Sannie Posted September 24 Posted September 24 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Bears01 said: Once again, democrats chasing after "never trump" republicans like they have the last 3 elections, instead of voters like @Communion @ClashAndBurn who want the party to stop funding genocide and a push for good healthcare in this country…. They've made points that sometimes this party is utterly useless, more often than not The former are showing to be much easier to convince than the latter lol. Some of the most ardent, pro-Harris supporters on the Internet are never-Trump Republicans. Many (not all) leftists have flown too close to the sun and have passed the point of no return. If Harris does win, it will show the Dems never have to cater to the left again as Kamala would've won not because of leftists but in spite of them. The left has been given an opportunity to showcase a willingness to compromise and form a coalition to stop the greatest threat to our country and many of them are just refusing to do so. If the mass rounding up and deportation of immigrants, forced detransitioning of trans people, the criminalization of black history, overturning of basic civil rights, and forced births aren't enough for them to care about what's happening in our country, they're not worth being targeted. When you mention these issues, they just scream you're trying to guilt trip or scare them into voting because they've convinced themselves none of these things are happening or will happen. "I'm not voting for Harris no matter what." "OK, we'll target people we think will vote for her." "NOT FAIR!!" Edited September 24 by Sannie 12 5
CamCam Posted September 24 Posted September 24 (edited) You know, I read through the thread just about daily not just to see the poll results but to also see the general discussions here. Funny enough, this is pretty much the first election cycle where I've made this much of a consistent effort to pay attention to polls. Though for the life of me, I sincerely hope that with any bad polling, more people use that as motivation fuel to vote & not be so quick to fearmonger. Trust me, a bad poll where Trump suddenly is up can strike fear into me too at times, but this is an election where you cannot let fear deter you from assuming the worst, let alone be too disheartened to vote. All that matters is making sure Kamala's policies are relayed & that she gets the vote, because she is still very much in the running even with the bad polling some days. Edited September 24 by CamCam 3
Blade Posted September 24 Posted September 24 1 hour ago, Cosmonaut said: This is interesting! This district only just voted for Trump in 2020 (by +0.1% I think), so Harris being up 7 there is hopefully a sign of strength across the Rust Belt/Midwest. I'm so interested in the final Selzer poll that'll come at the end of October/early November. I don't expect a Trump +4 like the September poll but Trump won Iowa in 2016 by 9.4% and 8.2% in 2020. If we see anything from Trump +9-+7 i'll expect a tough 2020-like race in the Midwest. If we see Trump +6 then I think Harris has the slight edge in the Midwest esp Wisconsin. If it's Trump +5 and a less then that will be my main coping method because I think that would guarantee WI/MI/PA --------------------------------------- https://newrepublic.com/article/186274/one-way-mark-robinsons-collapse-really-take-trump This is a great podcast on the state of NC for Kamala. The NC Dem strategist seems bullish on Kamala...especially with the lose by less strategy and their new ground game that was non existent in 2020. 2
FameFatale Posted September 24 Posted September 24 15 minutes ago, dabunique said: I was going to watch the hearing but I just can't now. He makes me so mad.
Communion Posted September 24 Posted September 24 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Sannie said: The former are showing to be much easier to convince than the latter lol. 2016, Republicans - Trump, 88% 2020, Republicans - Trump: 94% (+6) 2016, Republicans - Clinton, 8% 2020, Republicans - Biden, 6% (-2) 2016 vs 2020 Exit Polls - Democrats: 36% -> 37% (+1) Republicans: 33% -> 36% (+3) Indies: 31% -> 26% (-5) So not only did Trump increase his share of Republican voters but the vast majority of degrowth in independents as a portion of people who voted actually resulted in increased turnout for Republicans (who again voted for Trump more than ever before). Feels like it's time to put this myth of the crossover voter to bed. They don't exist. Any affluent suburbanites who claim to be former Republicans haven't been so since at least before Obama 2008. There wasn't even a major swing of indies away from Trunmp from 2016 to 2020 cause he didn't even hit 50% with them in 2016. Double digits voted 3rd party that year. There wasn't a mass need to recalibrate the party from being too progressive. Hillary Clinton was just an awful dog **** human being to everyone besides deep Democratic partisans. Edited September 24 by Communion 1
americanlife Posted September 24 Posted September 24 2 minutes ago, Blade said: I'm glad she's doing this, but will it get done?
