Jackson Posted October 1 Posted October 1 1 hour ago, Vermillion said: The reticence to face the cultural resentment angle among the white-working class is part of the problem here but I think there's concern it'd be too hamfisted to respond to it a la Hillary Clinton so they aren't bothering at all. I'm not sure how you'd even begin to address it from a political standpoint. Harris is part of the most pro-labor administration in a generation. She literally cast the tie-breaking vote to bail out the Teamsters pensions and they won't endorse her. Her economic policies seem geared towards white working class voters but they don't seem to care. The rightward shift seems entirely tied to cultural issues that go far beyond politics and I don't think politicians can do anything to fix it. 1 2
Lil Mistee Posted October 1 Posted October 1 1 hour ago, on the line said: Exactly. If you're just going to post a random Twitter account without any context, you can't be surprised that people interpret it how they interpret it. WARNING: You, a random poster I've never noticed, may now be considered my 3rd dupe account because you agreed with me. It's a bit weird how there's three people in this thread that constantly throw vitriol and assumption based attacks at everyone else. Oh well they must be like "the brat pack" that every forum has! Back to politics I fear… 2
on the line Posted October 1 Posted October 1 4 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: It's a bit weird how there's three people in this thread that constantly throw vitriol and assumption based attacks at everyone else. Oh well they must be like "the brat pack" that every forum has! Back to politics I fear… And you only see them on a pop music forum.... in political threads. Definitely a choice.
dabunique Posted October 1 Posted October 1 overnight a bunch of new laws have passed and this one is a big one here 1
RihRihGirrrl Posted October 1 Posted October 1 5 minutes ago, Blade said: Why is there so little discussion that the ongoing Israel invasions/escalations are going to hurt Kamala's chances? I've seen data nerds saying "barring an October surprise" as if that isn't the most likely thing? Maybe I'm overestimating how much the average American cares about Israel bombing the **** out of Lebanon considering we are a bit more informed than the average American. But I can totally see low info voters buying into Trump's "I'm against endless wars! Kamala is the reason the ME is at war!" Not to mention Iran is going to strike today or tomorrow (they did so in April too but maybe I'm leaning too much on vibes because this feels different) Anyone with more foreign policy insight feel free to weigh in. Also you all know I'm not pro Israel or so save the "Kamala did this to herself!!" crap, I know that, I want actual discussion on whether this escalation is different from the past year or not. It seems all too perfect of a coincidence for this to be happening 1 month before the election when we know Netanyahu would prefer a Trump presidency. It should hurt her but the mainstream media is positioning the recent Lebanon strikes as a 'win' for Israel and Netanyahu so I'm not sure how much blowback she'll get Iran will definitely respond but I'm not convinced they'll respond before the election.....they seem to be invested in not having another Trump Presidency 1
Lil Mistee Posted October 1 Posted October 1 6 minutes ago, Blade said: Why is there so little discussion that the ongoing Israel invasions/escalations are going to hurt Kamala's chances? I've seen data nerds saying "barring an October surprise" as if that isn't the most likely thing? Maybe I'm overestimating how much the average American cares about Israel bombing the **** out of Lebanon considering we are a bit more informed than the average American. But I can totally see low info voters buying into Trump's "I'm against endless wars! Kamala is the reason the ME is at war!" Not to mention Iran is going to strike today or tomorrow (they did so in April too but maybe I'm leaning too much on vibes because this feels different) Anyone with more foreign policy insight feel free to weigh in. Also you all know I'm not pro Israel or so save the "Kamala did this to herself!!" crap, I know that, I want actual discussion on whether this escalation is different from the past year or not. It seems all too perfect of a coincidence for this to be happening 1 month before the election when we know Netanyahu would prefer a Trump presidency. Well it's not going to help her that's for sure. They've been ramming home how under trump there was no war and now there is wars all over. It'd be smart if her to set up an arms embargo PLAN if nothing else. That sounds good to peoples ears cause I think at the end of the day no one likes the word "war" (unless you're a politician or gun nut). I also think a lot of what is happening is strategic moves to get trump into office, not to sound conspiracied. But seriously, having trump in office is a huge boon to dictators all over. anecdotally, I feel like most people literally don't care or like to live in their ignorance is bliss lifestyle Americans love so much. But there's a lot of support for Israel here as well (I live in a red state). I see so many Israeli flags but have yet to see one Palestinian flag or any pro Palestine messaging. but looking at pew research and other data suggest Israel is losing American opinion support slowly but surely but also that it's still a huge mix bag in messaging. Most will say Israel's response to Oct 7 is justified but then say the way they're going about it now is a mix bag. (Not my opinions I'm talking about data by pew) I think it'll have an affect but nothing major for either sides tbh! 2
