VOSS Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 2 hours ago, Vermillion said: This is just dumb. Even though the drugs are expensive, I'd guess they save Medicare a lot of money in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sannie Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 1 hour ago, Rotunda said: 1 hour ago, Rotunda said: This is becoming a new normal. 17 minutes ago, Armani? said: Some of the national crosstabs are starting to clear up CBS News Poll – September 18-20, 2024 Age 18 - 29 : 64% Kamala/36% Trump White - 55% Trump/ 45% Kamala Black - 85% Kamala /13% Trump Hispanic - 59% Kamala/41% Trump Independents - 51% Kamala/48% Trump White College - 54% Kamala/46% Trump Non College White - 62% Trump/38% Kamala NBC News Poll Black voters (85% Kamala-7%), Age 18 - 34 (57% Kamala -34%) Women (58% Kamala -37%), White Voters with college degrees (59% Kamala -38%) Independents (43% Kamala - 35%). White voters without college degrees (61% Trump - 33%). Men -( 52% Trump - 40%) Things are looking good for Miss 'Mala. Independents better show up. Kamala being up 20 with women while Trump is only up 12 with men. Whew. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sannie Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 I'm curious how much of these new numbers are based on the debate? Or do we think falling gas prices in the economy starting to recover or having an effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lil Mistee Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 2 hours ago, Rotunda said: She needs 52 percent for me to feel powerful 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Mistee Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 3 minutes ago, Sannie said: I'm curious how much of these new numbers are based on the debate? Or do we think falling gas prices in the economy starting to recover or having an effect? Why not both 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstreak Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 24 minutes ago, VOSS said: Oh my lord that cannot be real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FameFatale Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FameFatale Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 Oh this could be why Trump went on that all caps rampage post about being great for women when elected we don't want him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RihRihGirrrl Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 2 hours ago, Parachutes said: A travesty. Study found a 56% rise in maternal mortality in Texas from 2019-2022, compared to 11% nationwide. My God I can't imagine being a woman in a state with a Trump abortion ban 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sannie Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 Not Zelensky from Ukraine slated to visit Pennsylvania to thank factory workers for the ammunition they created for his military. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vroom Vroom Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 Reasons to be optimistic about Kamala winning: Kamala is up in the polls and the polls show a very small margin of undecided voters Dems have over performed in the 2022 and 2023 elections, which are bellwethers for the presidential election Ever since Trump took over the Republican Party, after the 2016 election, republicans keep performing poorly in swing state elections The .5 rate cut will decrease inflation and gas prices People wanted a younger choice that wasn't Biden or Trump Democrats are dominating in down ballot polls in swing states. Plus republicans have awful candidates; Kari Lake, Robinson ect. Abortion is on the ballot in a few swing states Kamala is more popular than Trump JD Vance is a disaster Kamala is out raising Trump and receives more donations than him Reasons Trump could win: Biden's presidency was incredibly unpopular and people want new leadership in the White House and people are nostalgic for the pre Covid Trump years Polls underestimated Trump in the past two elections, the same thing could be happening now The last 2 presidential elections were extremely close, so if that pattern holds this one will be a coin flip America is too racist and sexist to elect a black woman as president. No state has even elected a black woman governor yet Trump will shamelessly do or say anything to win the election and elected republicans may interfere with the election results Trump has more name recognition and is the most well known person in the world. Many people do not know who Kamala is or what she stands for A lot of valid reasons for both sides. It will be interesting to see what happens 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 1 hour ago, VOSS said: This is just dumb. Even though the drugs are expensive, I'd guess they save Medicare a lot of money in the long run. Why do some of you out yourselves as working for Big Pharma? Genuinely odd and disturbing of a worldview to go "well, yes, Americans should pay more for products that are sold for 1/10th the price everywhere else". Want Americans to pay more for groceries. Want Americans to pay more for housing. Want Americans to pay more for medications. Are you posting from Russia? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sannie Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 9 minutes ago, Vroom Vroom said: Reasons to be optimistic about Kamala winning: Kamala is up in the polls and the polls show a very small margin of undecided voters Dems have over performed in the 2022 and 2023 elections, which are bellwethers for the presidential election Ever since Trump took over the Republican Party, after the 2016 election, republicans keep performing poorly in swing state elections The .5 rate cut will decrease inflation and gas prices People wanted a younger choice that wasn't Biden or Trump Democrats are dominating in down ballot polls in swing states. Plus republicans have awful candidates; Kari Lake, Robinson ect. Abortion is on the ballot in a few swing states Kamala is more popular than Trump JD Vance is a disaster Kamala is out raising Trump and receives more donations than him Reasons Trump could win: Biden's presidency was incredibly unpopular and people want new leadership in the White House and people are nostalgic for the pre Covid Trump years Polls underestimated Trump in the past two elections, the same thing could be happening now The last 2 presidential elections were extremely close, so if that pattern holds this one will be a coin flip America is too racist and sexist to elect a black woman as president. No state has even elected a black woman governor yet Trump will shamelessly do or say anything to win the election and elected republicans may interfere with the election results Trump has more name recognition and is the most well known person in the world. Many people do not know who Kamala is or what she stands for A lot of valid reasons for both sides. It will be interesting to see what happens IMO, the pro-Kamala part has more objective data to back it up while the pro-Trump part is moreso based on vibes, conjecture, or hypotheticals. