Sannie Posted October 15 Posted October 15 14 minutes ago, ZeroSuitBritney said: Yes I've very spiteful and vengeful against the party that's currently funding and arming a live streamed genocide against folks in my home country while instead of trying to reach out to us or reassure us of our concerns, the current nominee is tripling down on support for the genocide and would rather reach out to members of the opposite party after spending the past couple years demonizing them and shifting to similar conservative viewpoints on certain issues. You dumb dumbs need to understand that I don't give a damn who wins and who loses. As a Palestinian American, I lose either way. If Kamala loses, yes I'm going to gloat and laugh about how she loses what could have possibly been the easiest winnable election ever had she just not run the horrible campaign she is currently running. Cry more about it babes! As a Palestinian American, it obviously makes sense why you wouldn't want to vote for either party, but being gleeful about the prospect of a genocide of immigrants and trans people in this country just makes you a hypocrite. Why do we have to care about you and your family being genocided when you clearly wouldn't care about us in our families being genocided? It's giving "genocide for thee, but not for me". This kind of hypocritical, no-self-reflection thinking is exactly why you guys will never get what you want Electorally. 5 4
RihRihGirrrl Posted October 15 Posted October 15 5 minutes ago, dabunique said: release it then cabron, que tu esperas? smh Serving the sky is red 1
dabunique Posted October 15 Posted October 15 ma'am please 2 and 3 has always been true before this election can someone throw a chair at him again please 2
ZeroSuitBritney Posted October 15 Posted October 15 1 minute ago, Sannie said: As a Palestinian American, it obviously makes sense why you wouldn't want to vote for either party, but being gleeful about the prospect of a genocide of immigrants and trans people in this country just makes you a hypocrite. Why do we have to care about you and your family being genocided when you clearly wouldn't care about us in our families being genocided? It's giving "genocide for thee, but not for me". This kind of hypocritical, no-self-reflection thinking is exactly why you guys will never get what you want Electorally. What is this "you guys" and "your party" rhetoric you keep bringing up Sannie? I don't belong to a party lmao. Literally everything you said applies the other way around. "Why do we have to care about you and your family being genocided when you clearly wouldn't care about us in our families being genocided?" is the exact same question I could be asking you folks, no? So it seems we are at standstill. The only difference is morally, I decided to vote outside the two party system for a candidate who doesn't support a genocide or throwing under the bus of any people or group. But voting for Kamala is not doing that. It is still throwing one group under the bus and practically saying "sorry for you and your family but y'all need to be content with possibly being wiped off the planet" to protect democracy. That's why, to me, I don't really ******* care who wins. I know we've had disagreements in the past and we've also had mature conversations but I've never said and never will be gleeful about "the prospect of a genocide of immagrants and trans people". That is a nasty accusation. I WILL be gleeful about the loss of a candidate (whether Trump or Kamala) who don't care if my family in the West Bank is raided by Israeli settlers and taken hostage or if they are burned alive with a US funded bomb. Honestly wish they would both be a-worded before the election! 6
nadiamendell Posted October 15 Posted October 15 19 minutes ago, dabunique said: release it then cabron, que tu esperas? smh You forgot the best part : 1 1 5
bunnyeyes Posted October 15 Posted October 15 6 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: You forgot the best part : So-seasonal allergies? 1 7
Blade Posted October 15 Posted October 15 They should make a 39 minute ad of Trump standing there while the music plays 1 2
dabunique Posted October 15 Posted October 15 7 minutes ago, Vermillion said: of course and u have people jus chillin these flood waters ... i'm like gurl get out of there and head to dry ground smh 4
dabunique Posted October 15 Posted October 15 7 minutes ago, Vermillion said: and here we go don't phuckin try it Rhonda 1
