news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[BeenTheShit]

"White women damn sure didn't want to see a black woman ascend to the highest office in this country."

 

[Bloo]

9 minutes ago, Harrier said:

Reflecting today, I apologise to the girls for getting a bit too defensive of Kamala earlier. I just genuinely feel bad for her and for everyone, and it felt like hitting people while they were down. Everyone needs to do some soul searching here if the global left can come back from all these losses. 

 

Leftists are right that the entire focus needs to be in populist economic policy and messaging. Kamala did fail on this, as did Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton before him. The Obama playbook of empty platitudes and positive unity messages that define democratic politics since 08 has failed, and it is time to move to a more aggressive style. The democratic party must become the party of Bernie Sanders going forward. Bernie, more than any othe progressive leader, is very good at pushing for populist economic policy without getting overly trapped in what I would describe as college educated progressivism, as people like AOC do. Without being a purist who kicks people out of his movement the moment there is a single disagreement, instead he's a coalition builder. So yeah, there needs to be a young Bernie Sanders. 

 

I also think it is still true that woke social politics born out of academia are toxic and need to be deliberately demphasised. Those libs yapping about this have a point. Talking about the toxic white men, policing the way people speak, dividing people into categories and groups and assigning levels of privilege. Toxic masculinity. Cancellation. DEI HR departments. And yes, i'm sorry to say, pronoun policing. All of this stuff has - Californian progressivism - become wildly unpopular, and It is delusional to suggest that it is not partly responsible for the mass lurch right among young men and Latino men, almost as much as the economic stuff. It's unpopular not only in the US, but everywhere.

 

So maybe it's a two pronged approach. Populist economics, and reframing our position in the culture war as simply standing up for peoples right to be who they are, regardless of what that might be. Away from the toxic negativity of wokeism and identiy politics that has alienated millions of men around the world, and towards an all inclusive populist movement against corporate oligarchy.

I largely agree. My main pushback is we need to stop saying “wokeism”. One, the term pisses me off as a Black person; this term was made for and by Black people and has been appropriated into a terrible dogwhistle that can mean anything and nothing at the same time. Two, we have to stop ceding ground to right wing framing. If Republicans call you a socialist for advocating for higher wages, just look at them and ask them why they’re against higher wages. An insult is only as powerful as you make it out to be. We can’t let words like “woke” or “socialist” have any value, similar to how the right made “racist” and “Nazi” mean nothing. 

[WokeEqualist]

10 minutes ago, Harrier said:

I also think it is still true that woke social politics born out of academia are toxic and need to be deliberately demphasised. Those libs yapping about this have a point. Talking about the toxic white men, policing the way people speak, dividing people into categories and groups and assigning levels of privilege. Toxic masculinity. Cancellation. DEI HR departments. And yes, i'm sorry to say, pronoun policing. All of this stuff has - Californian progressivism - become wildly unpopular, and It is delusional to suggest that it is not partly responsible for the mass lurch right among young men and Latino men, almost as much as the economic stuff. It's unpopular not only in the US, but everywhere.

 

So maybe it's a two pronged approach. Populist economics, and reframing our position in the culture war as simply standing up for peoples right to be who they are, regardless of what that might be. Away from the toxic negativity of wokeism and identiy politics that has alienated millions of men around the world, and towards an all inclusive populist movement against corporate oligarchy.

 

I've been saying this. The over the top virtue signalling and BuzzFeed activism has done more damage than good

[gagacasanova]

12 minutes ago, BeenTheShit said:

"How an elite nepo crybaby who's never worked a day in his life finessed yall into following him"

 

Oh he ******* SPILLED

[Devin]

45 minutes ago, on the line said:

We sacrificed all of this for a country that will likely won't exist a year from now. Wow.

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[Virgos Groove]

11 minutes ago, Jotham said:

This is likely a stretch, but I wonder if the decline of Tumblr has something to do with younger men moving further to the right. Social justice was a huge thing on Tumblr and for a lot of younger people like me, it was how I got educated about left-leaning issues even though I had a relatively conservative upbringing. Now, social media is so stratified in terms of political topics and most of the online spaces that men get into are very right-leaning, especially on Reddit. Even on more mainstream social media outlets like Instagram and Twitter, the accounts that are catered toward younger male audiences are from the far right, which further isolates them.

Nah, it doesn't track. Gamergate hapenned at the peak of Tumblr, and 4chan and early-10s Reddit (the most male-centric sites at the time) were hardly queer feminist bookshops either.

 

I do think we're seeing a backlash to the achievements of the 2010s social justice movement and we have to find a way to navigate and combat that. I saw this tweet earlier and thought it had a point. Social justice isn't "cool" anymore (was it ever?), even amongst so-called progressives. See: the resurgence of the r-word.

 

 

Edited November 7 by Virgos Groove

[LegaMyth]

2 minutes ago, gagacasanova said:

Oh he ******* SPILLED

Yes, he did. I'm not protesting for a m*******g thing. I'm tired.

