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[FameFatale]

I can't at my coworkers at lunch were talking about they voted to secure the border and send back "illegals" doing crimes when immigrants make up maybe .001% of the city and it's younger Gen Z kids doing the shooting and looting.

[anastaciabby]

Just now, ClashAndBurn said:

Supporting Vance? My lord, one would have to have zero reading compression skills if they truly think that I support JD Vance.  

 

I HATE him, but I'm coming to the realization that actually, ATRL was just out of touch all along. If JD Vance was toxic to Trump, the votes wouldn't have been what they were.

 

Trump won the POPULAR VOTE. By definition, WE, as in all of us on ATRL who laughed at the couch jokes, are extremely out of touch with the electorate and took a big fat L as a result. And underestimating JD Vance could be a huge mistake in 2028.

Vance never mattered, why do you think people made fun of the VP debate? nobody truly cared about him, they just wanted someone that wouldn't certify the election if Trump lost, you're the one trying to find some redeemable quality in him then get upset when you get called out for something you literally typed

 

you said I have a problem that doesn't help the Democratic party, but finding things that are redeemable in these people isn't helping either

[Adrian14]

20 minutes ago, YellowRibbon said:

¡No sé quién es, pero conviértalo en candidato en 2028!

 

 

definitely
 

[FameFatale]

2 minutes ago, Armani? said:

But what's the plan though? It's logistically a hot mess

If I remember correctly he said he'd use the military and round people up whether they want to leave or not. 

[Rep2000]

10 minutes ago, Thuggin said:

People saying before that this election could be the end of the Republican Party as we know it when it's looking like the end of the Democratic Party

 

 

The only hope I have is that this creates intense, unified backlash to make either the Democratic Party or some other party stronger than ever before to wipe out Republicans in 2026 or 2028. People need to experience the danger of Trump's presidency without anyone to temper his worst impulses I suppose.

It was. If Republican lost this time, at least the GOP could have rejected Trumpism. With this blowout result, it's now the complete opposite. His MAGAs have swallowed the GOP whole and is now 1 and the same entity. Which means even the Republican Speaker right now is not extreme enough to Maga standards. The party is now fully belong to the most unhinged Magas you could think of.

Edited November 6 by Rep2000

[Vespertine]

1 minute ago, Relampago. said:

I mean, sure? 

 

There's just not a lot pointing at this being the issue that would have saved the democrats. Anecdotes are great, but they don't provide anything useful.

 

I think it would have been a good idea to move left on Palestine so Harris could have shown difference between Trump/Biden, but it wouldn't have changed anything.

Okay, but you just said "no one gaf" lol. Of course plenty of people cared.

 

In elections that can sometimes be decided by only thousands of votes in swing states, any issue can change the outcome if that issue gets another 100k voters to decide to vote instead of staying at home. It seems very shortsighted not to recognize that. 

[anastaciabby]

5 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

I mean, sure? 

 

There's just not a lot pointing at this being the issue that would have saved the democrats. Anecdotes are great, but they don't provide anything useful.

 

I think it would have been a good idea to move left on Palestine so Harris could have shown difference between Trump/Biden, but it wouldn't have changed anything.

thank you for saying what I wanted to say, I haven't slept at all since the results here in Texas so replying to some obtuse people while sleep deprived isn't the best

[shelven]

6 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

Ya get what ya vote for 🤷

 

 

This is an incredibly callous response considering the people most directly affected by this - the actual illegal immigrants who will be deported - literally cannot vote. They're not "getting what they voted for."
 

The ones who did vote for it are the ones celebrating it and are excited for it to happen (at least until they learn how many people in their neighbourhoods and workplaces are actually illegal immigrants that they didn't know about). 

[Relampago.]

I mean this is kinda rock bottom, but if Trump actually accomplishes everything he wants to— is that going to bode well for Republicans? 

 

If he actually pulls everything off and it kinda works… what then? Is it so bad people turn away from him or is it good he accomplished what he said he would and now people love republicans even more?

 

 

[Thuggin]

We just have to recognize that the zoomers who are progressive and care about Gaza are vastly vastly outnumbered by toxic bro culture zoomers who want to cause misery and suffering for all the groups they dislike. Most countries around the world are experiencing this same rise in far right sentiment among young men. Young men swung 30 points to Trump from 2020 and even young women swung right to Trump. Abortion didn't mean **** to them. Most women hate other women too tbh.