Jackson Posted October 1 Posted October 1 5 minutes ago, Blade said: Why is there so little discussion that the ongoing Israel invasions/escalations are going to hurt Kamala's chances? I've seen data nerds saying "barring an October surprise" as if that isn't the most likely thing? Maybe I'm overestimating how much the average American cares about Israel bombing the **** out of Lebanon considering we are a bit more informed than the average American. But I can totally see low info voters buying into Trump's "I'm against endless wars! Kamala is the reason the ME is at war!" Not to mention Iran is going to strike today or tomorrow (they did so in April too but maybe I'm leaning too much on vibes because this feels different) Anyone with more foreign policy insight feel free to weigh in. Also you all know I'm not pro Israel or so save the "Kamala did this to herself!!" crap, I know that, I want actual discussion on whether this escalation is different from the past year or not. It seems all too perfect of a coincidence for this to be happening 1 month before the election when we know Netanyahu would prefer a Trump presidency. It's definitely getting discussed in here I think it comes down to 1) Americans rank the conflict in the Middle East extremely low in their priorities and 2) most Americans (unfortunately) support Israel in the conflict There's some more recent polling suggesting that narrow majorities now support conditional aid to Israel, so Kamala should take the opportunity to finally break away from Biden's backwards positions and try to stop the escalation of the conflict. But this election will be won or lost on the economy. I think it's unlikely Kamala will shift her positions until after the election and Trump is obviously only going to make it worse. 2 1
Blade Posted October 1 Posted October 1 4 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said: It should hurt her but the mainstream media is positioning the recent Lebanon strikes as a 'win' for Israel and Netanyahu so I'm not sure how much blowback she'll get Iran will definitely respond but I'm not convinced they'll respond before the election.....they seem to be invested in not having another Trump Presidency According to US intelligence they're going to strike within the next 24-48 hours. Unless it's a bluff on Iran's part.
dabunique Posted October 1 Posted October 1 can someone explain to me da Longshore strike please i'm always for unions and stuff but some r saying this man is aligned with Trump they deserve their money but is their leader doin sumthin like this to benefit Trump?
Lil Mistee Posted October 1 Posted October 1 I also think the mass student protest that happened a few months back brought a lot of attention to it and had people shift their views of Israel slightly more negatively. like Kamala said, progress really only gets done when people take to the streets. 2
Lil Mistee Posted October 1 Posted October 1 1 minute ago, Blade said: According to US intelligence they're going to strike within the next 24-48 hours. Unless it's a bluff on Iran's part. Us intelligence is a messy queen, sometimes they're on the dot other times it's a total wash. We shall see
Lil Mistee Posted October 1 Posted October 1 4 minutes ago, Jackson said: It's definitely getting discussed in here I think it comes down to 1) Americans rank the conflict in the Middle East extremely low in their priorities and 2) most Americans (unfortunately) support Israel in the conflict There's some more recent polling suggesting that narrow majorities now support conditional aid to Israel, so Kamala should take the opportunity to finally break away from Biden's backwards positions and try to stop the escalation of the conflict. But this election will be won or lost on the economy. I think it's unlikely Kamala will shift her positions until after the election and Trump is obviously only going to make it worse. The way you sum things up so eloquently… queen 1
Vermillion Posted October 1 Posted October 1 On the strike, who knows about alliances and motives. On Iran, I've discussed it a ton here - Netanyahu needs to go for anything to happen but the rightward coalition and threatened jail sentence means don't count on it. 1
Lil Mistee Posted October 1 Posted October 1 2 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Some pretty good polls for Harris today 👏🏼 Where girl 💀 we got fabrizio (flop) morning consult (flop) and a Washington post one saying she's down two points in Nc
dabunique Posted October 1 Posted October 1 (edited) sorry boo lol @GhostBox Edited October 1 by dabunique
cloudbusting Posted October 1 Posted October 1 4 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: Where girl 💀 this is the user who was confident Biden was going to win right until the moment he withdrew, even when his polling was hemorrhaging
John Slayne Posted October 1 Posted October 1 Dump becoming more insane by the hour and still polling well is so fitting for 2024
Marianah Adkins Posted October 1 Posted October 1 The Longshore strike might be the October Surprise (the first) of the season. Yea, the union leader is associated with Trump but this is a tricky situation to handle considering Biden's "pro union" image. This is where messaging from the Harris campaign needs to be sharp because this could either be an opportunity or a downfall 1
Tovitov Posted October 1 Posted October 1 11 minutes ago, dabunique said: sorry boo lol @GhostBox Insider advantage is a Republican firm with a similar reputation to Trafalgar. They were one of the pollsters who "flooded" the aggregate with R-friendly numbers in 2022. 1
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