CamCam Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) Listen, bad polls have been inevitable since day one. I'm sure a good poll will come up again soon & change the tides once more, but guys? Please just focus on getting out there & voting. One bad polling day does not mean the election's fate is automatically sealed. Come on...we're better than that.... ....(I hope.) Edited October 13 by CamCam 8
bunnyeyes Posted October 13 Posted October 13 37 minutes ago, Sannie said: We don't actually know what she "needs", and many say it's less than four points, sis. As with most things this cycle, the number is often exaggerated. The polls aren't going to get better because there are dozens of right-wing pollsters who are going to continue flooding the zone. It's not the polls you want to look at, it's the averages. Leftists will get the blame either way, and rightfully so. This election cycle, leftists have proven they are more concerned with their egos and feelings of superiority than actually helping the people they've always claimed to support. If Kamala loses, it will be because they helped push the anti-Kamala narrative the right wanted them to push. If Kamala wins, it'll be in spite of the left and not because. Either way, they are going to be left in the dust after this election and will never again be looked or catered to. I guess you reap what you sow. I voted for her ticket and got several people to register. What more do you want? We literally just want to make sure the rights of the most vulnerable are protected. 1 2
Blade Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Mind you, the average of 2 LV polls we got today are Kamala +2.5. The average of the 3 polls (with the 3rd being a tied race of RV) showed an average of Kamala +1.7 Not surprising that the RV poll shows a tighter race than LV. 2 2
Marianah Adkins Posted October 13 Posted October 13 If I were Kamala, its time to break away from the unpopular Biden administration. Biden is the anchor that is beleaguering her campaign. The Israel-Palestine issue, the inflation, his unpopularity— its whats preventing her to breakthrough. Biden doesnt give af abt her anyway so why not run your own course. The independent voters dont know much about her based on the polls so this is the best time to distinguish herself from both Biden and Trump. Be the change candidate that she could be 3 1
GhostBox Posted October 13 Posted October 13 14 minutes ago, Vermillion said: I could see their teams not liking each other much, but we haven't seen anything in public that shows Biden disliking Harris to the point of kneecapping her. Now I do think he might be disappointed the Harris campaign doesnt want him out and about campaigning much for her. But hes Not well liked so he shouldn't be surprised.
Blade Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Conflicting stories on Biden and on Kamala's intention as well. someone reported that Biden told her it's okay for her to do whatever she has to win. So one thinks why she had the View "gaffe" considering everything else coming from her has been very rehearsed. 1
ZeroSuitBritney Posted October 13 Posted October 13 4 minutes ago, Jackson said: I genuinely believe that most elections have nothing to do with the candidates and campaigns themselves and more to do with voters reacting to the past 2-4 years. That's why Biden ultimately won the primary in 2020 and ultimately the election. Voters wanted a safe, diplomatic, electable candidate rather than another populist (Bernie) or four more years of Trump. That's why the polls are pretty consistently showing more voters thinking Kamala is too liberal vs those that think Trump is too conservative, despite that making absolutely zero sense. People are essentially just reaction to their perception of the economy and immigration over the past 3 years, whether justly or not. Voters, of course, are idiots, and the second Trump enacts a single tariff or deports a single immigrant his approval will plummet and we'll get a blue wave in 2026. Today's polls were undeniably bad for Dems. I still don't get the dooming and claims that the race has fundamentally shifted since the convention. These are the national polling gaps on September 1st, which is when Kamala had her biggest lead, vs today: Silver Bulletin: 3.5% vs 2.8% 538: 3.2% vs 2.8% NYT: 3% vs 2% (rounded) It's also worth noting that in most of those polls, Kamala had her largest % of support today, not at the beginning of September. So the narrative that she's lost enthusiasm just doesn't pan out. To the extent that her lead has shrunk (which it has done by less than 1%), it's been because Trump has picked up more undecided voters, not that Kamala has lost voters, which was a widely expected outcome. Agreed with mostly everything you said. However, I think it's safe to say we all know what happened during the 2020 primaries was obviously strategic Trump was the best thing that happened to the Democratic party honestly. His policies and positions hurt the country so much it instilled so much fear in the average Democratic voter. For the past two election cycles, and the current one, the Democratic party is basically running on a "But Trump"/Anti Trump campaign that it doesn't need to actually bring any major changes instead of reversing Trump led consequences like Roe vs Wade, and for the most part it is working. But how long can they keep running on that? For the past three election cycles, the Democratic party has successfully and slowly become more conservative because of the "But Trump" rhetoric being a shield. Democratic voters need to ask themselves... what if the policies that Kamala Harris is running on right now would have been in 2016 with Hillary (or even 2012 with Obama) had Trump not been in the picture. Would they have been okay with these policies? I think the average Democrat wouldn't be very motivated or enthusiastic to run on such policies back then. Trump isn't going to be around forever. Sooner or later, the Democratic party is going to have to move on with actual policy changes that are popular with the majority of Americans, regardless of political affiliation. This includes universal healthcare, free college, and actually campaigning for a livable minimum wage. Hell they can start by ending the constant videos we are seeing online of beheaded babies being murdered on a daily basis with our weapons, which is driving a good chunk of voters to not vote at all or vote for a third party candidate. But when that day comes, they will not only have to make campaign and party promises going forward to enact such popular policies; they will have to answer to why they ran on certain right wing policy changes during the Harris election cycle, which will not be easy for them. 3 1
