Ms. Togekiss Posted November 6 Posted November 6 The Democratic Party needs to be rebuilt from scratch
Redstreak Posted November 6 Posted November 6 13 minutes ago, Harrier said: The turnout was never going to be as high as 2020. And yet his was 4
Joesuda Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Yeah, this result for me is not really a shock as after 2016 I knew anything was possible. Still it feels like the national environment was just unfavourable for dems, coupled with Biden shitting the bed, not making an open primary possible and the voters feeling like they are worse off. Maybe Kamala could have won with more populist, left-wing policies but my gut feeling is that the sentiment is just so anti-democrats that nothing would have saved them. However hopefully this means that we will be free of Trump in 2028 and currently trumpism without trump on the ballot has not been a winning electoral strategy.
Orsay Posted November 6 Posted November 6 4 minutes ago, HausOfPunk said: What I want to know is how Kamala underperformed with female voters after WEEKS of the media (and this thread) telling us how well she was doing. Did the women stay home? Or did they switch at the last minute? Or were the polls way off? (Looking at you Ann Selzer). Wtf happened? Yea. I'm sure it's been said already but Ann Selzer is ******* over and her career as a pollster is DONE. A total libtard.
Devin Posted November 6 Posted November 6 its ppl voting for trump and not even in the tax bracket hes supporting. i have to scream. 3
HausOfPunk Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Biden is going to go down in American history as a man who put his own ambitions ahead of the future of the country. Had he clearly said in 2023 that he was not going to run again (instead of holding on until the last ******* minute), the outcome may have been different. Thanks a lot Sleepy Joe. 2 9
Mr. Blue_Shirt Posted November 6 Posted November 6 3 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: If I were Bernie, I would have posted "I told you so" with the big ass font on all of my social media posts for the past 8 years Maybe I'm just petty like that 1
Harrier Posted November 6 Posted November 6 8 minutes ago, Communion said: This is just denying reality at this point. What investment to a neoliberal world order does someone whose not even American have...especially when it loses? The electoral composition is making it clear the electorate became whiter and ticher. Harris ran an explicitly anti-left campaign that purposefully ignored the base. And the base....stayed home. What takeaway do you think people should make from the bold? Are you gonna join your fellow reactionaries and blame pronouns? She did not do that... she ran a campaign that pissed off highly engaged leftists occasionally, sure she could have focused more on economic issues, sure. That probably made an impact. I remember posting that I agreed with Bernie when he said that But you have absolutely no evidence for this idea that not running leftist policies is what caused some 2020 voters to stay home. None. You are merely projecting your own views onto those non voters in an attempt to score political points against the libs. Even though the result across the board is screaming a lurch right and an embrace of Trumps policies by many, many voters who voted Biden -> Trump. Even though comparing the turnouts of a crisis election and a normal election is a dead end 3
Communion Posted November 6 Posted November 6 8 minutes ago, Harrier said: How is the secret progressivism of the 2024 American electorate going when California votes down a minimum wage increase? This is wishful thinking about a fundamentally right wing swinging election year I'm not saying that the dems shouldn't go left next cycle, I'm saying it wouldn't have mattered in this cycle. I will be with yall in '28 You mean the same California filled with affluent right wing Democrats who put neoliberalism before poor people's interests? Those same ones with oversized influence in the Democratic party? I wonder how running a right wing California Democrat for president would go, hmm.... 4
Armani? Posted November 6 Posted November 6 7 minutes ago, Mother Earth said: Elissa Slotkin having the most narrow lead ever right now in Michigan with 9K votes I fear we're not going to know who our Senator is for a while Shocked at the number of Trump/Slotkin split tickets this implies though Maybe from Muslims disgruntled with the Biden administration but not willing to go full R? Wasn't Elissa announced as the winner?
