news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[BOOMBAYAH]

Just now, Bewitched said:

I would really like to see Beto O'Rourke or Gavin Newsom run in 2028

(Serious) What do you like about Gavin Newsom? Multiple people in here have said they'd like to/expect to see him run.  

[Save-Me-Oprah]

3 minutes ago, Bewitched said:

I would really like to see Beto O'Rourke or Gavin Newsom run in 2028

[teresaguidice]

15 minutes ago, Radical Pessimism said:

Looking at the numbers of the voters in this election, I think that's what need to happen.

the numbers in this election say voters from almost every corner of the country wanted change and that they do not trust democrats as they are now to improve their lives or economic standing. your solution is more the same in a different skin suit. seems wise. 

[Suilen]

22 minutes ago, bunnyeyes said:

I completely agree and have been saying that people are hungry for radical economic change instead of identity politics but not some of yall blaming Dem's (alleged) support for trans people for this election result when Kamala refused to even use the word when repeatedly pressed about it on the campaign trail, refused to clearly and explicitly say trans people deserve gender affirming care and the Biden admin's final statement on trans youth after their four year tenure was to drop their previous policies and adopt the republican position, sparking outrage from major LGBTQ advocacy groups  

 

I also agree we need to tell restructure the conversation away from an extremely small minority to issues voters actually care about but some of y'all are feeding into the dangerous right-wing narrative from the moment you hit send on the phrase "transgenders" instead of "transgender/trans people."

I believe that one of the ways to tie trans issues to the bigger context is through criticism of patriarchy. Straight men are also victims of it, though certainly not to the same extent as trans people. Still, the expectations they have to meet, the disregard towards their mental health, the fact that their value depends either on their professional success or partner, they all stem from patriarchy. Maybe if someone could convince them that the enemy is not women and queer people but the system that affects everyone (and that includes capitalism, which is in symbiotic relationship with patriarchy), the situation wouldn't be so dire. But that's only the part where you acknowledge the problem, which is hard enough to achieve, as many men will only listen to other men, and there aren't many left-wing men out there to do the job. As for the solutions, well... That will require some significant changes to the way society works, and that won't happen overnight. I understand why people want easy answers to their struggles, but the 'manosphere' and the right in general don't really offer any long-term workarounds and only widen the divide between the individuals who actually have a lot in common, it's just that they allow themselves to be convinced that the differences matter more.

[Leppie]

2 minutes ago, Bewitched said:

I would really like to see Beto O'Rourke or Gavin Newsom run in 2028

Surely loser Beto would be too embarrassed to run for anything ever again  

[BOOMBAYAH]

I hate that this man is being disingenuous as f*ck here because I kinda need more high ranking politicians to start clocking like this. 

 

[bunnyeyes]

1 minute ago, Suilen said:

I believe that one of the ways to tie trans issues to the bigger context is through criticism of patriarchy. Straight men are also victims of it, though certainly not to the same extent as trans people. Still, the expectations they have to meet, the disregard towards their mental health, the fact that their value depends either on their professional success or partner, they all stem from patriarchy. Maybe if someone could convince them that the enemy is not women and queer people but the system that affects everyone (and that includes capitalism, which is in symbiotic relationship with patriarchy), the situation wouldn't be so dire. But that's only the part where you acknowledge the problem, which is hard enough to achieve, as many men will only listen to other men, and there aren't many left-wing men out there to do the job. As for the solutions, well... That will require some significant changes to the way society works, and that won't happen overnight. I understand why people want easy answers to their struggles, but the 'manosphere' and the right in general don't really offer any long-term workarounds and only widen the divide between the individuals who actually have a lot in common, it's just that they allow themselves to be convinced that the differences matter more.

At the end of the day our corporate oligarchs are happy to have us fight amongst ourselves to distract us from their class warfare and both parties are complicit in their bribes and donations which is why the dem establishment will never allow a Sanders-like candidate to rise.  

[superglowy]

6 hours ago, BeenTheShit said:

Oh she cooked. 

 

This QUEEN! ❤️

[Arrows]

Depressed

[modeblock]

10 minutes ago, Bewitched said:

I would really like to see Beto O'Rourke or Gavin Newsom run in 2028

NO MORE losers and corporate demssz pls i beg 

[anastaciabby]

7 minutes ago, BOOMBAYAH said:

I hate that this man is being disingenuous as f*ck here because I kinda need more high ranking politicians to start clocking like this. 