[gagacasanova]

https://x.com/talleyberrybaby/status/1854205714379530287?s=19

 

[khalyan]

13 minutes ago, Communion said:

I think AOC is a very smart person and has good intentions but the contrast of her taking this moment to complain about people being critical online of Democrats and how "we have to make coalitions with people we don't always fully agree with" vs Rashida talking in the last days of the campaign about how her concern was to get people off the couch because of how much the genocide broke their spirit in her community, including her mother of all people is... stark.

 

Like it took her this long to mention the lack of a working class agenda and how we have to point to that its the billionaires at fault... yet she was in coalition with Mark Cuban. 

 

Like it's clear she's an institutionally-minded person (you may have to be to be an elected official!) despite being so clearly able to articulate what she knows the problem is. She points out clearly and articulately how Republicans exploit atomization of poor people (!) and try to blame minorities for it under "wokeness" and that Democrats fuel this atomization by failing to address these issues with progressive policy, yet seems often annoyed or frustrated that the very people she refers to become disenfranchised over the actions of the establishment of her party. 

I just think AOC is always battling balancing the establishment with her beliefs, sometimes are more successful than others. 

[Holiest Dreams]

16 hours ago, Holiest Dreams said:

I have a question for people in here who are more well versed in politics and what will probably happen under Trump than I am. I mean, I read about politics often but feel like I'm far from an expert on what is fear mongering and what's possible. I would really appreciate some responses to alleviate my fears or, even worse, confirm them. Re: gay rights

 

Is the talk about them introducing camps for gays actually a possibility?  I've seen so many people dooming by saying that it will 'definitely' get to that point after repealing marriage and protections, maybe a few years down the line. It sounds absurd to me that they could get away with doing something like that in ******* 2024, but I'm starting to have an actual panic attack. Especially because it would be extremely hard for me to flee to somewhere else, honestly. 
 

This might be a dumb question to ask and perhaps not the right time to ask it, but I just really would love to get a feel for where others are at regarding this issue. I'm really ******* scared, and this is without even taking into account other minorities who are probably even higher on the chopping block. It's just so chilling, and I need some reassurance that such radical policies are unlikely (especially if we can overcome this mess in 2028 with a Democrat, as unlikely as it is).

 

/rant sorry but I really am having a panic attack and don't know where else to seek opinions omg 

I posted this at a really busy time last night so I want to bring it back and see if anyone else is willing to respond now.

[family.guy123]

4 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

Nah, it doesn't track. Gamergate hapenned at the peak of Tumblr, and 4chan and early-10s Reddit (the most male-centric sites at the time) were hardly queer feminist bookshops either.

 

I do think we're seeing a backlash to the achievements of the 2010s social justice movement and we have to find a way to navigate and combat that. I saw this tweet earlier and thought it had a point. Social justice isn't "cool" anymore (was it ever?), even amongst so-called progressives. See: the resurgence of the r-word.

 

 

I think Glee is to blame for all of this. Gen Z watched it during the pandemic and fled the other way fast. 

[mxoonlight]

yes guys the SJWs are why 80 million people don't care about civil rights  ughhh finally someone says it

[Elusive Chanteuse]

21 minutes ago, Blankspace2010 said:

Project 2025 also wants to ban all porn. So you baguettes better get your fill before January 20th djegvesksheb

The amount of pornstars I see that support him. They believe Project 2025 won't happen because he said he doesn't know about it.

 

Worms for brains. 

[PrettyHurts]

9 minutes ago, BeenTheShit said:

"White women damn sure didn't want to see a black woman ascend to the highest office in this country."

 

The core of what she's saying is right. White women have always been willing to accept misogyny at the expense of other vulnerable groups

[Virgos Groove]

Oh KOTFM, my beloved...

[Baby Dancer]

It. Is. Not. Our. Fault.

Unless you're a gay for Trump, it's no one on this forums fault. And no, it's not 3rd party voters fault either.

Cut this "too woke" stuff out.

[Lightbringer007]

 

legend

 

Edited November 7 by Lightbringer007

[Cruel Summer]

24 minutes ago, Harrier said:

Reflecting today, I apologise to the girls for getting a bit too defensive of Kamala earlier. I just genuinely feel bad for her and for everyone, and it felt like hitting people while they were down. Everyone needs to do some soul searching here if the global left can come back from all these losses. 

 

Leftists are right that the entire focus needs to be in populist economic policy and messaging. Kamala did fail on this, as did Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton before him. The Obama playbook of empty platitudes and positive unity messages that define democratic politics since 08 has failed, and it is time to move to a more aggressive style. The democratic party must become the party of Bernie Sanders going forward. Bernie, more than any othe progressive leader, is very good at pushing for populist economic policy without getting overly trapped in what I would describe as college educated progressivism, as people like AOC do. Without being a purist who kicks people out of his movement the moment there is a single disagreement, instead he's a coalition builder. So yeah, there needs to be a young Bernie Sanders. 

