VOSS Posted November 7 Posted November 7 15 minutes ago, Redstreak said: Random side thought I had I always kinda thought the "Harris and the democrats are hiding Biden's mental problems and lying to the American people" was just standard MAGA noise but I wonder if a non-negligible number of democrats didn't also feel the same I absolutely felt the same because they clearly were glossing over and covering up his problems. It just became too embarrassing to pretend after the debate. I think Dems probably still would have lost if Biden didn't run for a second term but god damn what an indictment of him, his administration, and the entire Dem leadership. I applaud Nancy for doing what it took but she waited far too long.
TedLasso Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Honestly Pete would be such a great option for 2028 if he wasn't gay. Dems need to find an Obama 2.0 if they want to gain more of the straight male vote. 1
Sergi91 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 4 minutes ago, PrettyHurts said: Vance vs. AOC 2028 You really think another woman is going to win the nomination anytime soon? It's going to be either Newsom or Shapiro against Vance.
Mordecai Posted November 7 Posted November 7 44 minutes ago, Sergi91 said: A humiliating defeat back in 1960 for presidency (and 1962 for CA Governor) did not stop then-Vice President Nixon from winning the presidency in 1968 and 1972… I'm not American so call me delusional but I think Kamala has a lot of potential. Now that she's freed from the shackles of Biden, maybe she can take the next couple of years to regroup and then pursue office again. Doesn't necessarily have to be president 14 minutes ago, DR0GO said: While I'm legit heartbroken that our girl loss, I'm going to use this anger and frustration and channel it into something productive. I'm tired of standing by and feeling hopeless. After thinking about it for years, this election has been the tipping point in finally deciding that I want to go to law school to become a defense attorney. Thank you Kamala for the 90 or so days of joy and excitement you were able to inject into this race; as a black man, your run was inspiring. There's a lot of work and soul searching that needs to be done, but if these MAGA f*cks think we're going to just watch them tear our democracy to the ground, they're in for a rude awakening! I'm not too far off from finishing law school and Kamala's story and campaign has been very inspiring to me as a future lawyer and prosecutor. Glad to see she has resonated with others in a profound way. Wishing you all the best, the world needs people like us 1 3
Bears01 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Jon Stewart is legit the only option I see as someone who could break through for Dems in a way that Trump broke though for Republicans. Whitmer has good populist accomplishments in MI that help too (repealing RTW). But her being a female in an era where America clearly doesn't want a female president is a hinderance. Everyone else I can think of (Shapiro, Newsome, Pete) no no and NO. Shapiro will pander to republicans and run another Hillary, Biden, Kamala like campaign. We need populism and someone who can speak to the working class 5 1
Gaia Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Sergi91 said: Netanyahu is also clapping along with them The Arab stance on this whole issue has been so bizarre. I will have no sympathy for anyone who paraded around encouraging people note to vote or who voted 3rd party or who voted for Donald Trump. You asked for the future you'll get. Biden/Harris were no saints, but they were so clearly at least SOMEWHAT conscious of the fact that civilians were losing their lives. Watch as Trump does not give 2 shits. He has already public stated so. Edited November 7 by Gaia 1 4
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted November 7 Author ATRL Moderator Posted November 7 14 minutes ago, TedLasso said: Unlike in 2016, Trump basically has a Trump Jr running mate who can carry his legacy if he's willing to Vance is not a Trump Jr, Trump is very unique
Pikachoo Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, Bears01 said: Jon Stewart is legit the only option I see as someone who could break through for Dems in a way that Trump broke though for Republicans. Whitmer has good populist accomplishments in MI that help too (repealing RTW). But her being a female in an era where America clearly doesn't want a female president is a hinderance. Everyone else I can think of (Shapiro, Newsome, Pete) no no and NO. Shapiro will pander to republicans and run another Hillary, Biden, Kamala like campaign. We need populism and someone who can speak to the working class I get where you're coming from but let's get Howard Stern in there too while we're at it. 1
BOOMBAYAH Posted November 7 Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, Jay07 said: God, you hit the nail on the head. We talked about it yesterday but this is the most shocking thing to me. Talking to these 20 something guys that are the opposite of the "chad", lonely, non athletic guys who play video games and don't have a lot of social currency, the way they idolize these ridiculous jocks from Rogan on down instead of rejecting the toxic masculinity stereotypes and attempting to reshape society in a more compassionate manner that will accept everyone... like white women, I have no idea why they fight against their own interests and become even more hateful of everyone that doesn't fit the stereotype of the straight, popular jock instead of understanding that if all outcasts band together, they can reshape society to be more tolerant and inclusive. Instead they get taught to hate women, people of color and LGBTQ. Why? I remember (and this was like two or three years ago now) my friend said something along the lines of, 'Men think feminism hates them, but it's actually the redpill. The redpill is what tells them they are useless if they are not rich, tall, attractive, a provider, or gymed up. It is feminism and feminist women who tell them they don't need to be any of those things to be a valuable human.' And it's really the truth. But yes, the anti-toxic-masculinity movement was eventually all but destroyed by the emergence of the redpill and conservatism, and I don't quite know how we can reach young men again. Kamala and Michelle tried to steer the message back to, again, impact them directly, by saying that it will be the wives, girlfriends, sisters, and mothers in their lives who suffer too (to at least appeal to their selfish nature), but even that fell flat, it seems. So yeah, we do need leftist men taking up online space, but it's systemically just difficult as f*ck—and maybe the only option is to install these leftist men while also playing into patriarchy and political games ourselves, by having them fit the beauty standards (Hasan) or be edgy to the point where it is basically dangerous/touching on right-wing (Destiny). 6 1
