him, not to mention he has zero charisma and personality standing next to him. Trump is a one of a kind politican (much like people say Obama was) and when his term ends I think the republicans will have a serious issue filling the power vacuum Above all the dems need fresh blood. They definitely need to look beyond their current lineup but I don't think the answer lies within a celebrity figure 1
Chemist Posted November 7 Posted November 7 53 minutes ago, Vermillion said: Why did the massive Dem drop-off happen? That's the question that needs to be answered first. Leave Latino men to the sociologists. i think we are being disingenuous with this question, there was no massive drop-off. The democratic turnout in 2024 is expected to be the same, or even slightly higher than in 2008 and 2012 (accounting for population growth) aka the big democratic coalition years. We can discuss why 2020 had such a massive turnout and how to encourage similar turnout in the future, but ignoring the documented shift to the right among certain demographics will not be helpful 1
Virgos Groove Posted November 7 Posted November 7 15 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said: The mismanagement nnnn what happened to the money, did they stole it?? That explains her messy campaign We're gonna find out those Brat edits cost $30M each. 1
Marianah Adkins Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 1 minute ago, Virgos Groove said: We're gonna find out those Brat edits cost $30M each. I read somewhere that it may be the fees paid to the celebrities that appeared in her rally/concerts Edited November 7 by Marianah Adkins
DevilsRollTheDice Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) Not sure if this has been shared in the countless pages I've missed, but a note on enthusiasm and turnout: There seems to be a lot of liberal/leftist arguing about enthusiasm and whether that cost us the election. I think it's pretty intuitive to realize that 2020 turnout was uniquely high because of COVID and mail-in ballots, but people are still arguing about it. With millions of votes left to count, 2024 is already millions ahead of 2016. What is more interesting is that battleground turnout was actually quite high. With her current vote totals, KH would already win Georgia, Wisconsin, and Michigan in 2020. She's also already achieved more votes than Biden in NC. She'll wrap up Arizona and Nevada around Biden's performance. Trump will earn at least as many votes in Pennsylvania as Biden in 2020. Harris will be just under his 2020 finish. These numbers don't suggest that the voters craved an inspiring progressive, rather than many of them simply bought what Trump was selling and actively shifted their vote. The more data comes out, the more clear it is that this election was over before it started. The US has shifted right. Some reliable Democratic coalitions have shifted very right. Edited November 7 by DevilsRollTheDice 5 1
Marianah Adkins Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, DevilsRollTheDice said: Not sure if this has been shared in the countless pages I've missed, but a note on enthusiasm and turnout: There seems to be a lot of liberal/leftist arguing about enthusiasm and whether than cost us the election. I think it's pretty intuitive to realize that 2020 turnout was uniquely high because of COVID and mail-in ballots, but people are still arguing about it. With millions of votes left to count, 2024 is already millions ahead of 2016. What is more interesting is that battleground turnout was actually quite high. With her current vote totals, KH would already win Georgia, Wisconsin, and Michigan in 2020. She's also already achieved more votes than Biden in NC. She'll wrap up Arizona and Nevada around Biden's performance. Trump will earn at least as many votes in Pennsylvania as Biden in 2020. Harris will be just under his 2020 finish. These numbers don't suggest that the voters craved an inspiring progressive, rather than many of them simply bought what Trump was selling and actively shifted their vote. The more data comes out, the more clear it is that this election was over before it started. The US has shifted right. Some reliable Democratic coalitions have shifted very right. The shift has been happening since the past decade tbh but this election just confirmed that it is fatal to the Democratic Party. How the party failed to stop the shift, I have no idea if its mere hubris or incompetence on their part
Virgos Groove Posted November 7 Posted November 7 10 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said: I read somewhere that it may be the fees paid to the celebrities that appeared in her rally/concerts They paid for that Katy concert? With actual money? 4
DevilsRollTheDice Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said: The shift has been happening since the past decade tbh but this election just confirmed that it is fatal to the Democratic Party. How the party failed to stop the shift, I have no idea if its mere hubris or incompetence on their part Agreed. I do find the scope of the problem overwhelming, though. Just 30-40 years ago, most Americans received news by watching the evening news on TV. While news media is far from perfect, most of it still adheres to pretty rigorous journalistic standards. Now, millions of Americans either 1.) Don't consume news at all or 2.) Get all their "news" from talking head podcast bros, streamers, insanely bias social media posts that have been curated to match and radicalize their views. All day I've read comments from people saying, "Harris had no policies" or "Harris refused to give interviews." Regardless of how you feel about Harris' policies or interviews, those statements are objectively untrue. But they are what the talking heads on the right were saying. Those ideas and others like them permeated millions of American voters. It also explains how Americans have such a poor understanding of economic issues. While the president barely affects the economy in the short term, Joe Rogan and the like peddled and platformed the idea that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris were personally responsible for inflation. I think figuring a way out of this is going to be very, very difficult. You can't force people to sit down and consume high quality information. The **** they're consuming is intentionally designed to induce emotional responses and be addictive. 2
itsnickcray Posted November 7 Posted November 7 11 minutes ago, Vermillion said: I wish the people trolling here would try harder. Please spend your energy elsewhere if you don't have anything productive to contribute here, to people that will be affected by these policy changes and therefore won't be able to "enjoy their life". This is what I mean with being dramatic. We don't live in the middle ages. And life is also way to short for playing the victim. There are countries with the most absurt standards, wars etc but the people are also making the best of it over there. Just because someone won because of your own people doesn't mean it's acceptable to "cry and scream". Just accept and man up. Better times are coming. This is what life is, sometimes things doesn't go the way you want or expect. Democracy people. 2
Virgos Groove Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) I'm currently high off hopium, but maybe one of the few good things about this is it will force Europeans to develop their own foreign policy and stop chest-beating and then running scared to the Americans. Hopefully a détente with China is in order, and Scholz/Macron should start working now on a Ukraine peace deal, because you do NOT want Trump to do that. He'll give away everything and the kitchen sink. America will probably be alone in its Cold War with China now that Trump is in office. Sabotaging your economy for American supremacy is already a hard sell, but with Trump in office, it'll be pretty much impossible. Edited November 7 by Virgos Groove 7
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