Richie.Valdez Posted November 6 Posted November 6 4 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: The US seemed to be leaning progressive on lots of issues in the 2010s… Indeed... or they were more open to dialogue at least. But the conservative demographics that were being open to dialogue were turned off when they started to feel like they had to fall in line and comply with certain issues or else they'd get "cancelled". Conservative folks cannot be forced by social pressure... at much they can just stay quite to avoid "drama" but they will make themselves heard in the polls. 2
Fama Posted November 6 Posted November 6 3 minutes ago, RoseBud said: You are battling Fox news and Elon's Twitter among others. They repeat their talking points like a machine gun 24/7 and the smoothed brained will take it in. They will regurgitate the brain washing but not even understand it. It's what dictators do using State sources. I expect more of this on an increasing level to try and hide what they will be doing. We need Twitter to tank but everyone keeps using it. 1
Album Leak Posted November 6 Posted November 6 5 minutes ago, WokeEqualist said: Far-right is on the rise in Europe sis It's very true, Europe is no safe haven for sure. But our most far-right party in my European country would've still preferred Kamala as the president over Trump according to polls.
ClashAndBurn Posted November 6 Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said: The next Democratic primary will basically decide whether the party survives. I hope we know what we're doing by then, because if the last several cycles are anything to go by… I think the 2026 midterms will be determinative before then. If Republicans are able to hold on to a trifecta, I think it can safely be assumed that the Democratic Party is dead and not recoverable, and 2028 is pretty much set in stone from there.
Mother Earth Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, HausOfPunk said: Biden is going to go down in American history as a man who put his own ambitions ahead of the future of the country. Had he clearly said in 2023 that he was not going to run again (instead of holding on until the last ******* minute), the outcome may have been different. Thanks a lot Sleepy Joe. Welcome back RBG
rzal Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Just now, Fama said: We need Twitter to tank but everyone keeps using it. Tiktok is way more popular and worse. Just an echo chamber for everyone
Harrier Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Communion said: You mean the same California filled with affluent right wing Democrats who put neoliberalism before poor people's interests? Those same ones with oversized influence in the Democratic party? I wonder how running a right wing California Democrat for president would go, hmm.... ...And the same California that voted for Bernie Sanders by an overwhelming margin in the 2020 democratic primary. Red wave election. Not that hard to understand yall. Everybody lost 1 1
Mother Earth Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Armani? said: Wasn't Elissa announced as the winner? AP/NYT haven't called it yet. I think it looks cautiously good for her though because a lot of the vote left is from Kalamazoo
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted November 6 ATRL Moderator Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Harrier said: She did not do that... she ran a campaign that pissed off highly engaged leftists occasionally, sure You can't be serious. She couldn't even let a pro-Harris Palestinian delegate give a speech at the DNC. She made a very intentional choice to give up the Arab American vote thinking the Liz Cheney voters (both of them) made for a better strategy and she lost. The Leftists were the ones saying that Gaza was a giant issue, especially in states like Michigan. 6 6
Communion Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Just now, Harrier said: She did not do that.. -> *adopted Trump's economic policies* -> *adopted Trump's immigration policies* -> *adopted Trump's foreign policy* -> *adopted Trump's environmental policies* -> *still loses to Donald Trump* She ran a campaign that was hollowed liberal populism at best and tried to co-opt right wing nativism at its worst. I'm sorry but any denial by centrists can't be left alone. Voters in fact did not want a black female version of Trump. 15M voters stayed home versus 2020 when shown the options as being "100% Hitler vs 99% Hitler". Why? 3 4
Virgos Groove Posted November 6 Posted November 6 (edited) This is really not the biggest issue rn, but I'm not ready for what a 2nd Trump term will do to popular culture and the media landscape. Colbert and Oliver's Resist-Lib-ism turned up to 11, cringy songs like Commander in Chief, constant hot takes by celebs, a return of "progressive pop"... I shudder just thinking about it. Edited November 6 by Virgos Groove 4 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted November 6 ATRL Moderator Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Harrier said: Red wave election. Not that hard to understand yall. Everybody lost ... because the Biden administration is deeply unpopular and the Democrats didn't pivot away from it. Not hard to understand, babe. 5 2
Devin Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, aquababy said: when trump deports them & stops overtime pay.
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