news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[superglowy]

1 minute ago, khalyan said:

If Trump was dead or in jail, Nikki Haley would be president right now. 

Strongly disagree. Republicans will choose an Unqualified man over a Qualified woman. 

[Pavement Princess]

I think so much of this is a clear reflection that identity is still such a strong deciding factor in politics despite us trying to pretend it isn't. Especially as self interested and selfish this country is, they may not outwardly express hate for minorities or inclusivity but Kamala being a black woman definitely made white middle America uncomfortable along with the ongoing discussion around LGBT and trans rights and they voted for what more closely aligns with their own identities.

[Pikachoo]

the one good outcome of this election was the return of this iconic gif from 2020

 

[Azulito]

31 minutes ago, Capris Groove said:

Of course. I feel like the internet since 2014 has convinced people that all POC are left-leaning and will vote accordingly.

 

Newsflash: they're not! I've lived in Mexico, it's a highly conservative country and its men are as sexist, homophobic, and (believe this) racist as any deep south state, if not more.

Yeah, this is also an issue. It's really time to leave identity politics behind and just run on policies that benefit everyone. 

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

15 MILLION PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR BIDEN DIDN'T SHOW UP TO VOTE FOR HER - that is the problem

Losing to the couch instead of losing to 3rd parties kind of proves leftists right, especially when seeimg the electorate this cycle is richer and whiter than before. 

 

Trump won people making under $50k but largely because turnout suggests huge portions of poor people stayed home. 

 

Why didn't making this election about rural Middle class economic anxieties vs suburban middle class cultural anxieties work out for Dems 

Edited November 6 by Communion

[Gaia]

The problem with the Democratic Party is a lack of charismatic candidates. Everytime there was a rally I could listen to Barack and Michelle speeches in their entirety and still think "wow they're so captivating"

 

I have not, this entire campaign, listened to a Kamala Harris speech in its entirety. I sort of skip around to what seems like the non word salad and then it's the same talking points every speech. 
 

At the end of the day, I'd love to blame dumb single issue voter leftists but the issue lies in the lack of charisma from Kamala. Her desire to be a docile people pleaser to get as many moderates as possible actually worked against her. There was no strong opinion on anything other than abortion. 
 

Democrats need to already start prepping for 2028. They better have a viable and charismatic candidate READY or we will end up getting a Trump 2.0

 

And unfortunately there's also a time and place. It's not surprising that Trump's wins have been against women. He is the misogynist king and brings out the worst in a patriarchal society. We cannot ignore that just because it's morally superior. Unfortunately, too many voters would rather vote Trump than a woman as he has been a champion for toxic masculinity (which we have seen growing from Andrew Tate, etc.)

Edited November 6 by Gaia

[on the line]

4 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

No one is saying that explicitly, but if you think that didn't happen on a bigger scale, you're wrong.  15 MILLION PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR BIDEN DIDN'T SHOW UP TO VOTE FOR HER - that is the problem.  They'd rather Donald Trump be in power, they'd rather lose their rights than to vote for Kamala.  That's the real problem. 

Don't waste your time with posters who will never get it and were part of the problem. 

[superglowy]

1 minute ago, Lil Mistee said:

The way China is gonna invade Taiwan, Palestine is gonna be a literal crater and Ukraine will be a russian territory. 
 

okayyyy

But because Republicans are "openly evil" that makes it more okay than Democrats who are "also evil but pretend they're not".

 

Or something.

Edited November 6 by superglowy

[Lil Mistee]

3 minutes ago, FameFatale said:

What's sad is if/when he does screw up the economy or whatever he wants to do with his concepts of a plan his base will just blame it on everyone else put him. The white house could be burning while Trump holds the matches and they'd blame The Pope

They'll legit blame everyone but him. Closest they'll get is theyll say it was his cabinet peoples fault 

[Cesar]

6 minutes ago, Mike91 said:

Thankfully Trump is old af. His term for life might only be for 4 years.

 

So 2028 is still on.

 

the thing is this movement never started with trump, so it's not gonna end when trump dies. it'll continue on. this has been years in the making

[Pikachoo]

4 minutes ago, Mike91 said:

You sure about that?

 

if dems hold on to the house or at the very least it ends up 216-218 for R, at least the craziest bills like increased term limits will be blocked.

[Princess Aurora]

11 minutes ago, Cheers said:

 

My goodness….

WTF? 

[vale9001]

The intellectual far leftist on Twitter think they can turn american universities into pro islamic terrorism protests and then all america doesn't turn Red 

 

 

Also the male gen z Is now anti woke while the gen z girls during the core of the campaign were on a crucial war against the dangerous enemy of the Republic Blake Lively. Girls have priorities. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Fama]

19 minutes ago, Pepo said:

I blame social media, and the way far-right content and fake news are being promoted. Young (male) voters are indeed shifting to the right.

But is there anything we can do to change the course, or are we stuck in a downward spiral that will only end with something massive and devastating, like a world war?

