ClashAndBurn Posted October 14 Posted October 14 52 minutes ago, Blade said: I just think it's scary how close that number is. I think she'd be fine with the blue wall states at 270. But let's say she gets to 271 from losing MI but winning NC or GA or gets to 276 by losing WI but winning GA or NC. Will the republicans in control there try to stop their electors from being the Dem ones? An even bigger nightmare is losing WI *and* PA but winning GA *and* NC and getting 273. Then her fate is in both republicans' legislatures willingness to comply...although i'd hope the SoS in those states aren't bat **** crazy. They could reasonably get away with not complying with the coup attempt because their actions alone wouldn't have changed the outcome. In the event that Georgia is a tipping point state, there'd be a lot more pressure on them to bend to Trump's will, including threats to their families. 1
CaptainMusic Posted October 14 Posted October 14 1 hour ago, Blade said: I just think it's scary how close that number is. I think she'd be fine with the blue wall states at 270. But let's say she gets to 271 from losing MI but winning NC or GA or gets to 276 by losing WI but winning GA or NC. Will the republicans in control there try to stop their electors from being the Dem ones? An even bigger nightmare is losing WI *and* PA but winning GA *and* NC and getting 273. Then her fate is in both republicans' legislatures willingness to comply...although i'd hope the SoS in those states aren't bat **** crazy. Yeah but since Kamala is the vice president, if she is robbed of the presidency by corrupt Republicans in a swing state couldn't she technically just not certify Trump's win? A mess to think about.
Harrier Posted October 14 Posted October 14 If she does lose, I hope certain individuals on this website have the restraint to hold off on the insufferable I told you so gloating for at least while. People are going to be very upset and scared, and rightly so. So I encourage emotional intelligence 2 2
ClashAndBurn Posted October 14 Posted October 14 10 minutes ago, Harrier said: If she does lose, I hope certain individuals on this website have the restraint to hold off on the insufferable I told you so gloating for at least while. People are going to be very upset and scared, and rightly so. So I encourage emotional intelligence There'd be little to gloat about, because Dems are going to take the wrong lessons from a Kamala loss like they always do (and especially when Hillary lost) and will take a sharp lurch to the right. To the point that they'd be near indistinguishable from 2016 Trump Republicans 2
Armani? Posted October 14 Posted October 14 Better late than never but They just say anything, 20 points would imply she's in the 60s in supportThe difference from 2020 is literally in margin of error if that's 2/3 points 2
Communion Posted October 14 Posted October 14 5 hours ago, Harrier said: If she does lose, I hope certain individuals on this website have the restraint to hold off on the insufferable I told you so gloating for at least while. People are going to be very upset and scared, and rightly so. So I encourage emotional intelligence Liberal theory: "Evil online leftists won't be able to control themselves from gloating and basking in people's suffering the moment its confirmed she loses." Liberal reality: *a very long 18 hours into election night where Harris' vote tally for her last rust belt state ends up at a photo finush 0.267% lead* "HA WE TOLD YOU LOSER LEFTISTS MAMA K DID NOT NEED YOU TO WIN. SHE KNEW WHAT SHE NEEDED TO DO ALL ALONG. " 3
Vermillion Posted October 14 Posted October 14 5 hours ago, Harrier said: If she does lose, I hope certain individuals on this website have the restraint to hold off on the insufferable I told you so gloating for at least while. People are going to be very upset and scared, and rightly so. So I encourage emotional intelligence Nothing remotely resembling gloating from me, just likely a lot of unpacking of terrible takes from posters in here that will have just shown up for the first time. 2
DR0GO Posted October 14 Posted October 14 18 hours ago, Jackson said: I genuinely believe that most elections have nothing to do with the candidates and campaigns themselves and more to do with voters reacting to the past 2-4 years. That's why Biden won the primary in 2020 and ultimately the election. Voters wanted a safe, diplomatic, electable candidate rather than another populist (Bernie) or four more years of Trump. That's why the polls are pretty consistently showing more voters thinking Kamala is too liberal vs those that think Trump is too conservative, despite that making absolutely zero sense. People are essentially just reacting to their perception of the economy and immigration over the past 3 years, whether justly or not. Voters, of course, are idiots, and the second Trump enacts a single tariff or deports a single immigrant his approval will plummet and we'll get a blue wave in 2026. Today's polls were undeniably bad for Dems. I still don't get the dooming and claims that the race has fundamentally shifted since the convention. These are the national polling gaps on September 1st, which is when Kamala had her biggest lead, vs today: Silver Bulletin: 3.5% vs 2.8% 538: 3.2% vs 2.8% NYT: 3% vs 2% (rounded) It's also worth noting that in most of those polls, Kamala had her largest % of support today, not at the beginning of September. So the narrative that she's lost enthusiasm just doesn't pan out. To the extent that her lead has shrunk (which it has done by less than 1%), it's been because Trump has picked up more undecided voters, not that Kamala has lost voters, which was a widely expected outcome. Thanks for this breakdown. This calmed my nerves down a tad bit. 2
DR0GO Posted October 14 Posted October 14 18 hours ago, Vermillion said: You know what though, this is actually good news and makes me hopeful. 1
Musicmajor Posted October 14 Posted October 14 If she loses, after ALL of this, and Trump ends up winning, I will truly be at a loss for words and step away from reading/consuming anything political. I will vote when it's time to vote but never again will I be as invested and consumed as I am right now. Kamala has to juggle 40 things, appeal to so many different types of voters, while sounding competent, compassionate, ect ect...while Trump can go rant about windmills, anti-immigrants, and Hannibal Lecter and potentially win? It's WILD. I think she will still pull it out, but it's going to be so close, too close, which is why it's adding to everyone anxiety and nerves. 9 3
