midnightdawn Posted November 7 Posted November 7 22 minutes ago, XDNA said: Nobody stands out right now. I think we need a primary to see how people do and also be open to non-politicians. True. The recent Dem nominees who went on to become president (Carter, Clinton, Obama, Biden) were pretty much outsiders and not expected to win at the start of the primary season. Trump was also an outsider in 2016. The media's favorites often fail when it comes to actually campaigning on a national level.
Wicked Posted November 7 Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, TROPICUM said: people blaming the election on latino men when just months ago mexico elected their first leftist female president in a landslide… whose party and campaign focused on the main concerns of working class people The kicker for me is they hope all latinos get deported as if every Latino in the US is illegal. And somehow cheering on the possibility anyway lol 1
Wonderland Posted November 7 Posted November 7 The party needs to be laser focussed on the midterms and link the inevitable Trump discontentment with a populist economic message. Not only is this needed to pull some political power back their way in DC, but because a strong midterm showing in 2026 will lead to populist candidates winning shock senate seats or governors mansions; and a politican from this crop would likely field their best candidate for the 2028 election. 3
ClashAndBurn Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, Wonderland said: The party needs to be laser focussed on the midterms and link the inevitable Trump discontentment with a populist economic message. Not only is this needed to pull some political power back their way in DC, but because a strong midterm showing in 2026 will lead to populist candidates winning shock senate seats or governors mansions; and a politican from this crop would likely field their best candidate for the 2028 election. How can you be so certain there's going to be discontentment? Liberal voters were the clear minority this time. The country -chose- Project 2025 and gave him a massive mandate.
superglowy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 5 minutes ago, TROPICUM said: people blaming the election on latino men when just months ago mexico elected their first leftist female president in a landslide… whose party and campaign focused on the main concerns of working class people And just like with White people, Latinos living in and engaging with the politics of their country will vote differently and accordingly than White and Latino people voting in the US. I don't think this post is doing what you think it is.
Bewitched Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Spoiler 55 minutes ago, Save-Me-Oprah said: Go back to the k-pop thread! 1 1 1
Chemist Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 hour ago, TROPICUM said: people blaming the election on latino men when just months ago mexico elected their first leftist female president in a landslide… whose party and campaign focused on the main concerns of working class people Latino men in the US are not exclusively mexican and they have completely different mentality than latinos living in Lat Am. The stats are there they are obviously not the only ones to blame but the reality is that they have shifted markedly to Trump
TROPICUM Posted November 7 Posted November 7 7 minutes ago, superglowy said: And just like with White people, Latinos living in and engaging with the politics of their country will vote differently and accordingly than White and Latino people voting in the US. I don't think this post is doing what you think it is. and how much of the electorate percentage is shared by white people vs. general POCs? the blame game is expected but looking at the stats the problem lies with white people staying on their couches, not latino turnout. 1
Harrier Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Not to get too libby, but a 36 year old man who voted Obama x 2 -> Trump -> Biden -> Trump is just a misogynist influenced by implicit bias. No amount of economic rambling can convince me otherwise. A fundamentally illogical and stupid voting pattern that has no possible explanation other than I don't think female candidates are likeable or competetent. There is no substantive difference between Kamala+Hillary as a duo and Obama+Biden as a duo other than gender. edit: to be clear, referring to that reddit post 7 3
GraceRandolph Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, Harrier said: Not to get too libby, but a 36 year old man who voted Obama x 2 -> Trump -> Biden -> Trump is just a misogynist. No amount of economic rambling can convince me otherwise. A fundamentally illogical and stupid voting pattern that has no possible explanation other than I don't think female candidates are likeable or competetent. There is no substantive difference between Kamala + Hillary as a duo and Obama +Biden as a duo other than gender. Misogyny plays a role but it's not the whole story, like at all
Jotham Posted November 7 Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, Harrier said: Not to get too libby, but a 36 year old man who voted Obama x 2 -> Trump -> Biden -> Trump is just a misogynist influenced by implicit bias. No amount of economic rambling can convince me otherwise. A fundamentally illogical and stupid voting pattern that has no possible explanation other than I don't think female candidates are likeable or competetent. There is no substantive difference between Kamala + Hillary as a duo and Obama +Biden as a duo other than gender. Are you referring to the Reddit post? If so, I agree. Also, how can you call yourself "socially liberal" while voting for the man who centered his campaign on demonizing transgender people? I looked through his post history though and he is getting dragged so hard.