Achilles. Posted November 7 Posted November 7 33 minutes ago, BOOMBAYAH said: To reach young (and, let's be honest, mostly straight) men as leftists, the task essentially involves persuading them to relinquish their status as society's "top dogs" and to elevate women and minorities The sad thing is that we don't even really want them to relinquish top dog status, simply share it. But that's the problem: far too many people in this country think equal treatment for others means oppression for themselves. 4
gagacasanova Posted November 7 Posted November 7 One of the best things to happen during the campaign tbh
Bears01 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, Pikachoo said: I get where you're coming from but let's get Howard Stern in there too while we're at it. Watch how he speaks to politicians and how he was instrumental in getting a bill passed in Congress that helped veterans. You may not like it, but it's stuff that appeals to everyday people. You say that, but the idea of Trump being president, and winning 2 terms 10 years ago also sounded 1
Bamboo Posted November 7 Posted November 7 20 minutes ago, TedLasso said: Unlike in 2016, Trump basically has a Trump Jr running mate who can carry his legacy if he's willing to Luckily Vance has negative charisma. I see a repeat of what happened with DeSantis, who was similarly touted as Trump's successor. I just don't think Vance will be able to capture Trump's lightning in a bottle. 4
Thuggin Posted November 7 Posted November 7 9 minutes ago, Sergi91 said: You really think another woman is going to win the nomination anytime soon? It's going to be either Newsom or Shapiro against Vance. They won't nominate another person from California either, especially not the governor 2
Sergi91 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, Thuggin said: They won't nominate another person from California either, especially not the governor He's a man… a white man.
Jack! Posted November 7 Posted November 7 9 minutes ago, TedLasso said: Honestly Pete would be such a great option for 2028 if he wasn't gay. Dems need to find an Obama 2.0 if they want to gain more of the straight male vote. Crazy to think that in this day and age genuinely good politicians would have to be sacrificed out of doing a capable or good job as president because America, the supposed leader of the free world, lacks the ability to elect someone because of their gender and/or sexual orientation. But a sex pest and convicted felon fits the bill. 3
Jotham Posted November 7 Posted November 7 I'm starting to feel better about how we can move forward after this election. It's going to be an uphill battle, but I don't feel as hopeless as I was last night. 2 2
aquababy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 9 minutes ago, Sergi91 said: You really think another woman is going to win the nomination anytime soon? It's going to be either Newsom or Shapiro against Vance. I mean people said the same thing after Hillary lost that we'd never see a woman candidate again for a long time, so I guess if it just works out it works but I do feel like whoever runs in 2028 will be some unknown who no one is even thinking about currently so we'll see. that is of course if by some miracle the dnc wakes tf up and realizes this neoliberalism pleases no one
Sergi91 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 10 minutes ago, Gaia said: The Arab stance on this whole issue has been so bizarre. I will have no sympathy for anyone who paraded around encouraging people note to vote or who voted 3rd party or who voted for Donald Trump. You asked for the future you'll get. Biden/Harris were no saints, but they were so clearly at least SOMEWHAT conscious of the fact that civilians were losing their lives. Watch as Trump does not give 2 shits. He has already public stated so. I won't be surprised if Trump expands Trump Heights & opens a Trump hotel in Gaza
Achilles. Posted November 7 Posted November 7 25 minutes ago, Jay07 said: like white women, I have no idea why they fight against their own interests and become even more hateful of everyone that doesn't fit the stereotype And if I said that many white women have conservative husbands and conservative sons so they do think it's in their families' best interests to vote GOP? 1
Cloröx Posted November 7 Posted November 7 10 minutes ago, Gaia said: The Arab stance on this whole issue has been so bizarre. I will have no sympathy for anyone who paraded around encouraging people note to vote or who voted 3rd party or who voted for Donald Trump. You asked for the future you'll get. Biden/Harris were no saints, but they were so clearly at least SOMEWHAT conscious of the fact that civilians were losing their lives. Watch as Trump does not give 2 shits. He has already public stated so. Nah just drop your mask we are tired seeing your hypocrisy, you don't even care bout Palestine, you just upset that people don't vote Democrats. The immense effort you pulled for the last twelve months to defense Biden his zionism policy won't fool us. 1 2
i spit on haters Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Exploring some options. I would suggest others do the same if you have the resources or can manipulate someone into a permanent visa. 1 6
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