anastaciabby Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Bloo said: Because some of us engage in politics nonstop and know this doesn't mean anything. How is she too liberal when voters are directly voting on direct ballot measures that are more progressive than Kamala? Make it make sense. "Liberal" does not mean anything. It can mean conservative to people like me and communist to others. Her being "too liberal" can best be understood as her being "too close to Biden" where Biden is understood as being a liberal. This has nothing to do with policy because Kamala ran on Trump's border wall and Trump's economic plan from 2020. that's not the point. and yes I know about politics, I studied it but the point is he has been building that rhetoric for years, it's been engraved in people. The Joe Rogans/podcasters/Fox networks of the u.s have been pushing this "them libs are too extreme" and people fall for it. Do you think Latinos cared about Palestine? when they voted against our own people? They could hear border wall like you said and they cheer for it, that's why Kamala also ran with it, because they've grown to be self hating over time thanks to the constant "all Mexicans are rapists and drug addict murderers " Far right ideology has brainwashed alot of people and judging by this thread, they have fallen pray to it. I know what Debbie and the DNC did back in the day, it's obvious what happened with the party, but you cannot say that leaning more liberal would've helped in this case, it wouldn't have at all. We aren't in a pre trump era anymore, it's been almost 10 years since then. We need to do something or move the **** on and we couldn't seem to do either even after having a dictator as a choice(even though he would've not been on the ticket if he was anyone else). The same people saying don't blame these third party people that have made waves online saying Kamala was awful are also still blaming the party because of what happened with Bernie, people need to grow up and get educated in America but that's not a possibility now 4 minutes ago, Communion said: The average voter thinks Biden and Harris' liberalism is defined by kicking poor people off Medicaid and letting veterans sleep out on the street so that Ukraine and Israel have bombs. Neoliberalism has died. No angry shouting you do can resuscitate her.
Chemist Posted November 6 Posted November 6 I'm actually somewhat thankful that Harris didn't run an anti-Israel campaign. She wouldn't have won anyway, and it would 100% be the scapegoat at this moment Richie Torrez and AIPAC are mute rn 1
Raver Posted November 6 Posted November 6 12 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: It also doesn't help he was going around wearing MAGA hats
Beyonnaise Posted November 6 Posted November 6 (edited) 16 minutes ago, khalyan said: It's sounding really familiar 2012 Republicans after losing the presidency "we need to move to the left to court undecideds" 2024 Democrats after losing the presidency "we need to move to the right to court undecideds" I think the key difference in this is that the GOP base was already moving in an anti-establishment direction with the Tea Party, so the top-down approach from fiscal conservatives like Paul Ryan to make the party more broadly appealing to minorities in a neoliberal way was never actually popular with the electorate, and all it took was Trump to swoop in and succeed doing the exact opposite. The Democratic base, whatever is left of it, is clearly more institutionally minded, and the establishment pretty much fully stomped out Bernie's populist fervor from the party after 2020, and I see little evidence there's a strong demand for it to reemerge or organization required for it. My biggest critique of the Democratic Party is that there's some truth to "Dems fall in love, Republicans fall in line." Every couple decades they become enamored with one charismatic politician — i.e. Kennedy, Clinton and Obama — and treat them like a god, search for clones of them and nominate their less exciting VPs just for the association. I think it's a particular issue right now with Obama because he's still young and could still do the job if not for the 22nd Amendment, and thus you have "rising stars" pushed by the establishment like Beto and Josh Shapiro literally mimicking his mannerisms. The DNC lacks the political imagination to find new kinds of candidates people will actually connect with. Edited November 6 by Beyonnaise 1 1
Katy V.! Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Democrats going full "why would the uneducated poor dirty dumb self-hating Latinos vote republican" and still not clicking Thankfully the Republican leadership is not smart because they could flip even CA if they keep growing Latino support.
ClashAndBurn Posted November 6 Posted November 6 7 minutes ago, khalyan said: Optimistically, Bernie did a ton of amazing work with the progressive movement and it showed in the 2018 midterms. Bernie's policies continue to remain popular in elections here. There is no reason that can't happen again with a new candidate. The candidate that was supposed to be the next rallying point was Fetterman, and he turned out to be a massive Zionazi flop that reneged on basically all of the aesthetics and policy alignments that made him seem even remotely promising when he was one of the only elected Democrats willing to endorse Bernie Sanders
Rosenda Posted November 6 Posted November 6 "Joe Biden is asleep, Kamala is at a dance party with Beyonce" made Trump win the Gen Z vote
FrederickGa Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Funny thing is, TRUMP recounted the Swing States right? I think the missing 10-15M are due to people showing up last 2020 due to COVID and BLM.. twas a Chaotic Year with super high energy from BLUE Side This year, they were probably like "i dont like any of the options, gotta sit this one out" 1 1
FameFatale Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Listening to Charlie Kirk this morning and his take and they really had a good ground game in college towns in swing states. He had a lot of surrogates for TPUSA that would go to colleges and have debates and rallies every weekend and post them all over tiktok. It created a lot of viral moments. They had a massive movement that seemed to stick on Gen Z. I didn't see much of that from the Harris team. Only so much BRAT tiktok fan cams could do 1
Redstreak Posted November 6 Posted November 6 3 minutes ago, FameFatale said: Steve Bannon said on his show this morning Project 2025 is real and they're working on putting it into motion. Nice knowing everyone! The burgeoning accelerationist in me is saying…. obviously I don't want things to get worse, but talking to people in a red state when I point out how bad things could get with his own stated policies I get told "he won't actually do that/it won't actually be that bad." We might just have to let the bottom fall out for a bit so enough people realize this isn't like voting for American Idol
St. Charles Posted November 6 Posted November 6 4 minutes ago, FameFatale said: Steve Bannon said on his show this morning Project 2025 is real and they're working on putting it into motion. Nice knowing everyone! My question is, why lie about it? What's the point of this 'surprise attack' and denying it? Not like shitty policies have ever stopped him before.
