RihRihGirrrl Posted October 14 Posted October 14 The way Americans just easily fall for conspiracy theories is scary.....like how do you combat pure ignorance. Even when you correct them and tell them it's a flat out lie, they believe the lie. I had a conversation with a friend of mine yesterday who is in HR and otherwise pretty smart....she started talking to me about the Government keeping aid away from victims who need it in North Carolina. She used to live in NC and kept going on and on about how she could have been effected. I told her that was a lie and explained to her what FEMA is doing on the ground and the relief that's available....I even sent her articles about it and reputable sources calling it a lie. She told me she's been seeing it all over social media so she thinks that its credible.....she eventually conceded that it's not true It really makes me afraid of what's to come in the next few years when AI becomes completely uncontrollable and there's no way to knock some truth into people 4 3
dabunique Posted October 14 Posted October 14 I really need dat orange piece of mierda and dat couch phucker to go and make statements dat they r lying about FEMA FEMA agents have to stop tryin to aide people in Western NC cuz they r bein attacked by da same people they tryin to help 3
Virgos Groove Posted October 14 Posted October 14 (edited) So, that Jackson Hinkle/American "Communist" Party nonsense Elon keeps putting on my TL is definitely a CIA psyop, right? Like, it just has to be. Edited October 14 by Virgos Groove 1
FameFatale Posted October 14 Posted October 14 4 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said: So, that Jackson Hinkle/American "Communist" Party nonsense Elon keeps putting on my TL is definitely a CIA psyop, right? Like, it just has to be. I swear I keep seeing the same 2-3 right wing accounts that try to look "official" pushing crazy polling saying Trump is winning on my for you feed
Prodigal Self Posted October 14 Posted October 14 21 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said: The way Americans just easily fall for conspiracy theories is scary.....like how do you combat pure ignorance. Even when you correct them and tell them it's a flat out lie, they believe the lie. I had a conversation with a friend of mine yesterday who is in HR and otherwise pretty smart....she started talking to me about the Government keeping aid away from victims who need it in North Carolina. She used to live in NC and kept going on and on about how she could have been effected. I told her that was a lie and explained to her what FEMA is doing on the ground and the relief that's available....I even sent her articles about it and reputable sources calling it a lie. She told me she's been seeing it all over social media so she thinks that its credible.....she eventually conceded that it's not true It really makes me afraid of what's to come in the next few years when AI becomes completely uncontrollable and there's no way to knock some truth into people Right. Cause HR people are usually so smart!
FameFatale Posted October 14 Posted October 14 2 minutes ago, Prodigal Self said: Right. Cause HR people are usually so smart! My boss listens to Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder on his lunch breaks and he's such a smart person It's wild to me. 3
Armani? Posted October 14 Posted October 14 Them still using that Siena poll as a representation of 2024 Get that engagement I guess lol 1 1
Virgos Groove Posted October 14 Posted October 14 16 minutes ago, FameFatale said: I swear I keep seeing the same 2-3 right wing accounts that try to look "official" pushing crazy polling saying Trump is winning on my for you feed My FYP at this point is just: pop girl post communism post post calling queer people "bourgeois degenerates" beyoncé b'day bridge Germanophobic post Tony Benn stanning post "Ukrainians are all Nazis" post by some "Marxist" who's really into Alexander Dugin charli deep cut pro-Palestine content something to do with Elon Musk soccer mom content 4
Thuggin Posted October 14 Posted October 14 19 hours ago, Relampago. said: Here to drop a quick POV after canvassing again this weekend in AZ Let me caveat all of this by saying, I am just one person with one point of view out of many, but these are my true observations. I have to say, standing by and watching the bickering in here has made me realize… yes. A lot of you do seem somewhat out of touch with what's happening on the ground. Perhaps it's just the difference in the areas of where we live but I can affirm that the sentiments with the people I've been talking to are so far removed from the discussions happening in here. I think this thread is too deep in the weeds to really have a good view of what's going on. First, let me start off by saying, alot of people are very much voting out of fear. There is very little motivation outside of that. Both for Trump and Harris voters. Trump voters are scared about their income and the "rising crime" narrative. Harris voters are scared of the government corruption and bodily autonomy (even outside of abortion/IVF). BOTH are terrified of the level of division and hatred in this country. Second, I'd like to touch on the bipartisan comments because Harris has pushed for that a lot recently and it's a part of what we talk about to these voters. Let me say straight up: It's generally very well received. Not because either side actually cares to have the other side weigh in on decisions, but because again… division is a huge concern of theirs and they appreciate Harris reaching across the aisle. Maybe people here feel like that's not a good thing, but I only talked to one person out of maybe… 40-50 that had reservations about it. Third, these people just… do not care about the things that are constantly argued about in here, from Palestine to Medicare. In regards to Palestine, they are far more concerned about what's happening here in the US. This one older man said this that stuck with me: "Why do people make