news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[Ghiles]

7 minutes ago, KylieistBoi said:

+ not all votes are counted yet. 54% of votes are counted for California for example, which is about 10,5 million votes so far.  The other 46% would make nearly 9 million I guess? 

 

I think when all is said and done this 15 million lost Democrats story will vanish

Pretty sure what you're seeing (71m/67m) are projections of the final counts already

[Gottasadae]

10 minutes ago, FameFatale said:

 

It doesn't matter anymore, Trump will sold Ukraine to Putin on silver plate  Also, I bet Putin will teach him how to re-write Constitution and reset his terms  

[anastaciabby]

From the Detroit free press:

"Harris's struggles in Michigan and across the country were inevitable, said David Dulio, a professor of political science at Oakland University.

"I think this election was about the economy and more specifically inflation," he said. "I think immigration was a big factor and I think abortion was less of an issue than maybe we were led to believe."

Dulio said issues like transgender rights may have mattered at the margins and the war in Gaza was a factor with Arab American voters. Trump visited Dearborn seeking votes there and he got them, winning the traditionally Democratic stronghold with Green Party Candidate Jill Stein likely siphoning votes from Harris.

"I think that it is largely a protest vote over the Biden administration's policy toward Israel and the war in Gaza," Dulio said. "I think I even saw some anecdotes from some voters that laid that out specifically that they don't want Trump, but they're not voting for Harris."

Longtime Detroit-area political consultant Mario Morrow Sr., a Democrat, agreed the economy was pivotal for voters and said voters blamed her for things they didn't like about Biden.

"I think that the Biden baggage weighed extremely heavy on the Vice President," Morrow said. "The spin was Harris and Biden's administration. All of a sudden, it became her administration."

The economy likely drove Trump's gains among young men including minorities. Morrow said other factors unique to Harris also may have hurt her.

"I think sexism and racism played a large part," he said. "The Republicans, in my opinion, felt they didn't feel comfortable with a woman number one, and a black woman number two, being the commander in chief."

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/06/trump-kamala-harris-michigan-how/76087793007/

 

Everyone arguing when it's a combination of everyrhing we've been saying.

 

People are so ignorant during these times and being vindictive didn't help matters.

Arab voters in PA voted for trump knowing what he said about wiping Gaza, Latinos voted in droves knowing they would be losing half their friends and family.

It's a very ****** up world right now, and being divided is what did us in

 

Edited November 6 by anastaciabby

[MonsterJohn]

Isn't Bernie independent, can he form a new party? I mean he needs someone to be the nominee but people would rally behind him I hope

[RihRihGirrrl]

1 minute ago, Azulito said:

The thing is... Republicans do that already. Kamala ran a platform on not changing anything and they still said she wanted to raise taxes. Instead of trying to convince people that were never going to vote for a Democrat, they need to start running on a platform that excites their own base.

Oh I know but the disinformation will be on steroids because we know the media will fall into the 'how will you pay for it, how much will you raise taxes' narrative.......again, I think it's the right direction but we just need to hunker down and be very clear about how we covet these policies within a winning message and comm plan. 

[GhostBox]

 

like  **** this country 

[EnigmaticAndroid]

14 minutes ago, Mezter said:

I fear we'll have no choice but to be just as nasty as conservatives from here on out. There's literally no other way 

The "let's be PC about this and find a middle!" tactic has never made much sense to me. We need to let them have iT for the next 4 years and go on the biggest "We told you so" campaign of the millennium. 

 

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

I think one of the worst part about Trump second term is that now more average American people will know who the f*ck Nick Fuentes and Charlie Kirk are

 

[lgaga1fan]

Honestly…. yeah this is ******* horrible idek what to make of this still 

[Communion]

1 minute ago, FameFatale said:

And also on the Charlie Kirk college point. He always followed up with the college students too. They had voter registrations ready to go right there and had a huge ballot chasing team for the colleges. They kept records and called and text them to get ballots in. 

