Lil Mistee Posted October 8 Posted October 8 1 hour ago, Relampago. said: But I am going next weekend again, I'm doing texting phonebanking this week too and going to the Doug event here in Phoenix this evening. I'm sorta 60/40 on whether she'll win AZ (leaning towards losing) but I think the margins will be just as close as 2020 whether she wins or doesn't. This video
GhostBox Posted October 8 Posted October 8 31 minutes ago, Vermillion said: Well, this debate is certainly more productive than another on why Hillary lost. That ones a lot more fun 💃
woohoo Posted October 8 Posted October 8 5 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: Ooop masc4masc gays might escape going to a camp after all 1
DONTYELLATME Posted October 8 Posted October 8 24 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: I don't know HOW this is in anyway defensible to the KHive but… somehow this **** makes her look like "the bigger person" by rewarding the side that tried to plant a bomb outside of DNC headquarters SPECIFICALLY TO BLOW YOU UP Well she means a Never Trump Republican. Independents view Republicans as a normal sane political party and see bipartisanship as a way to solve problems. This does demoralize the progressives in the party. I think thats the thinking here whether thats right or wrong we will see.
GhostBox Posted October 8 Posted October 8 3 minutes ago, Vermillion said: Not this reporter being a RFK Jr fan and posting pro Putin stuff on his feed 💀 1 1
Lil Mistee Posted October 8 Posted October 8 3 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Not this reporter being a RFK Jr fan and posting pro Putin stuff on his feed 💀 Yikes...he's still right tho
RihRihGirrrl Posted October 8 Posted October 8 Despite Harris' flub on the Biden question, the rest of her interview on The View was very strong....she's really good in these settings and by far the most effective person I've seen in walking the line between harshly attacking Trump but still humanizing herself and framing herself as someone who's solution oriented 2
Communion Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Re: pushing Harris to the left post-election… I have very little hope for that from the Dem base. I mean, I heard the same with Biden and I don't know how many results we got from that. Biden and Harris are undeniably better than Trump in some ways though, so they're the clear "lesser evil" *insert NeneLeakeswhateverthatmeans.mov* So I have pinched my nose for Biden and am actively trying to get Harris elected to oust Trump once and for all. Hopefully we can move into a greater sense of normalcy after that because Trump is creating such chaos, it's hard to even build campaigns and movements when he's such a sweeping force. No one is willing to listen to anything besides Trump vs Not Trump for the most part. I can't see any meaningful progress being made in terms of organizing and mobilizing until Trump is gone, since we've already seen his cronies don't have the same pull (2022). I know this is going to sound a bit… crazy but I do feel that the Twinks4Trump and Latinos4Trump have made some points. Obviously they're idiots and aren't doing it for the purpose I'm trying to lay out, but I do think the best way to get Dems to move left in a meaningful way is to get Republicans to move left too, particularly on social issues. If the gender divide continues and POC men leave the Democratic Party in droves, I can see Republicans dropping the overt racism, homophobia, etc. In which case the Democrats will have very little differences to campaign on, and will be forced to move left on different issues in order to avoid becoming too similar to Republicans in all aspects and thus lose power. I don't really see how Democrats can do anything to push Harris to the left. The main base was pretty much ready to vote for Biden, despite not caring for him. It won't be until the next election where the Dems feel a palpable loss of power and then will have to restrategize because the centrist act is failing. For that reason, I think if Trump loses, we'll see a move away from his radical approach to social issues and Republicans will become softer on LGBTQ/race issues, at least in their campaign. That's why I find it very important for Harris to win, because if Trump does it says: "this strategy can work! Keep doing it!" and Dems will likely think "that strategy works! We need to move MORE right!" Rinse and repeat. In summary, it really would be more effective if Republicans could get smart and capitalize on their gains with POC and potentially white queer men as well, in order to stop the Dems from using those demographics as a crutch for differentiation. All of this is theoretical but I find it more likely than a 3rd Party gaining meaningful power in US any time soon, although that would be the best case scenario. I think what's frustrating to a lot of progressives is that we have already seen how liberal populism... does not work in the long-run for Dems! Trying to do Obama 2.0 is scary to progressives because Obama's failures ushered in Trump! Which is part of the frustration progressives had in liberals trying to claim Trump's ascension was 100% and only whitelash, as it simply doesn't allow for a meaningful diagnosis and strategy to combat it. "These people who voted for Obama twice were always secretly racist and will always be racist and nothing can be done to beat Republicans". Sanders' student loan and free college policy became so popular because Obama did the neoliberal thing of increased Pell Grants without meaningfully addressing the cost of college, ending up just locking in millions of poor, first generation students into now tens of thousands of dollars of debt. Medicare For All became a popular rallying call and shot up in popularity because Dems under Obama burnt their political capital up passing a watered-down ACA propped up by neoliberal tax incentives and credits that Republicans set-up to fail, resulting in the below: But these movements cannot take off if there is no one to vocalize the needs for progressive policies. And such frustration will just find a new home amongst inevitable failure. Copying Obama's far-right approach to immigration, foreign policy, and labor just seems odd when Obama created the conditions for Trump to win. Defending a conservative Kamala Harris campaign is tantamount to casting a vote in advance for an even smarter, more fascist disciple of Trump. Voting conservative Dems into office accelerates Republicans returning to office and is in effect just a vote for Republicans to begin with. Edited October 8 by Communion 2 2
GhostBox Posted October 8 Posted October 8 Just now, Lil Mistee said: Yikes...he's still right tho It's weird how alot of the outspoken pro Palestine crowd are also anti- Ukraine/pro Putin as well though 💀 Putin is actively doing to them what Israel is doing to Palestine. Like 🤷 1
Bears01 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 24 minutes ago, Vermillion said: This so much. The people advising her and insisting she just keep moving right are the people I most want to see get reality checked, not the country who will have to suffer under a Trump presidency. But these morons who insist that we just go right back to trying to win over never Trump republicans, I want them to lose. They need to be fired and kicked out of politics 3 1
GhostBox Posted October 8 Posted October 8 3 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said: Despite Harris' flub on the Biden question, the rest of her interview on The View was very strong....she's really good in these settings and by far the most effective person I've seen in walking the line between harshly attacking Trump but still humanizing herself and framing herself as someone who's solution oriented She definitely should continue these appearances. Shes really good in these settings. She comes off as relatable and likable. Something trump and JD have a hard time doing.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted October 8 ATRL Moderator Posted October 8 1 minute ago, Bears01 said: This so much. The people advising her and insisting she just keep moving right are the people I most want to see get reality checked, not the country who will have to suffer under a Trump presidency. But these morons who insist that we just go right back to trying to win over never Trump republicans, I want them to lose. They need to be fired and kicked out of politics The truly s***ty thing about this is that we have seen the following scenarios with Trump: (i) Trump wins against a centrist Democrat and (ii) a centrist Democrat beats Trump. Only one of these scenarios resulted in the Democrats moving to the left and it wasn't the one where Trump loses. Like, I know a lot of liberals get nervous around this conversation, but this paradox is why the "vote Blue no matter who" mantra falls flat and why many people are tired of it. I was a vote Blue no matter who champion back in 2016 and I feel the fatigue because what I was told would happen simply didn't and it's extremely frustrating. 4 3
State of Grace. Posted October 8 Posted October 8 13 minutes ago, Vermillion said: I wonder why "prospects of peace seem more distant than ever". Could it be that America keeps sending arms to Israel and Kamala fell asleep while working tirelessly for that ceasefire deal 1 1
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