[GhostBox]

1 minute ago, shelven said:

This is an incredibly callous response considering the people most directly affected by this - the actual illegal immigrants who will be deported - literally cannot vote. They're not "getting what they voted for."
 

The ones who did vote for it are the ones celebrating it and are excited for it to happen (at least until they learn how many people in their neighbourhoods and workplaces are actually illegal immigrants that they didn't know about). 

I've come to the conclusion that everything bad that has been promised needs to happen to wake up this country. 
 

every country has had to face a moment like this before. Now  it seems our time is now. 💀

[on the line]

1 minute ago, shelven said:

This is an incredibly callous response considering the people most directly affected by this - the actual illegal immigrants who will be deported - literally cannot vote. They're not "getting what they voted for."
 

The ones who did vote for it are the ones celebrating it and are excited for it to happen (at least until they learn how many people in their neighbourhoods and workplaces are actually illegal immigrants that they didn't know about). 

So you didn't see the interviews with said illegal immigrants who said they would have voted for Trump if they could vote then?

[Pop Art]

Here are some of my thoughts on why she lost. I know there's more, and we'll know more in the coming days/weeks, but this what's been brewing in my head for the morning. I'm also trying to view this through the lens of the average person, because there's whole other slew of reasonings you could argue why she lost more of the hard left's vote.

 

- The economy — specifically, the perception of it by the average person. Prices are high, and the average person very likely thinks they will go down under a Trump presidency because they were lower then and he's specifically promising it (with faulty reasoning, but that leads into the next point). From what I saw, Kamala's campaign didn't empathize enough about this and instead kept with the message that the economy is doing great right now, which is true depending how you look at it but which does nothing for those that are still suffering from high prices. Her proposed solutions also weren't hammered enough I believe, so there was a sense by many that she didn't have a good economic policy. This was heightened even more by her association with Biden, who is directly blamed for the current state of prices, whether it's true or not.

 

- Lies and mis/disinformation by the right being spread to an uneducated and/or ignorant electorate. The fact that simple facts and logic are seen as "partisan" is wild to me, but it's where we are. Just as an example, so many people believe Trump when he says he'll lower the price of goods by...raising tariffs.  It makes no sense if you know how tariffs work, but so many people don't and just believe him because they don't know any better. The lack of critical thinking and ability to question and engage with facts and reality has been fully exploited by one party, and it's not the left. It's no wonder that same party fights tooth and nail against increasing education. I sincerely think the lack of education by so many people had a significant impact here, along with other aspects of our society.

 

- A general feeling by many of "things were better under Trump." Correct or not, many people think this way and assign the reason for things being "better" then to Trump himself, assuming things will go back to how they were during that time period with him in office again.

 

- No primaries for the electorate to choose the Democratic candidate. There was a sense among some people that the will of the party wasn't properly measured since there were no primaries to see who the party really wanted as their candidate, and that instead Kamala was just given the platform. She still could have been the nominee even with the primaries, but that's not the point and we'll never really know anyways.

[Anthinos]

23 minutes ago, YellowRibbon said:

Don't know who this is but make him candidate in 2028!

 

 

Yes, this guy is very charismatic (and hot )! I am curious to see what will happen with the Democrats. The progressive forces of the Western world have to change and fight again. What I liked about Kamala is that she stood up for "Freedom". That sounds banal at first but can be an important point against the authoritarian right in the long term.

[Bears01]

I don't even care anymore, as sad as it is. 

 

The people get what they voted for, or didn't vote at all for. 
 

There is nothing anymore I can do 

[Relampago.]

3 minutes ago, Vespertine said:

Okay, but you just said "no one gaf" lol. Of course plenty of people cared.

 

In elections that can sometimes be decided by only thousands of votes in swing states, any issue can change the outcome if that issue gets another 100k voters to decide to vote instead of staying at home. It seems very shortsighted not to recognize that. 

Well sis, the truth is very few gaf. I'm pro-Palestine, but it's not a winning issue. People at large really do not care. 

 

Dems should continue to move left on Gaza simply to show differentiation, but it needs to be supplemented with some New Deal-level economy policy. That's really all we can do.