This was basically the infrastructure the Bernie Sanders campaign was trying to build from 2016-2020 and then which basically vanished overnight, especially when, despite Biden taking Sanders on as a surrogate who he'd give his ear to, the Biden campaign + DNC basically told the entire Berniesphere apparatus "lol, no thanks, we got it". 

[psychodiva336]

7 minutes ago, heckinglovato said:

He was invited & went to have dinner with Trump at Mar-a-pago last year I think 

Thanks for the info. What a nasty person... 

[Vespertine]

8 minutes ago, Princess Aurora said:

I mean, don't Democrats already protect this stuff? I thought Republicans were against all the policies they voted for.

Democrats did nothing to protect abortion access anywhere even after it became increasingly clear it was in danger (as the SC flipped conservative). It has always been a carrot to dangle in voters' faces -- "you MUST vote for us or abortion access could be threatened!"

 

8 Democrats joined Republicans a few years ago to stop a federal minimum wage increase. 

 

Kamala was being called Copmala only a few years ago... enough said.

[lgaga1fan]

I'm more so shocked that other people are shocked at the ******* typhoon of alt right young men voting. I knew that would be the demo that secured Trumps win but it feels horrible for it to become a reality. 

[skwonderfactory]

There is certainly a eerie and empty vibe in the air today. I decided to go on a walk since I'm taking a mental health day off and yeah…..

[Rotunda]

3 minutes ago, MonsterJohn said:

Isn't Bernie independent, can he form a new party? I mean he needs someone to be the nominee but people would rally behind him I hope

Anybody can form any party at any time (see: Andrew Yang's BS). I do think there is room for a new kind of progressive movement to take shape, I just don't know what that would look like or who will drive it.

[KylieistBoi]

5 minutes ago, nadiamendell said:

Can we all agree that the people who all dropped out of the 2020 Democratic Primaries to get behind ancient Biden (who will go down as one of the weakest presidents in our lifetimes) to prevent Bernie from rising should be banned from running in 2028? Please and thank you? 

Lol are you kidding? That would be something smart. Dems are not known to do smart things to win elections. I've already seen at least 15 different posts that were implying how Pete Buttigieg would make a great candidate for 2028

[KylieistBoi]

5 minutes ago, Ghiles said:

Pretty sure what you're seeing (71m/67m) are projections of the final counts already

Ah, ok. I thought that was the current number  Then it is a disaster. 

[St. Charles]

1 minute ago, Ghiles said:

Pretty sure what you're seeing (71m/67m) are projections of the final counts already

I don't think so? That's not what I see on AP.

[wastedpotential]

I haven't caught up yet (still getting through posts from five hours ago ddd) but I'd just like to add a thought that struck me. Trump's "you will vote for me and then never have to vote again" comment is weighing on me, because he's fully in a position to pull that off.

 

We'll probably get a relatively free and fair midterm because they've seen this success and will feel confident, but if that doesn't go especially for the Republicans (and given the ramifications of the current proposals, I'm doubtful it will [which is why I actually think Ossoff has a measure of job security, but I digress]), but by 2028 and especially into the 2030s, we'll be seeing... mid 2000s Russia-style elections, which I recommend looking into (eg. the ballot box burning in WA-3 was really just the first step). It'll be 8 years of JDiva and then God King Barron will be old enough to govern, and that'll be that. There's a lot of research done into illiberal elections, and they're a lot of fun!

 

 

Edited November 6 by wastedpotential

[Rotunda]

Just now, KylieistBoi said:

Lol are you kidding? That would be something smart. Dems are not known to do smart things to win elections. I've already seen at least 15 different posts that were implying how Pete Buttigieg would make a great candidate for 2028

Tbf Pete is probably the only person who ran in 2020 that has even a chance at being taken seriously in another primary. 
 

The others feel like a complete impossibility. 

[Ger]

5 minutes ago, KylieistBoi said:

+ not all votes are counted yet. 54% of votes are counted for California for example, which is about 10,5 million votes so far.  The other 46% would make nearly 9 million I guess? 