Cosmonaut Posted October 15 Posted October 15 2 minutes ago, Sannie said: As a Palestinian American, it obviously makes sense why you wouldn't want to vote for either party, but being gleeful about the prospect of a genocide of immigrants and trans people in this country just makes you a hypocrite. Why do we have to care about you and your family being genocided when you clearly wouldn't care about us in our families being genocided? It's giving "genocide for thee, but not for me". This kind of hypocritical, no-self-reflection thinking is exactly why you guys will never get what you want Electorally. I appreciate everyone's discussion in this thread (I lurk a lot! Thank you all for keeping me informed!), but I do feel like you need to recognize that there's a difference between the actual genocide happening right now and funded by our tax dollars and the theoretical genocide you keep referring to if Trump comes to power. As a non-citizen in the US, I'm terrified—and I don't have a vote (but they love my tax dollars!). But we need critiques like those that Communion and ZeroSuitBritney offer, and we need a genuine progressive leftist movement to continue pushing for real change that the two major parties simply aren't offering, even if it seems electorally ineffective. I lean towards the harm reduction view, so if I had a vote, I'd probably cast it for Kamala and would have to grapple with what that means morally. But that's not everybody's philosophy, and I respect that many see voting as an ethical-symbolic act. And silencing the left doesn't get us anywhere except further into the neoliberal death spiral we're in. They're honestly the only check on the political parties we have, and yeah, it might not look like they're contributing positively to getting Kamala elected, which I can agree is my preference of the realistic options (otherwise, here for President De la Cruz), but leftists are so necessary precisely because they show us what the current political system (which dominates all of our consciousness and thinking) is missing, and what it can't or won't do. Most of the goals of the left will remain on the horizon, but they need to be kept in sight. So while I love lurking here, reading the news and the takes, etc... it's so exhausting to see the same argument about leftists tacitly contributing to the rise of Trump, because that's just... not true or in good faith. In short: we need the left, and we need people who hold Dems accountable, even if it's hard to hear or feels unproductive to you in this moment of seriously heightened stakes. In the grand scheme of things, I see it as incredibly productive, because it shifts the locus of what we talk about, what we find reasonable, and what is within the realm of imagination. 12
Vermillion Posted October 15 Posted October 15 @nadiamendell Apparently they did it because of two medical incidents is the excuse MAGA's giving, but 39 minutes? A reminder to everyone that Trump's ignored her estate's request to stop playing her from back in March Also, sidebar, she was on record as referring to him multiple times as a Satanist https://www.hotpress.com/music/trump-plays-sinead-oconnor-music-video-at-bizarre-pennsylvania-town-hall-event-23054466
Harrier Posted October 15 Posted October 15 11 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: You forgot the best part : Seasonal allergies being a deeply serious condition and a dangerous situation is sending me to hell djmxhxms this man is so unintentionally funny if only he wasn't the worst threat to global politics this century we could all enjoy her 9
Temporal Posted October 15 Posted October 15 3 minutes ago, Vermillion said: What is actually happening here? Does his team think he's far enough ahead that he doesn't need to risk his position anymore? 1 1
dabunique Posted October 15 Posted October 15 5 minutes ago, Vermillion said: i'm waiting to hear excuses from his sheep as to y he is not doin this? 2
FameFatale Posted October 15 Posted October 15 I just saw a MAGA girl's tiktok who went to the townhall last night and even she said the vibes were off because people kept getting sick and passing out because it was so hot in the building because apparently the AC wasn't working. She blamed the AC being turned off on the democrat deep state She said she was really worried about the people who passed out because they didn't look well and that's the reason he stopped answering question and played music for them. Just weird vibes all around 1 4
Vermillion Posted October 15 Posted October 15 4 minutes ago, Temporal said: What is actually happening here? Does his team think he's far enough ahead that he doesn't need to risk his position anymore? Sigh. It depends on who you ask, both of what pundits think his team is thinking and what his team is actually thinking. I can't stand framing everything through internal polling at this point because it's not picking up shy Kamala voters via Dobbs or other motivations for the tens of millions that don't normally vote for anyone or anything, candidate or referendum, etc. Sidebar to all of this is unpacking why the recent Republican internals were leaked. Averages, if we're going to use them, have them within the margin of error. The common wisdom among political observers is Kamala's going to flood the zone despite the risks and Trump's hoping his combination of dodging and drawing focus to some of Kamala's poorer interviews (i.e. Oprah) blur expectations and comparisons.
Recommended Posts