anti-bitch Posted October 13 Posted October 13 14 minutes ago, Vermillion said: This would explain why her strategy has gone more to the right/center lately. But I hope they keep watching the polls and make adjustments to distance more from Biden if needed 1
CaptainMusic Posted October 13 Posted October 13 3 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said: If I were Kamala, its time to break away from the unpopular Biden administration. Biden is the anchor that is beleaguering her campaign. The Israel-Palestine issue, the inflation, his unpopularity— its whats preventing her to breakthrough. Biden doesnt give af abt her anyway so why not run your own course. The independent voters dont know much about her based on the polls so this is the best time to distinguish herself from both Biden and Trump. Be the change candidate that she could be She doesn't seem to be aware or is ignoring how unpopular Biden is considering the fact that she said she wouldn't do anything differently. 4
Tovitov Posted October 13 Posted October 13 I personally dont think I can handle 23 more days of this. Got a stress migraine so bad the other day from binging politics. 1
ultraviolence.xx Posted October 13 Posted October 13 41 minutes ago, Sannie said: Leftists will get the blame either way, and rightfully so. This election cycle, leftists have proven they are more concerned with their egos and feelings of superiority than actually helping the people they've always claimed to support. If Kamala loses, it will be because they helped push the anti-Kamala narrative the right wanted them to push. If Kamala wins, it'll be in spite of the left and not because. Either way, they are going to be left in the dust after this election and will never again be looked or catered to. I guess you reap what you sow. you post some version of this dumb **** every day. are you not tired? did a blue-state leftist break your heart or something? you have a shocking amount of ire toward this group of folks instead of toward, i don't know, literally anyone associated with the campaign you're dickriding for that has decided to leave this group of people in the dust. but the responsibility for the outcome doesn't fall on the campaign, does it? just a giant group of virtue signalers living in their utopian blue states? 5
Blade Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Wait the all but certain winner of the WV senate race is a switched Dem to Republican? 2 2
Blade Posted October 13 Posted October 13 2 minutes ago, Tovitov said: I personally dont think I can handle 23 more days of this. Got a stress migraine so bad the other day from binging politics. Oh my mental health is in the gutter. The only thing keeping me alive is the early vote data from PA/MI. And even then, I view it with skepticism / cautious optimism. 5
GhostBox Posted October 13 Posted October 13 1 minute ago, Blade said: Wait the all but certain winner of the WV senate race is a switched Dem to Republican? Yes he won as a Dem then switched to Republican 💀 it was very disappointing because I voted for the man he's very very unhealthy
Blade Posted October 13 Posted October 13 4 minutes ago, GhostBox said: he's very very unhealthy Well hello let's celebrate that 8
ZeroSuitBritney Posted October 13 Posted October 13 Anyways, husband and I are going to get new passport photos since we have updated our names on our Drivers license and social security cards since getting married last year and have yet to update our passports. I've been hesitant because I was afraid it would come back with Palestine taken off "Place of birth" and replaced with Israel/Non existent/Other because of Biden's current actions but I actually have more faith with it coming back as it should under his adminstration than I do under a Trump (and possibly even Kamala) administration 2 1
GhostBox Posted October 13 Posted October 13 4 minutes ago, Blade said: Well hello let's celebrate that It's the only good thing about him winning 🎉💃🏽💃🏽
Armani? Posted October 13 Posted October 13 4 minutes ago, GhostBox said: ABC & NBC's polls also average out to 12% Pretty good for a crosstab percentage Apparently the average for Biden was 11% right before the election. 3 1
anti-bitch Posted October 13 Posted October 13 14 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said: She doesn't seem to be aware or is ignoring how unpopular Biden is considering the fact that she said she wouldn't do anything differently. Maybe they are testing different proposals and see how people react to them. That thing about expanding Medicare to include home care felt like her throwing a bone to the left but then having a Republican in admin was to the right. 1 2
ZeroSuitBritney Posted October 13 Posted October 13 4 minutes ago, anti-***** said: Maybe they are testing different proposals and see how people react to them. That thing about expanding Medicare to include home care felt like her throwing a bone to the left but then having a Republican in admin was to the right. Ah yes let's test different proposals to see reactions less than a month away from the election, I'm sure that works 1 1
Tovitov Posted October 13 Posted October 13 For anyone who forgot, we also got a tied Siena and Quinnipiac poll after the debate and I dont remember the reaction to be quite so pointed. 3
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