Harrier Posted November 7 Posted November 7 6 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Misogyny plays a role but it's not the whole story, like at all Not of the overall election. But yes of a voter opens their lengthy explanation of their Obama-Trump-Biden-Trump votes by saying "Kamala is NOT likable whatsoever". I was responding to this viral post reddit Thuggin posted, should have been clear.
Save-Me-Oprah Posted November 7 Posted November 7 have the lights gone out in Kari Lake's heaven yet 5
Save-Me-Oprah Posted November 7 Posted November 7 14 minutes ago, Bewitched said: Reveal hidden contents Go back to the k-pop thread! let me have a little range 1
GraceRandolph Posted November 7 Posted November 7 11 hours ago, Bloo said: Her voters couldn't recite any of these, so she clearly did a bad job. Part of it is these are too wonky. "Medicare for All" is simple and easy to put on a bumper sticker. Even basic ideas like raising the minimum wage to $15? That's gone. Biden ran on it, but Kamala refused to incorporate it in an election cycle where people felt they couldn't afford to live. Exit polls I believe also showed the electorate was unfamiliar with Hillary's policies/agenda. Clearly the message is NOT. GETTING. THROUGH. And it's because their platforms are not inspiring enough.
elevate Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 hours ago, HonourableVomit said: I've been reading the gen Z sub on & off for years (I don't really believe it's truly full of gen Z... but) I know quite a few Gen Z guys who genuinely get so upset about being persecuted for masculinity and live in fear but when I press them for examples, they have nothing? I truly believe there are so many of them who hate women, whether it's due to feeling rejected from the dating pool or entitled to attention they don't receive. I can't figure it out because they simply cannot explain it to me. These are guys who have been raised by spending 10 hours a day online & interacting mainly with men online. It is exactly that. A lot of them are caught up in an online echo chamber of "alpha males" and feel entitled to sex / a relationship, whereas the girls of their age have friends in real life. Note that you won't find the healthy Gen Z guys on subs like that because they too have lives (dating the aforementioned girls), and that's a demo that requires attention by Dems. 2 1
Cain Posted November 7 Posted November 7 34 minutes ago, TROPICUM said: people blaming the election on latino men when just months ago mexico elected their first leftist female president in a landslide… whose party and campaign focused on the main concerns of working class people Mexicans born and raised and living in Mexico and latino's living in the US are not comparable nor live comparable lives 2 2
GraceRandolph Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Some of these societal dynamics just have to play out I think. These vast interpersonal and societal issues can't be solved by a 3 month political campaign, and echo chambers tend to insulate people anyway.
GraceRandolph Posted November 7 Posted November 7 The Kamala campaign did a ton of voter outreach. Calls, texts, ads, and she did do some new media interviews. People have to organically connect with a candidate first though for any of these to work, and people already rejected Kamala in 2020. 2
Save-Me-Oprah Posted November 7 Posted November 7 So have we figured out who fucked y'all over the worst? The whites? Men? Uneducated whites? Uneducated men? Latinos?
GraceRandolph Posted November 7 Posted November 7 The fact that people are floating Mark Cuban, Pete Buttigieg, Beto O'Rourke and Gavin Newsome as potential nominees. Oh honey… 2 1 3
EnterTheAttic Posted November 7 Posted November 7 I have been an emotional wreck since yesterday. I'm at work now and made the mistake of listening to this song that deeply moves me and the water gates opened and I'm silently crying in my desk. I'm so worried. 5
Mordecai Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) I detest career politicans as much as the next person but if you think that the democrats' answer for 2028 lies with a celebrity with no political experience like Trump then there's something wrong with you Edited November 7 by Mordecai 1 2
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