Communion Posted September 24 Posted September 24 (edited) Also important to push back on uneducated chaos agents pushing neoliberalism - don't trust people who don't know Wisconsin has black residents - is cause nonsense like this: 28 minutes ago, Sannie said: The left has been given an opportunity to showcase a willingness to compromise and form a coalition to stop the greatest threat to our country ...did 2020 not happen? You're literally describing 2020 lol. We see the pattern. > Deny that Biden won solely due to increased turnout amongst the progressive base. > Attribute this win to crossover Republicans that don't exist. > Constantly demand that the left move further and further right to prove their willingness to "save democracy". Some of you want to have some big world-spanning ideology you can claim sees the world just right...but girlies that's too much for some of yall. Let's stick to baby steps and learning to read exit polls first. Let's leave the waxing poetics about what voters are or aren't causing fascism to those more capable. Edited September 24 by Communion
ZeroSuitBritney Posted September 24 Posted September 24 3 minutes ago, americanlife said: I'm glad she's doing this, but will it get done? No. 1
GhostBox Posted September 24 Posted September 24 6 minutes ago, Blade said: Wow surprisingly shocked she said this 👏🏼👏🏼
tiejc Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Just mailed my ballot here in VA Voted for Harris/Walz, Kaine for the Senate and Beyer for the House. 5
tiejc Posted September 24 Posted September 24 4 minutes ago, Raspberries said: Last time was Trump +3 1
Communion Posted September 24 Posted September 24 There is no path forward for America unless Dems recognize that the filibuster must be removed completely. You will never in the history of America going forward ever.have one party having a majority of 60 Senators ever again. 5
woohoo Posted September 24 Posted September 24 4 minutes ago, Communion said: There is no path forward for America unless Dems recognize that the filibuster must be removed completely. You will never in the history of America going forward ever.have one party having a majority of 60 Senators ever again. Aside from a miracle of Cruz or Scott losing, there goes our justices and filibuster chances. Actually there goes all the progress
ClashAndBurn Posted September 24 Posted September 24 1 hour ago, Sannie said: The former are showing to be much easier to convince than the latter lol. Some of the most ardent, pro-Harris supporters on the Internet are never-Trump Republicans. Many (not all) leftists have flown too close to the sun and have passed the point of no return. If Harris does win, it will show the Dems never have to cater to the left again as Kamala would've won not because of leftists but in spite of them. The left has been given an opportunity to showcase a willingness to compromise and form a coalition to stop the greatest threat to our country and many of them are just refusing to do so. If the mass rounding up and deportation of immigrants, forced detransitioning of trans people, the criminalization of black history, overturning of basic civil rights, and forced births aren't enough for them to care about what's happening in our country, they're not worth being targeted. When you mention these issues, they just scream you're trying to guilt trip or scare them into voting because they've convinced themselves none of these things are happening or will happen. "I'm not voting for Harris no matter what." "OK, we'll target people we think will vote for her." "NOT FAIR!!" What's great is that you showcase here how you think "please stop funding genocide" is too unreasonable of an ask. Bettering healthcare isn't even part of the conversation anymore. Biden saw to that the moment he won the primary off of promising to improve Obamacare and not mentioning it ONCE since he was elected. 3 3
ClashAndBurn Posted September 24 Posted September 24 1 hour ago, Blade said: She's not even going to have 50 Senators at a single point during her presidency though. Like… Senate Dems are permanently cooked. There's no path to them ever having control of the Senate ever again. Just… lol 1 1
Armani? Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Oh no!, the Manchin dickriders won't vote for Kamala, whatever will we do? 1 6
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