[ClashAndBurn]

6 minutes ago, anastaciabby said:

Vance never mattered, why do you think people made fun of the VP debate? nobody truly cared about him, they just wanted someone that wouldn't certify the election if Trump lost, you're the one trying to find some redeemable quality in him then get upset when you get called out for something you literally typed

 

you said I have a problem that doesn't help the Democratic party, but finding things that are redeemable in these people isn't helping either

The electorate found that JD Vance was redeemable enough that they would be okay with him being a heartbeat away from the presidency with the oldest president to ever take office.

 

You're seeking out demons where there are none. You're trying to make me out to be some secret MAGA stan when REALLY I'm trying to warn you.

 

If Josh Shapiro gets nominated to run against JD Vance, the Democrats will lose in an even bigger landslide than they just did last night.

Edited November 6 by ClashAndBurn

[storminthedark]

The loss of life as a consequence of him in office is just unthinkable to me. Ukraine and Palestine might as well be wiped off maps now because they will be in less than a year's time.

[Communion]

I don't think the backlash from Arabs and Muslims will have been a deciding factor when so many groups saw a backlash against Dems 

 

But exit polls out of large Arab and Muslim areas of the country show that the "what are you gonna do? Not vote for us?" taunt by Dems didn't work and work will need to be done to heal the hurt Harris and Biden caused. 

 

Towns in Michigan. Virigina. Even New Jersey. 

 

Andy Kim winning Passaic County even when Harris loses it with 2% going to Jill Stein. Kim out-running Harris in the county by 13 points as Harris looks to lose a previously D+15 County by 4 points. 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 6 by Communion

[Dera]

13 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

No one gaf about Palestine this election tho. 

 

I mean they should have done it for morality and vibes reasons, but it literally didn't even register in anyone's minds at all. A total non-issue.

what makes you say this?

 

the #1 discussion point on leftist social media regarding kamala was her administration's position on israel.

 

complicity with genocide was the #1 reason leftists online discouraged engagement with electoral politics this year.

 

even those of us with closeted lib energy saw the enthusiasm for the election sink among the "blue"/"left" world after kamala doubled down on supporting genocide. 

 

this election cycle we had democratic voter turnout depression, where the people that usually vote blue weren't passionate enough about this candidate to go out of their way to show up to vote.

 

whether [my county] should cease sending money to Israel in any way was on the ballots for my county

[mdnazn]

11 minutes ago, Armani? said:

But what's the plan though? It's logistically a hot mess

How are they going to identify them?

Confront them to show identification, rely on people to tattle?

 

Let's say you have millions identified?

How  is Trump planning to transport them to wherever they came from

Just bus them into Tijuana or Cuidad Juarez? 

 

I don't think this will ever come to fruition, or at least in its hoped full potential 

I  predict a couple hundred will get attained in some flashy PR campaign a la Nayib Bukele

With some vague "more to come" threat that never really materializes

 

 

 

Edited November 6 by mdnazn

[shelven]

4 minutes ago, on the line said:

So you didn't see the interviews with said illegal immigrants who said they would have voted for Trump if they could vote then?

Ah yes, let's tell an entire population whose lives are about to be destroyed that they deserve it because you saw a handful of individuals out of millions tell some interviewer that they would have voted for Trump. 
 

I know emotions are high right now, but come on, you're not even trying to be remotely logical about this. 

[mdnazn]

11 minutes ago, Armani? said:

But what's the plan though? It's logistically a hot mess

Double post.

 

Edited November 6 by mdnazn

[St. Charles]

2 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

I mean this is kinda rock bottom, but if Trump actually accomplishes everything he wants to— is that going to bode well for Republicans? 

 

If he actually pulls everything off and it kinda works… what then? Is it so bad people turn away from him or is it good he accomplished what he said he would and now people love republicans even more?

 

 

Right, that's why I'm kind of skeptical. It doesn't make sense really to pull the "Gotcha! We were gonna take your rights all along!" Because what happens after that? Lol. They just get voted out en masse and replaced? They would literally have to turn it into a monarchy, and I don't think there are as many Republicans as you might think who would want that. Not even Mike Pence cosigned Trump's bs on J6.

 

I'm not trying to cope, but I guess I'm not really in full panic mode. I think things will be tough, but recoverable.

[Ghiles]

Gen Z being MAGA Trumpsters is absolutely insane