Vermouth Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Harrier said: Yup. And this stuff was shocking to witness from other parts of the world where mask wearing etc was only not accepted by a fringe few. The individualism of the US is unmatched and fundamentally a politics that does not appeal to that will never succeed Agree. There is something very distinct about the pretty extreme individualism in the US. All countries have it to greater and lesser extents and as with most things a balance is needed. However, at least in my experience the US is well "out there". 1
Achilles. Posted November 6 Posted November 6 7 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said: Yet they support…Trump a billionaire and Elon the richest man in the world. The thing about the Republicans is that hate celebrities because most of them are liberal and hold cultural importance and influence, but they also desperately crave such importance and influence for themselves, which is why they CLING to any washed up D-list loser who gives them the time of day. 5
Harrier Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Just now, Chemist said: There will dozens of thinkpieces about who to blame but besides Biden not bowing out earlier (Biden should def have some accountability). I really just think is about Americans just prefering Trump over Kamala. That's it. Kamala underperformed democratic senators everywhere sometimes by a very large margin. What you are saying is true of course, but Kamala is more linked to Biden than those democratic senators. How much of her negative reputation is due to her own actions as opposed to being closely associated with a hated administration (within which as VP she didn't wield that much actual control)? I still think it is more logical to place the blame at Biden's feet morseo than hers 1
Popular Post Blade Runner Posted November 6 Popular Post Posted November 6 54 minutes ago, Nido said: I can't help but wonder if celebrity activism and endorsements even mean anything at this point if these big celebs like Taylor, Beyonce and Gaga can't do much to secure the country's democracy. Have we as a society become so oblivious to celebrity endorsements and the message of hope, that only extreme cult-like forces similar to the one behind Trump can guarantee a win? Some of y'all don't want to hear this because it lives totally outside your bubble, but Twitch/Kick streamers and podcasters are even bigger celebrities than "celebrities" nowadays. Gen Z being conservative + right winger is an indication of this. They follow what people like Logan Paul or Adin Ross have to say. 9 9
Vermouth Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Virgos Groove said: Kamala specifically downplayed the glass ceiling aspect. There was no "I'm with Her" this year and she even pivoted away when asked about being the first female president. Conservatives have female leaders before centrists and progressives because it's almost impossible to accuse them of being radicals and therefore drain their electorability. No one would accuse Thatcher of being a leftist. Meanwhile Kamala was campaigning with Liz Cheney and was still called "Comrade Harris" by the right. Yes, I agree I think she did downplay it more, but looking in from the outside I always get the impression it's more of a "thing".
rivers Posted November 6 Posted November 6 I deleted all my socials from my phone. I truly can't bare to see Trumpers celebrate especially people close to me. I can't believe "too big to rig" became reality
Green Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Wow and he won the popular vote too (and it wasn't even close). I'm speechless
superglowy Posted November 6 Posted November 6 2 hours ago, K.O said: Oddly enough I feel like the next president to come after Trump will be a WOMAN and say this because I predict that Trump will run this country into the ground so bad in fact that people will be wanting to vote in a woman to clean up the mess that he left behind. she's going to get glass cliffed. There will NEVER be another Democratic Female nominee in your lifetime. Never.
El Chico Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Blade Runner said: Some of y'all don't want to hear this because it lives totally outside your bubble, but Twitch/Kick streamers and podcasters are even bigger celebrities than "celebrities" nowadays. Gen Z being conservative + right winger is an indication of this. They follow what people like Logan Paul or Adin Ross have to say. I think this is a big part of why young men went so conservative this time around. THESE are the people that are influencing them sadly.