[Hex]

5 minutes ago, Azulito said:

The US is an extremely individualistic society. It doesn't help that most people live isolated in the suburbs where their only interaction with people different than them are at work or in a grocery store. Nothing else matters outside of cheap gas, groceries, and housing to most people. When Congress is constantly sending money to foreign countries to fight wars but unable to help Americans afford rent, it's not hard to see why they'd want a change.

It's really sad how a car-centric, suburban hell-scape ruins humanity. Glad I have the privilege of living in NYC (where interestingly my cost of living is way less than it was in suburban florida)

[Khal]

Just now, Pavement Princess said:

I think so much of this is a clear reflection that identity is still such a strong deciding factor in politics despite us trying to pretend it isn't. Especially as self interested and selfish this country is, they may not outwardly express hate for minorities or inclusivity but Kamala being a black woman definitely made white middle America uncomfortable along with the ongoing discussion around LGBT and trans rights and they voted for what more closely aligns with their own identities.

Which is why the talk of Dems being too invested in "identity politics" annoys me so much. The other side is doing identity politics, just with different "identities" and it's working out for them!  

[nadiamendell]

 

 

[Chemist]

44 minutes ago, 45seconds said:

To lose? The situation we're facing here is that men of this Gen Z are conservative. The exit poll says that 40% of the entire electorate thought Kamala was too liberal. Could you imagine Bernie? It would be a massacre. 

but that's because 40% of the electorate is dumb as rocks and is irremediably brainwashed, and even if Kamala was as conservative as Liz Cheney, they would say the same.

Bernie obviously wouldn't work because he is already seen as very extreme. 

[Bethenny Frankel]

5 minutes ago, khalyan said:

2008, Obama overwhelmingly won and Democrats had the trifecta. 

2009, the Tea-Party movement started within the Republican Party in response. 

That tea-party movement was absorbed into the Republican Party, with all the key Republican figures adhering to the majority of that movement's beliefs. 

 

If Democrats follow the SAME blueprint.

 

2024, Republicans overwhelmingly win and have trifecta.

2025, a new movement within the Democratic Party is formed, very likely a mix of left-wing populism and more progressive policies. All Democrats need to do is absorb those views into their own party and can likely achieve the same results in the future as Republicans had yesterday. 

ok but are we even sure there will be future elections at this point, even if Dems get a more populist movement going? america is damaged beyond repair for decades because of what just happened.

 

[Lil Mistee]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

Losing to the couch instead of losing to 3rd parties kind of proves leftists right, especially when seeimg the electorate this cycle is richer and whiter than before. 

 

Trump won people making under $50k but largely because turnout suggests huge portions of poor people stayed home. 

 

Why didn't making this election about rural Middle class economic anxieties vs suburban middle class cultural anxieties work out for Dems 

I feel like we can both agree at the end of the day the main reason she lost is inflation. America is Uber capitalistic and when inflation happens they vote the incumbent out. That's why Trump lost in 2020 (and Covid), not because of anything else. This is a global ideal being seen everywhere. Electorates are reactionary, and everyone wants to spend less money. 

[Vespertine]

44 minutes ago, FameFatale said:

I know everyone is laughing at this because it seems crazy, but in reality this is truly showing America's shift. We went from NPR, true crime shows, and pop culture podcasts/media to this in a span of a few years. I listen to right-wing media to get a full circle view of everything and I can see how people get pulled in. I really worry about the next 4 years and the streams of misinformation that will come out. 

Sadly snowflake SJW'ed libs stuck in the 2010-2014 tumblr era can't see outside their own chosen media bubbles to understand this.

 

In the streaming age there is a huge amount of programming and counterprogramming to suit anyone's particular set of beliefs.   

[FameFatale]

Just now, Lil Mistee said:

They'll legit blame everyone but him. Closest they'll get is theyll say it was his cabinet peoples fault 

I don't even want to think who he'll have in his cabinet and advisors this time around. It's going to be bad. At least the first time he had a well balanced transition team who were in politics and knew how to do all that but now he's doing to have nut cases and big donors running stuff with zero pushback. God help us all. 

[Capris Groove]

Completely agree with the posters who are saying Dems should talk more bluntly now. Stop talking like a politician. The wishy-washy curated Michelle Obama/Hillary Clinton style of speaking has to go immediately, people don't want the BS. Sure the Joe Rogans and Candace Owens are smashing the podcast sphere right now, they talk spontaneously and in a very down to Earth way that people feel is authentic, politics be damned.

 

People gravitate to likability and relatibility first. It's our lizard brain. You could actually form a ton of people's opinions on things if they consider the person cool. That's what's worked for Trump.

Edited November 6 by Capris Groove

[ClashAndBurn]

Would also like to remind everyone that the guy who called Kamala the r word won the popular vote. Massively.

[Lil Mistee]

1 minute ago, nadiamendell said:

 

 

And again, she lost because of inflation