 

I think when all is said and done this 15 million lost Democrats story will vanish

This, every time I see the comparison of the numbers so far vs final 2020 numbers makes me frustrated, it's just being obtuse trying to create a false claim. Looking for the states that still have a significant % to report, there might be around 14M of votes that haven't yet been counted, which in fact, it should give Trump being above 77M, meaning he made a 3M+ gain. Democrats might have lost 5M of the votes obtained in 2020.

[family.guy123]

4 minutes ago, anastaciabby said:

From the Detroit free press:

"Harris's struggles in Michigan and across the country were inevitable, said David Dulio, a professor of political science at Oakland University.

"I think this election was about the economy and more specifically inflation," he said. "I think immigration was a big factor and I think abortion was less of an issue than maybe we were led to believe."

Dulio said issues like transgender rights may have mattered at the margins and the war in Gaza was a factor with Arab American voters. Trump visited Dearborn seeking votes there and he got them, winning the traditionally Democratic stronghold with Green Party Candidate Jill Stein likely siphoning votes from Harris.

"I think that it is largely a protest vote over the Biden administration's policy toward Israel and the war in Gaza," Dulio said. "I think I even saw some anecdotes from some voters that laid that out specifically that they don't want Trump, but they're not voting for Harris."

Longtime Detroit-area political consultant Mario Morrow Sr., a Democrat, agreed the economy was pivotal for voters and said voters blamed her for things they didn't like about Biden.

"I think that the Biden baggage weighed extremely heavy on the Vice President," Morrow said. "The spin was Harris and Biden's administration. All of a sudden, it became her administration."

The economy likely drove Trump's gains among young men including minorities. Morrow said other factors unique to Harris also may have hurt her.

"I think sexism and racism played a large part," he said. "The Republicans, in my opinion, felt they didn't feel comfortable with a woman number one, and a black woman number two, being the commander in chief."

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/06/trump-kamala-harris-michigan-how/76087793007/

Everyone arguing when it's a combination of everyrhing we've been saying.

People are so ignorant during these times and being vindictive didn't help matters.

Arab voters in PA voted for trump knowing what he said about wiping Gaza, Latinos voted in droves knowing they would be losing half their friends and family.

It's a very ****** up world right now, and being divided is what did us in

 

Can someone explain why it keeps being pointed out that Trump won Dearborn? Aren't electoral college votes based on county results, which in Dearborn's case was won by democrats? If Kamala had won Dearborn, what would be the difference?

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

 

[MP3]

9 hours ago, WildAmerican said:

well sis you got out asses and you were right the last few days. Curious what you saw that made you seem so confident in his victory. It truly looked like it was gonna be closer.

I only did simple math

 

In the 2020 election, when Biden and the Democrats were at their peaks, they won the swing states by those margins:

 

North Carolina (won by Trump in 2020)

Georgia +0.24%

Arizona +0.31%

Wisconsin +0.63%

Pennsylvania +1.16%

Nevada +2.39%

Michigan +2.78%

 

Biden got 51.3% of the popular vote in 2020 while Trump got 46.8%

In 2024, the average polls gave around 48% for Trump and 49% for Kamala, which is +1.2% higher than 2020 for Trump and -2.3% for the Democrats.

If you apply those increased points for Trump and decreased points for Kamala, Trump win all of the swing states. Even more when you know that Trump's vote are underestimated

 

That's how I was so confident with the fact that Trumps would win ALL the swing states

[Princess Aurora]

2 minutes ago, Vespertine said:

Democrats did nothing to protect abortion access anywhere even after it became increasingly clear it was in danger (as the SC flipped conservative). It has always been a carrot to dangle in voters' faces -- "you MUST vote for us or abortion access could be threatened!"

 

8 Democrats joined Republicans a few years ago to stop a federal minimum wage increase. 

 

Kamala was being called Copmala only a few years ago... enough said.

Oh wow, well done. No wonder why people didn't vote for them this year