gagacasanova Posted November 6 Posted November 6 The fact that January 6, him being older than dust nor 34 convictions was not enough to stop him... we, as Americans, truly are the r word. 1
CroNich Posted November 6 Posted November 6 lol not the downvotes, sorry for trying to post some light-hearted shade in this very dark, depressing times 4
FrederickGa Posted November 6 Posted November 6 12 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said: Yet they support…Trump a billionaire and Elon the richest man in the world. They're blindsided if they have the same politics of course
ShouldersSideways Posted November 6 Posted November 6 (edited) 3 minutes ago, rivers said: I deleted all my socials from my phone. I truly can't bare to see Trumpers celebrate especially people close to me. I can't believe "too big to rig" became reality I was planning on going through and deleting all the Trumpsters on my social media, but was waiting until today so I could see their meltdowns. Became clear to me late last night it was going to be worse than meltdowns... I was going to see them celebrating. Cannot do four years of that, so I think I'm deleting them social media entirely, too. Edited November 6 by ShouldersSideways
Graves Posted November 6 Posted November 6 5 minutes ago, Chemist said: There will be dozens of thinkpieces about who's to blame but besides Biden not bowing out earlier (Biden should def have some accountability). I really just think it just comes down to Americans prefering Trump over Kamala. That's it. Kamala underperformed democratic senators everywhere sometimes by a very large margin. I genuinely don't think Harris was a good candidate at any point, 2020 or now. She just sort of fell upward into the vice presidency and then into this campaign by pure dumb luck, beyond any of her actual doing. 1
Redstreak Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Being in a red state so not like it matters but the democrats aren't getting another vote from me until they actually give us a candidate who isn't just a center right lib 1 5
Popular Post Achilles. Posted November 6 Popular Post Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Blade Runner said: Some of y'all don't want to hear this because it lives totally outside your bubble, but Twitch/Kick streamers and podcasters are even bigger celebrities than "celebrities" nowadays. Gen Z being conservative + right winger is an indication of this. They follow what people like Logan Paul or Adin Ross have to say. Yes. And I have no idea how Democrats are supposed to come back from this because their abysmal standing with (young) men isn't political, it's cultural. There is no candidate, campaign rhetoric, or policy position the Democrats could adapt that would break through the influence that Musk, Rogan, and all those abhorrent streamers and podcasters hold over men. 16 2
anastaciabby Posted November 6 Posted November 6 6 minutes ago, anti-***** said: Yeah, and also notice the backlash to gay and trans rights. The straight people are mad at us somehow, straight guys especially. Here in Texas it's insane, we were banning drag shows It's ignorance and pure hate that started after him. the way he was treated then and even now by Trump and his dumbass friends like Fox News is insane, the media brainwashed these empty headed people for YEARS about how bad immigrants were, how gay people are disgusting, how women should shut up and listen to their husbands. It was planned for a long time We as a nation also failed when we gave corporations more rights than people
Chemist Posted November 6 Posted November 6 3 minutes ago, Harrier said: What you are saying is true of course, but Kamala is more linked to Biden than those democratic senators. How much of her negative reputation is due to her own actions as opposed to being closely associated with a hated administration (within which as VP she didn't wield that much actual control)? I still think it is more logical to place the blame at Biden's feet morseo than hers The election was driven by men from all ethnicities and races vote for the same candidate like never before. I don't think it's because they disliked Biden but because they ADORE trump 1
GraceRandolph Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Vermillion said: Trump didn't even need the electoral college this time.
Green Posted November 6 Posted November 6 33 minutes ago, Chemist said: There will be dozens of thinkpieces about who's to blame but besides Biden not bowing out earlier (Biden should def have some accountability). I really just think it just comes down to Americans prefering Trump over Kamala. That's it. Kamala underperformed democratic senators everywhere sometimes by a very large margin. Yeah, because at least Hillary got the popular vote in 2016. Kamala couldn't even do that, she really underperformed.
FrederickGa Posted November 6 Posted November 6 5 minutes ago, Blade Runner said: Some of y'all don't want to hear this because it lives totally outside your bubble, but Twitch/Kick streamers and podcasters are even bigger celebrities than "celebrities" nowadays. Gen Z being conservative + right winger is an indication of this. They follow what people like Logan Paul or Adin Ross have to say. Probably because they follow them due to their politics? Not because of their talent? 1
Cloröx Posted November 6 Posted November 6 3 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Gaza was never going to be determinative for the election, but the worry was that it would cause enough people to sit it out in states where the margins were razor thin enough to be the difference, like perhaps in Michigan. Which, when the election is going to be a coin flip… isn't something you should want to risk. But, Israel was more important to Joe Biden than the election, and those voters were a worthy sacrifice for him to be willing to make. Every single vote is phucking matter, I have situation in my country that the MP won seat by three votes margin. Could flip the result if those who boycotted the election actually vote but people don't realize it until it's too late. Bigger lesson is do not attack those people instead address the reason behind their action and try to win back their support in the next election. But I see many democrats in here blaming them and it's definitely a fatal mistake because those people won't vote for Democrat ever again.
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