DR0GO Posted October 14 Posted October 14 16 hours ago, Relampago. said: Here to drop a quick POV after canvassing again this weekend in AZ Let me caveat all of this by saying, I am just one person with one point of view out of many, but these are my true observations. I have to say, standing by and watching the bickering in here has made me realize… yes. A lot of you do seem somewhat out of touch with what's happening on the ground. Perhaps it's just the difference in the areas of where we live but I can affirm that the sentiments with the people I've been talking to are so far removed from the discussions happening in here. I think this thread is too deep in the weeds to really have a good view of what's going on. First, let me start off by saying, alot of people are very much voting out of fear. There is very little motivation outside of that. Both for Trump and Harris voters. Trump voters are scared about their income and the "rising crime" narrative. Harris voters are scared of the government corruption and bodily autonomy (even outside of abortion/IVF). BOTH are terrified of the level of division and hatred in this country. Second, I'd like to touch on the bipartisan comments because Harris has pushed for that a lot recently and it's a part of what we talk about to these voters. Let me say straight up: It's generally very well received. Not because either side actually cares to have the other side weigh in on decisions, but because again… division is a huge concern of theirs and they appreciate Harris reaching across the aisle. Maybe people here feel like that's not a good thing, but I only talked to one person out of maybe… 40-50 that had reservations about it. Third, these people just… do not care about the things that are constantly argued about in here, from Palestine to Medicare. In regards to Palestine, they are far more concerned about what's happening here in the US. This one older man said this that stuck with me: "Why do people make such a big deal about wars when there's a war brewing in this country?" in regards to Trump assassination attempts. Obviously pretty exaggerated, but a lot of people are way more concerned about the events unfolding here than what's happening across the world. They also have a lot of faith in their medical care honestly and are scared to lose it because they don't trust the government to run all of their medical care. There's a lot of education that needs to be done, because they support the concept but lack the trust in the government to give up the care they have now. And last… the polls honestly should just shut the **** up. I'm a bit fed up with them. They're honestly not giving any useful info and only continue to cause more division and fighting than what's necessary. Until they can figure out how to get more people to respond, all they're doing is polling the most partisan people who aren't exactly representative of the country at large. Also, when you see polls saying "55% of people support MASS DEPORTATION!"… I spoke to many people who agree with that but they don't understand the details or what that even means. Many assumed it would just be for criminals or gangs, not the 70 year old doña they live next to or the elotero their kids get snacks from every day. A lot of us here are way too informed to the point that we see data without consideration for who's answering these questions. Blue MAGA and MAGA are not the majority in this country, very, very, very far from it. I think this thread would do well to remember that going into election day. Come what may, but people need to stop making enemies because there is a real hope in this country regardless of who wins, it's the loud, uncompromising voices causing noisy chaos that are hurting us the most. Not you being our very own October surprise. 4
dabunique Posted October 14 Posted October 14 14 minutes ago, Vermillion said: LOL it would be voldemort as worst senator lol
Armani? Posted October 14 Posted October 14 I guess the good thing coming out of this with the GOP's obsession with getting Black men to vote for them since 2020, is that it made Democrats so scared they actually put out a policy platform albeit 20 days before the election. Quote In the coming days, Harris plans to travel to urban locales including Detroit, Philadelphia and Erie, Pa., where she will meet with Black entrepreneurs and highlight what her campaign is calling an "Opportunity Agenda for Black Men." Aides say the proposals are aimed at helping Black men build wealth, expanding their access to lending and providing additional tools to support those trying to start or expand businesses. 1
Blankspace2010 Posted October 14 Posted October 14 Real everyday Americans aren't chronically online looking at social and economic policy through a microscopic lense. So would have to agree with sentiment that this thread isn't a good gauge on what's right, wrong or even true to life. 4 1
woohoo Posted October 14 Posted October 14 14 minutes ago, Blankspace2010 said: Real everyday Americans aren't chronically online looking at social and economic policy through a microscopic lense. So would have to agree with sentiment that this thread isn't a good gauge on what's right, wrong or even true to life. It's true. I swear 90% of elections come down to gas prices and 401ks, no matter what exit polls say. Americans are just totally tuned out of most everything because we're brought up in individualism and selfishness 4
RihRihGirrrl Posted October 14 Posted October 14 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Armani? said: I guess the good thing coming out of this with the GOP's obsession with getting Black men to vote for them since 2020, is that it made Democrats so scared they actually put out a policy platform albeit 20 days before the election. Is this program excluding black women? If so, I don't like that. Black women are one of the fastest growing groups of entrepreneurs. Including them in this program would help black families even more. Edit: Just read more and looks like the program will target 'Black men an others' which I take to mean other minorities. Edited October 14 by RihRihGirrrl 1
Armani? Posted October 14 Posted October 14 4 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said: Is this program excluding black women? If so, I don't like that. Black women are one of the fastest growing groups of entrepreneurs. Including them in this program would help black families even more. As far as I can tell it's just being used to target to Black men, but it doesn't exclude Black women
ClashAndBurn Posted October 14 Posted October 14 (edited) 10 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said: Is this program excluding black women? If so, I don't like that. Black women are one of the fastest growing groups of entrepreneurs. Including them in this program would help black families even more. Why would they include black women (at least in their messaging)when they are by far the most loyal voting base and don't need to be catered to at all? Fact of the matter is, their fealty is THE reason they are so disrespected. You don't get rewarded for undying loyalty in politics. You get fully catered to if you're part of a wavering demographic that could go to either side. If you're a leftist though, who has nowhere else to go, you get nothing but disrespect and they actively try to alienate you from voting for them while campaigning, and then they'll blame you for it if they lose. That said, if the program actually includes black women, that's great. But black male voters are the ones Dems are skittish about (albeit needlessly) Edited October 14 by ClashAndBurn 1
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