 

I also think it is still true that woke social politics born out of academia are toxic and need to be deliberately demphasised. Those libs yapping about this have a point. Talking about the toxic white men, policing the way people speak, dividing people into categories and groups and assigning levels of privilege. Toxic masculinity. Cancellation. DEI HR departments. And yes, i'm sorry to say, pronoun policing. All of this stuff has - Californian progressivism - become wildly unpopular, and It is delusional to suggest that it is not partly responsible for the mass lurch right among young men and Latino men, almost as much as the economic stuff. It's unpopular not only in the US, but everywhere.

 

So maybe it's a two pronged approach. Populist economics, and reframing our position in the culture war as simply standing up for peoples right to be who they are, regardless of what that might be. Away from the toxic negativity of wokeism and identiy politics that has alienated millions of men around the world, and towards an all inclusive populist movement against corporate oligarchy.

I honestly feel generally the same as what you've laid out here.

[Harrier]

15 minutes ago, Bloo said:

I largely agree. My main pushback is we need to stop saying "wokeism". One, the term pisses me off as a Black person; this term was made for and by Black people and has been appropriated into a terrible dogwhistle that can mean anything and nothing at the same time. Two, we have to stop ceding ground to right wing framing. If Republicans call you a socialist for advocating for higher wages, just look at them and ask them why they're against higher wages. An insult is only as powerful as you make it out to be. We can't let words like "woke" or "socialist" have any value, similar to how the right made "racist" and "Nazi" mean nothing. 

You're right, I suppose I just don't have the words to describe exactly what I mean. 

The problem we have is the identity stuff is everywhere. I'm seeing it constantly in the post-mortems. Just look above at the rant scolding white women as a collective even though tens of millions of them did vote for Kamala. "White women just didn't want Black women to succeed". Is that what happened here? Is it? As long as we have millions of us who have bought into this way of framing the discussion, how do we push back against a right wing which putwardly says, yes we like white women come in to our movement, even though their policies are horrendous for them. I have been guilty of talking this way too. I just don't know

[LittleStarmen]

23 minutes ago, Harrier said:

 

 

I also think it is still true that woke social politics born out of academia are toxic and need to be deliberately demphasised. Those libs yapping about this have a point. Talking about the toxic white men, policing the way people speak, dividing people into categories and groups and assigning levels of privilege. Toxic masculinity. Cancellation. DEI HR departments. And yes, i'm sorry to say, pronoun policing. All of this stuff has - Californian progressivism - become wildly unpopular, and It is delusional to suggest that it is not partly responsible for the mass lurch right among young men and Latino men, almost as much as the economic stuff. It's unpopular not only in the US, but everywhere.

 

Preach it. As a POC (or whatever is the new term) these divided society and didnt bring any social change.

[Wonderland]

  

19 minutes ago, Anthinos said:

It's funny but this US election and its result has somehow made me more optimistic. I was really depressed in 2016. Now I'm optimistic and combative. I have the feeling that this election and the victories of the right in Europe were the wake-up call we all needed. Here in Germany, too, a lot is happening in the progressive ranks at the moment. I am proud to be a Progressive and I will not be intimidated by the far right.

I also think if the projected senate and house margins hold, a number of Republicans will be walking a tightrope with reelection looming in 2026 (Swing district house Republicans if the majority remains slim, Susan Collins in Maine, Thom Tillis in North Carolina and, if the agenda gets really unpopular, some of the weaker polling midwestern seats like Ernst and the Ohio special now that Vance is out - maybe a Sherrod comeback? ) which will at least help to slow some of the most extreme of the agenda. I still think a lot can get through (especially re: senate confirmations etc.); however they often struggled to get legislation across the line during Trump's first 2 years with a larger house margin so there has to be some consolation there (even if the party is more "MAGA-fied" this time around).

[LegaMyth]

I honestly feel ready for whatever comes. I'm so happy that this is over. I will simply ignore media for some time.

[blaggot]

all I can think about is the potential of what could happen when you ban p*rn, tell hoards of young men that they have the right to a woman's body, AND ban abortion. my ****ing god it gives me chills.

[Cruel Summer]

14 minutes ago, Bloo said:

I largely agree. My main pushback is we need to stop saying "wokeism". One, the term pisses me off as a Black person; this term was made for and by Black people and has been appropriated into a terrible dogwhistle that can mean anything and nothing at the same time. Two, we have to stop ceding ground to right wing framing. If Republicans call you a socialist for advocating for higher wages, just look at them and ask them why they're against higher wages. An insult is only as powerful as you make it out to be. We can't let words like "woke" or "socialist" have any value, similar to how the right made "racist" and "Nazi" mean nothing. 

And also this makes total sense 

 

With some of the perspectives coming together in just this thread, in our little tiny microcosm, I truly believe the broader left wing is capable of seeing the same things and putting the licture together, too. 

[Lightbringer007]

41 minutes ago, Anthinos said:

It's funny but this US election and its result has somehow made me more optimistic. I was really depressed in 2016. Now I'm optimistic and combative. I have the feeling that this election and the victories of the right in Europe were the wake-up call we all needed. Here in Germany, too, a lot is happening in the progressive ranks at the moment. I am proud to be a Progressive and I will not be intimidated by the far right.

this^

 

while its so grim rn, there always has to be solution to everything