such a big deal about wars when there's a war brewing in this country?" in regards to Trump assassination attempts. Obviously pretty exaggerated, but a lot of people are way more concerned about the events unfolding here than what's happening across the world. They also have a lot of faith in their medical care honestly and are scared to lose it because they don't trust the government to run all of their medical care. There's a lot of education that needs to be done, because they support the concept but lack the trust in the government to give up the care they have now. And last… the polls honestly should just shut the **** up. I'm a bit fed up with them. They're honestly not giving any useful info and only continue to cause more division and fighting than what's necessary. Until they can figure out how to get more people to respond, all they're doing is polling the most partisan people who aren't exactly representative of the country at large. Also, when you see polls saying "55% of people support MASS DEPORTATION!"… I spoke to many people who agree with that but they don't understand the details or what that even means. Many assumed it would just be for criminals or gangs, not the 70 year old doña they live next to or the elotero their kids get snacks from every day. A lot of us here are way too informed to the point that we see data without consideration for who's answering these questions. Blue MAGA and MAGA are not the majority in this country, very, very, very far from it. I think this thread would do well to remember that going into election day. Come what may, but people need to stop making enemies because there is a real hope in this country regardless of who wins, it's the loud, uncompromising voices causing noisy chaos that are hurting us the most. None of this surprises me at all. I went canvassing for Bernie in 2020 during the primaries and it honestly opened my eyes to how everyday people are thinking about these elections. I canvassed in one of the most (de facto) segregated suburbs in Ohio, so I went around the lower income black neighborhoods and also the wealthy white/Asian neighborhoods. The former group was not very tuned in to the election news cycle at all, and the latter group was paying a lot more attention but had all over the place beliefs even among registered Democrats, ranging from pretty hardened economically conservative positions to concern only with beating Trump to loose positions on everything and nothing but vibes nnn. I also talked to a lot of husbands who would not let me talk to their wives or Trump supporters who were somehow still registered as Democrats and demanded to be taken off our lists - both types were pretty extremely hostile to me. I definitely encourage people to canvas if they've never done it; it's a useful experience. 1
RihRihGirrrl Posted October 14 Posted October 14 29 minutes ago, Armani? said: Them still using that Siena poll as a representation of 2024 Get that engagement I guess lol I've come across some black men who have said they're not voting at all and a few who are voting for Trump....I've not come across a single black women who has said they're voting for Trump so I don't buy that he's making inroads with black women. 2 1
Communion Posted October 14 Posted October 14 1 hour ago, Blankspace2010 said: Real everyday Americans aren't chronically online looking at social and economic policy through a microscopic lense. So would have to agree with sentiment that this thread isn't a good gauge on what's right, wrong or even true to life. I think a lot of this kind of retconning comes off as liberals trying to institute a kind of cope that the predictions or doubts by leftists are wrong just because the personal methodologies of politically driven leftists for our own votes vary from disengaged voters. Not a single leftist thinks disengaged voters are ideological. That doesn't mean they don't care about how policy impacts them. The entire message from the 2020 primary was that voters are not ideological but fall into cultural waves. That of course voters don't have super detailed understanding of the *mechanics* of policy. The very criticism Bernie supporters held against Warren was that she thought the solution to this was to go over the top in explaining the mechanisms of policy in a way that detracted from the material impact. Voters don't care about the experts who've helped craft your policy but the material impact it will have on them in real terms. Again, I give props to anyone going door to door in Arizona of all places, but even the user who I respect admits they're reading from a script giving abstract platitudes about bipartisanship with no actual engagement on how bipartisanship ruins voters' lives and the backlash cycle that always happens. It speaks to that most leftists objectively do not want Trump to win. Because if we did, we could go door to door canvassing for Stein and telling voters about how Harris wants to send their taxes to murder babies or rip their neighbors away from their children. Cause that will be the impact of her policy. But most of us don't. We are instead just paralyzed by the fear of Trump and fall into a silent objection to Harris' moral and strategic failures. We are not gleefully ushering in a Trump win. We are warning of the inevitable blowback that will happen as a result of what policy like Harris' objectively does. And what that will mean for this election and the future. This idea that voters aren't engaged in policy because they don't speak of the mechanics and white papers like leftists do just reads as hoping that it's okay to actively pursue policy that will objectively harm your own voters. 1