 

you guys don't help by normalizing this man so much

[BOOMBAYAH]

2 minutes ago, anastaciabby said:

you guys don't help by normalizing this man so much

We're in a political thread on a niche website where most regular users who engage in the thread are intelligent and politically informed. No one here is interpreting me saying, "Trump calling the Cheneys war hawks was good, it's a shame he was being disingenuous", as an endorsement or normalisation, please.

[Thesedays]

17 hours ago, Khal said:

Yes, but that was 16 years ago, before the tea party thing, before MAGA. I am not certain that is viable anymore at this point, unless Trump's presidency is a colossal failure.

Lol I am glad I am not American because I literally just witnessed the Dem Party do its most right-wing campaign since literally Bill Clinton and lose every single swing states while your average American lib is like "mmmm I guess the only answer is to move further right because that's the direction the country's going".

[XDNA]

39 minutes ago, Radical Pessimism said:

Any names come to mind from dems ?

Nobody stands out right now. I think we need a primary to see how people do and also be open to non-politicians.

[Wonderland]

17 minutes ago, Leppie said:

Surely loser Beto would be too embarrassed to run for anything ever again  

I mean, he could be the Democratic Kari Lake.

 

Gotta win at some point, right?

 

 

 

[ClashAndBurn]

10 minutes ago, anastaciabby said:

you guys don't help by normalizing this man so much

He was already normalized. The genocidal hag already lost the popular vote to him by MILLIONS. How more normalized can you get than that?

[Blade Runner]

2 hours ago, Thuggin said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/self/s/3Xq5iKyfKT
 

This Reddit post kind of says it all tbh. This is the average person who didn't vote Trump in 2020 but voted for him in 2024. Yes, cultural resentment was and is a factor for many Trump voters too, but I think those people are firmly Republican at this point.

 

At least these people are honest. They don't care about abortion and other people's rights that much. It will always be of negligible concern compared to their pocketbooks. Also, on all the "I need to be able to put food on the table for my family / gas in my car" takes, I can understand why a working class person who's not that tuned into policy may feel desperate for a change, but let's keep it real. Most of the people saying this are not a paycheck away from poverty. They are living very comfortably albeit slightly less comfortably than before inflation (or at least they believe they are).

 

The truth is the vast majority of people are very individualistic and self-interested. They may be empathetic to other people's fights for equality / rights, but they will never choose them if it means financial sacrifice. As long as Republicans are winning on the economic message, our rights will always be on the line.

The way some americans talk like they live in f+cking Bolivia.  You're still rich af compared to the rest of the world. 

[Radical Pessimism]

5 minutes ago, XDNA said:

Nobody stands out right now. I think we need a primary to see how people do and also be open to non-politicians.

I agree 

[superglowy]

4 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

He was already normalized. The genocidal hag already lost the popular vote to him by MILLIONS. How more normalized can you get than that?

Don't complain about misogyny then refer to a woman as a 'hag'.

 

Thank you.

[superglowy]

7 minutes ago, XDNA said:

Nobody stands out right now. I think we need a primary to see how people do and also be open to non-politicians.

I feel like it's gonna be a surprise candidate, like when Schwarzenegger entered politics (or Trump ).

 

I do like the idea of Jon Stewart but feel he would never run.

[anastaciabby]

19 minutes ago, BOOMBAYAH said:

We're in a political thread on a niche website where most regular users who engage in the thread are intelligent and politically informed. No one here is interpreting me saying, "Trump calling the Cheneys war hawks was good, it's a shame he was being disingenuous", as an endorsement or normalisation, please.

it's a running theme everywhere online and in mass media and is a big part of him not being treated like everyone else. I can list reason after reason as to how it has helped him decenzitize people over the past 8 years or how it helped him invade criminal convictions that should've been dealt with 2 years ago

 

You guys get so offended over the smallest remarks that aren't even personal yet act like you aren't divided af. If this is a political thread then maybe people should be able to talk about everything that went wrong not just harp on the same issue over and over because as you said  it's a dumb pop forum so what does it matter so much to you?

Edited November 7 by anastaciabby

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[anastaciabby]

1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said:

 

but posting different tweets that say the same thing for 2 days straight is helpful

[TROPICUM]

people blaming the election on latino men when just months ago mexico elected their first leftist female president in a landslide… whose party and campaign focused on the main concerns of working class people

[ClashAndBurn]

6 minutes ago, superglowy said:

Don't complain about misogyny then refer to a woman as a 'hag'.

 

Thank you.

Lol, I've said nothing about misogyny being the reason (excuse) for her loss, but alright, whatever. You libs can stay losing.