Gwendolyn Posted November 6 Posted November 6 (edited) I wish I was shocked; I'm simply not. My heart is with every single American minority right now and I hope we can get past these 4 years. If you are in Europe, please vote in your next general elections, or else we could get our Tr*mps: Farage in 2029, Le Pen in 2027, AfD in 2025 These are potential threats to all of us and need to be dealt with head-on, especially since Elon can meddle with our elections from now on. Edited November 6 by Gwendolyn 1
stevenisFADING Posted November 6 Posted November 6 4 minutes ago, Ponzi said: I feel so sorry for you guys and for the whole world tbh (I live in Chile). I won't say Americans are idiots, because such generalization would include so so many people that voted with hope and will be again victimized by this terrible man and his administration. My heart is with all of you. you can say it, babe. we are ******* idiots. I hate it here.
FameFatale Posted November 6 Posted November 6 4 minutes ago, Uncatena said: of course its real!!! did people not think it was? Yep! So many people ran with the "Trump said it's not his! It's not!!" and they didn't care because they said his name isn't on it.
Konril Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Well... They'll mobilize Project 2025. Good luck with that.
FrederickGa Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Katy V.! said: Democrats going full "why would the uneducated poor dirty dumb self-hating Latinos vote republican" and still not clicking Thankfully the Republican leadership is not smart because they could flip even CA if they keep growing Latino support. Why are Katy stans mostly Trumpsters? I'm seeing a pattern here guys.. plus no one is saying dirty dumb poor here 1
gagacasanova Posted November 6 Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, FameFatale said: Steve Bannon said on his show this morning Project 2025 is real and they're working on putting it into motion. Nice knowing everyone! Well being alive was fun while it lasted. Spoiler jk its hard out here for a *****
Illuminati Posted November 6 Posted November 6 10 minutes ago, Bloo said: I thought it was being reported that this election had a very big turnout
RunUpDoneUp Posted November 6 Posted November 6 3 minutes ago, 19SLAYty9 said: When republicans ban prep based on religious grounds I hope you get sick first You think a sexually active gay man should get sick? Because Biden rightfully called trump supporters trash? 1
ClashAndBurn Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Chemist said: I'm actually somewhat thankful that Harris didn't run an anti-Israel campaign. She wouldn't have won anyway, and it would 100% be the scapegoat at this moment Richie Torrez and AIPAC are mute rn I hate to be all "um, actually," buuuuuuut the takeaway is likely to be that she didn't do enough to distance herself from Gaza protesters The postmortems and infighting haven't even begun yet. But I guarantee that "she appeased antisemites by not picking Shapiro" is definitely floating around on the memos
FameFatale Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Redstreak said: The burgeoning accelerationist in me is saying…. obviously I don't want things to get worse, but talking to people in a red state when I point out how bad things could get with his own stated policies I get told "he won't actually do that/it won't actually be that bad." We might just have to let the bottom fall out for a bit so enough people realize this isn't like voting for American Idol I was talking to my friend about that this morning. All these people in red states will be hurt the most by the Project 2025 policies but CHEAP GAS!
Orsay Posted November 6 Posted November 6 19 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Joe Biden opened up more drilling than Trump and Kamala explicitly campaigned on expanding fracking. Climate change had zero importance to the outcome of this election. No, you're wrong this is a very skilled climatologist. You don't know even a quarter of what this guy knows about the climate. You have to be mitigating your own guilt to believe that Trump won't be worse for the climate than Harris 1
Bamboo Posted November 6 Posted November 6 I mean I think Biden is to blame also with a big but. Biden's public cognitive decline and refusal to drop out of the race hurt dems. It seemed like a big coverup. His delay in dropping out left no room for a primary to figure out what voters wanted. Reminder last primary in 2020, voters pretty openly rejected Biden until the Dems forced them to coalesce around him. BUT I think the bigger story here is just the repudiation of the Democratic Party and this administration at large. This wasn't a specifically Biden issue but it did not help.
anastaciabby Posted November 6 Posted November 6 6 minutes ago, harwee said: They should also ask themselves how many felt betrayed by how they treated Biden. The way they and their donors handled that just before he suspended his campaign was pretty nasty. there's people in this very thread saying she was too aligned with Biden but now she treated him badly? (not that I'm saying you're wrong, the ha ha look at old man Biden Internet wave that let Trump get away with everything but not him was a big factor)
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