Princess Aurora Posted November 6 Posted November 6 3 minutes ago, Vermouth said: I'd be far more worried that Putin is now going to be handed the Donbass and Crimea by Trump ( who will claim he's a peacemaker). Come back for the rest of Ukraine in a few years having undermined it from within, and rebuilt his army. Moldova and Georgia (Caucasus) are next, then he can start nibbling at the Baltics and undermining the rest of Europe. Think Rhineland,Saarland, Austria, Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia, Memel, even before Poland in 1939. The bulwark against this has been NATO since 1949, and the ultimate bulwark for NATO was article 5 mutual assistance clause backed by the USA. If Trump is seen as weak on article 5 well we are off to the races and that ain't good. This 100%
MP3 Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, punisher said: just realised trump is old as hell he's gonna be sleepy trump in 2 years Not everyone reach that stage at 80 lol
Kool_Aid_King Posted November 6 Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, Jay07 said: It will but they will just keep losing. People don't want a discount republican party when they can vote for the real thing and when even the most center right policies are painted as "communist", "woke" and idiots buy it. If they call us communist anyway, we should give them communism. Maybe it will inspire some people. Pretty much. Their entire platform previously was "We're not like them." but that's clearly not working. Clear messaging and a promise of a brighter future is essential. Man, I was so optimistic due to the red wave in 2022 being a little splash, but now . I wonder what they're going to do. Harris ran a great campaign on paper in the 4 months she had with so many endorsements but it seems apparent they mean absolutely nothing. 2
greeneyedsoul Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Green said: It's already official without Michigan Trump 277 Kamala 224 Yeah, but Wisconsin was called just moments ago. Whatever, it's over.
Lose My Breath Posted November 6 Posted November 6 13 minutes ago, Mariano said: What happens with all the court cases now, especially the Jan 6th and the unsealed documents that he had stolen..!? I guess he will pardon himself for most of it, but wasn't there something that was out of his control too, that could get him in trouble without him being able to pardon himself? Or should I just forget about any of this, cuz nothing will come out of it? yes sis, forget about it 1
WildAmerican Posted November 6 Posted November 6 well its over obvs upsetting, but we've been through this before. Spoiler even tho it'll be worse the sun will rise today and life moves on girls.
Harrier Posted November 6 Posted November 6 8 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said: No idea how some of y'all are looking at the fact that nearly every minority demo and women all swung hard towards Trump and concluding that Dems lost by not pushing further left or because of their stance on Palestine . Clearly in the type of internet echo chambers that caused this result to be so shocking. 3rd parties, where that vote was supposedly going, didn't over perform whatsoever. Trump did. It's looking like he'll win all the battle grounds with over 50% of the vote. The problem is way deeper and scarier. Social media has done incredible damage to Dems and progressive positions. There is no precedent or game plan for internet misinformation and disinformation. These websites are run by private companies that prefer Republicans subtly or openly and foreign governments that are the enemy of the US. We are COOKED cooked. The Harris campaign correctly identified that the electorate was leaning far more right and tried to capture some of them. Truly terrified to see where we go from here. Yep, great takes here. The right wing has mastery over social media right now and I think the first war needs to be to do everything we can to take it back from them. It's dystopian what is happening 3
pride4jc1222 Posted November 6 Posted November 6 42 minutes ago, Calvin said: I still wonder how Obama won 365 electoral votes in 2008. How the support for democrats vanished so easily. Easy: W Bush destroyed the economy, almost to the point beyond repair.
FrederickGa Posted November 6 Posted November 6 20 minutes ago, Blankspace2010 said: The dems need to offer an actual alternative to conservatism or continue to decline into an abyss of irrelevance. The "extreme wokeism" is strengthening the "Trumpism" 1 1
Lose My Breath Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, MP3 said: Not everyone reach that stage at 80 lol Right, he's already like that now 2
ClashAndBurn Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, CaptainMusic said: I mean she will always be known as the first female vice president so that's something I guess Charles Curtis was the first nonwhite VP and he's… never mentioned… because the president he served under, Herbert Hoover, was about as reviled and hated as Joe Biden is. Kamala Harris being forgotten to the dustbin of history wouldn't be that far fetched of an idea 1
Velvet Night Posted November 6 Posted November 6 4 minutes ago, Harrier said: I'm just going to leave this here The US is fundamentally conservative country. Liberal is infinitely more damaging of a description than conservative, by default. Dems can only win by inserting themselves within the overton window of normality. Harris did not succeed in doing this despite her best efforts It seems like the US swung so hard to the right that Harris never had a chance to win. 1
anti-bitch Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Just now, Kool_Aid_King said: Pretty much. Their entire platform previously was "We're not like them." but that's clearly not working. Clear messaging and a promise of a brighter future is essential. Man, I was so optimistic due to the red wave in 2022 being a little splash, but now . I wonder what they're going to do. Harris ran a great campaign on paper in the 4 months she had with so many endorsements but it seems apparent they mean absolutely nothing. Biden should have dropped out earlier, and there should have been a proper Primary. That would have helped to figure out a path to beat Trump. But at least there will be a primary in 2028, lol. 2
Blankspace2010 Posted November 6 Posted November 6 (edited) 22 minutes ago, stevenisFADING said: The voters are to blame. Why should anyone have to convince you to NOT vote for the felon rapist? It's not criminal to fund a genocide? Under Biden war broke loose in Europe and Israel has eradicated Palestine and is currently occupying Lebanon. What don't you get!?? People don't view the Democratic Party as any better than Trump. They're viewed as evil and untrustworthy, so people are voting for the economy with Trump. It's that simple. Edited November 6 by Blankspace2010 5
Kool_Aid_King Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Just now, anti-***** said: Biden should have dropped out earlier, and there should have been a proper Primary. That would have helped to figure out a path to beat Trump. But at least there will be a primary in 2028, lol. That's legit the only thing I'm looking forward to.
Lose My Breath Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Velvet Night said: It seems like the US swung so hard to the right that Harris never had a chance to win. And these people in here think she should've been more leftist in her approach when that is very apparently NOT what America wants. 2 1
GraceRandolph Posted November 6 Posted November 6 3 minutes ago, Harrier said: Yep, great takes here. The right wing has mastery over social media right now and I think the first war needs to be to do everything we can to take it back from them. It's dystopian what is happening How did the left fall this far behind? We seemed on fairly even footing in the late 00s and early 10s?
Calvin Posted November 6 Posted November 6 (edited) Extremely RED which is a very bad sign By winnerLive forecastMargin by countyShift from 2020 Edited November 6 by Calvin
Ger Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Thus, the highlights for the states is: Florida's landslide, Trump overperforming in PA, and Harris underperforming big in New Jersey, New York and lowkey in Minnesota, too, I thought her lead there was going to be bigger. I am surprised, the race in Wisconsin was closer than in PA, I thought Harris counted more on the later, but I guess, that explains the huge amount of time campaigning there.
WildAmerican Posted November 6 Posted November 6 wait it's gonna be the same map as 2016 minus Nevada the postmortem will be fascinating. The country swung to the right in a HUGE way so a ton of our fellow citizens wanted this 1
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