Armani? Posted October 14 Posted October 14 13 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said: I've come across some black men who have said they're not voting at all and a few who are voting for Trump....I've not come across a single black women who has said they're voting for Trump so I don't buy that he's making inroads with black women. The avg of Black polls before the debate, not including Siena has Trump at 9% with Black women which is 2pts higher than the 7pt avg in 2020 in 3 exit polls. It's because of Younger Black women (which no one has anything about, since the GOP focused so heavily on Black men) but that statistically minor Trump gain is probably nearly erased by now at this point. Siena has the highest share for Trump of Black women of all the polls But they're spinning an outlier as what's happening lmao
RihRihGirrrl Posted October 14 Posted October 14 14 minutes ago, Armani? said: The avg of Black polls before the debate, not including Siena has Trump at 9% with Black women which is 2pts higher than the 7pt avg in 2020 in 3 exit polls. It's because of Younger Black women (which no one has anything about, since the GOP focused so heavily on Black men) but that statistically minor Trump gain is probably nearly erased by now at this point. Siena has the highest share for Trump of Black women of all the polls But they're spinning an outlier as what's happening lmao Gotcha...yeah, the Siena crosstabs on black voters is more than sketchy
Virgos Groove Posted October 14 Posted October 14 (edited) If Kamala had an ounce of morality, she'd use this recent attack on UN peacekeeping forces as an off-ramp to break with Biden's Gaza policy. But she doesn't, so she won't. Edited October 14 by Virgos Groove 2 3
Sannie Posted October 14 Posted October 14 19 hours ago, Relampago. said: Here to drop a quick POV after canvassing again this weekend in AZ Let me caveat all of this by saying, I am just one person with one point of view out of many, but these are my true observations. I have to say, standing by and watching the bickering in here has made me realize… yes. A lot of you do seem somewhat out of touch with what's happening on the ground. Perhaps it's just the difference in the areas of where we live but I can affirm that the sentiments with the people I've been talking to are so far removed from the discussions happening in here. I think this thread is too deep in the weeds to really have a good view of what's going on. First, let me start off by saying, alot of people are very much voting out of fear. There is very little motivation outside of that. Both for Trump and Harris voters. Trump voters are scared about their income and the "rising crime" narrative. Harris voters are scared of the government corruption and bodily autonomy (even outside of abortion/IVF). BOTH are terrified of the level of division and hatred in this country. Second, I'd like to touch on the bipartisan comments because Harris has pushed for that a lot recently and it's a part of what we talk about to these voters. Let me say straight up: It's generally very well received. Not because either side actually cares to have the other side weigh in on decisions, but because again… division is a huge concern of theirs and they appreciate Harris reaching across the aisle. Maybe people here feel like that's not a good thing, but I only talked to one person out of maybe… 40-50 that had reservations about it. Third, these people just… do not care about the things that are constantly argued about in here, from Palestine to Medicare. In regards to Palestine, they are far more concerned about what's happening here in the US. This one older man said this that stuck with me: "Why do people make such a big deal about wars when there's a war brewing in this country?" in regards to Trump assassination attempts. Obviously pretty exaggerated, but a lot of people are way more concerned about the events unfolding here than what's happening across the world. They also have a lot of faith in their medical care honestly and are scared to lose it because they don't trust the government to run all of their medical care. There's a lot of education that needs to be done, because they support the concept but lack the trust in the government to give up the care they have now. And last… the polls honestly should just shut the **** up. I'm a bit fed up with them. They're honestly not giving any useful info and only continue to cause more division and fighting than what's necessary. Until they can figure out how to get more people to respond, all they're doing is polling the most partisan people who aren't exactly representative of the country at large. Also, when you see polls saying "55% of people support MASS DEPORTATION!"… I spoke to many people who agree with that but they don't understand the details or what that even means. Many assumed it would just be for criminals or gangs, not the 70 year old doña they live next to or the elotero their kids get snacks from every day. A lot of us here are way too informed to the point that we see data without consideration for who's answering these questions. Blue MAGA and MAGA are not the majority in this country, very, very, very far from it. I think this thread would do well to remember that going into election day. Come what may, but people need to stop making enemies because there is a real hope in this country regardless of who wins, it's the loud, uncompromising voices causing noisy chaos that are hurting us the most. The good sis with another amazing post. You hit on so many points certain people in this thread consistently ignore for their own narrative purposes. Of course the average American is going to care more about what's going on the US than elsewhere even when what's happening elsewhere is horrific. The thing that bothers me the most is the voting out of fear thing. Republicans have nothing to fear; their boogeymen are of their own making and it's so frustrating when comparing it to the real, justified fear those of us on the other side feel. But all in all, some of the things you've picked up on make me think, as @shelven said, the shy Kamala voter theory could come to fruition. 1 1
Tusk Posted October 14 Posted October 14 7 minutes ago, Vermillion said: This is just so stupid When will the media just ignore him?
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