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 9 minutes ago, Vroom Vroom said: Trump will shamelessly do or say anything to win the election and elected republicans may interfere with the election results I think this is more likely than one would think. All he needs Republicans to do is hold the House, because the Senate is a guaranteed L for Democrats. Elected Republicans will only put their reputations on the line for a coup if it's guaranteed to succeed. So Susan Collins and Murkowski won't be willing to vote to overturn the election if Dems take the House back, but I do believe that if Republicans hold both chambers, they know that whatever they do will be backed by SCOTUS, so they can freely ignore Kamala Harris's mandate and install Trump instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOSS Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 16 minutes ago, Communion said: Why do some of you out yourselves as working for Big Pharma? Genuinely odd and disturbing of a worldview to go "well, yes, Americans should pay more for products that are sold for 1/10th the price everywhere else". Want Americans to pay more for groceries. Want Americans to pay more for housing. Want Americans to pay more for medications. Are you posting from Russia? Huh? Yeah, Americans massively overpay for drugs and something should be done about it. So say that instead of hyperbolizing about the end of Medicare. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Relampago. Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 (edited) Great Kamala polls this morning Also I'm tired of seeing the Jubilee videos about Trump/Harris tbh I hate that debate format because both Charlie Kirk and the blonde guy take such a Ben Shapiro approach to debating, where they memorize a lot of information and throw it at their opponent to blitz them without really breaking down what they're saying and addressing every point. I hate that, and the video clip making the rounds right now with the guy clocking the misogynistic girl on Kamala sleeping to the top is a good example. He was right to shut her down on that stupid ass point, but she did bring up how Kamala worked for a firm that knowingly jailed Black and Brown people with false positives in drug tests. That kinda got swept under the rug because giving any ground to valid points like that would be considered "losing" I guess. The argument on the origin of the word "fetus" with Charlie Kirk was also so stupid. Who gives a **** when words change meanings, but because he got that "gotcha!" it seemed like he won when it was just a stupid point to even bring up in the first place. Abortion isn't a debate on definitions of words, it's a debate on bodily autonomy which is why these pro-lifers always pivot to dumb arguments like that. I just prefer honest conversation rather than trying to "win" an argument, which I've said before in here, but those Jubilee videos don't work like that. Edited September 22 by Relampago. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian14 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 I honestly believe that Michelle Obama should have been a candidate. She had a better chance of winning. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sannie Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 Probably one of the better messaging campaigns Dems have had this season. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 (edited) 27 minutes ago, VOSS said: Huh? Yeah, Americans massively overpay for drugs and something should be done about it. So say that instead of hyperbolizing about the end of Medicare. What do you think happens when Medicare has a finite amount of funding yet perpetually is subsidizing the profits of rich drug companies? There's direct correlation from the continued stretching-thin of Medicare and the proliferation of private Medicare Advantage plans. It's not by-chance that most other developed nations 1) pay less for healthcare and see healthcare not operate as a for-profit industry and 2) ensure baseline universal access. These things require one another. You cannot increase access - whether for healthcare, housing, etc. - and record profits. Sanders isn't hyperbolic. He is being clear - and why his Medicare For All plan understands the need to abolish private insurance and cap drug prices - that the continued proliferation of healthcare as a for-profit industry means that less and less people will be able to have access to healthcare. Let alone that, while studies may prove differently decades for now, the rhetoric on ozempic and similar medications is that it requires users to maintain dosage in perpetuity. Edited September 22 by Communion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotunda Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 8 minutes ago, Adrian14 said: I honestly believe that Michelle Obama should have been a candidate. She had a better chance of winning. Michelle did not and will not ever want to be president. If she wanted to be president she'd likely be president. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RihRihGirrrl Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 13 minutes ago, Adrian14 said: I honestly believe that Michelle Obama should have been a candidate. She had a better chance of winning. Michelle is not into politics...like at all. I can't see her ever running for President Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relampago. Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 17 minutes ago, Adrian14 said: I honestly believe that Michelle Obama should have been a candidate. She had a better chance of winning. My conservative mother who has never voted Democrat in any election said she'd vote for Michelle instantly if she ran. But Michelle always said she didn't like politics and had no interest in being president, and I think it would do her no favors to go back on that. She's a woman of integrity and I admire that about her, so I'm happy she's sticking to her guns on that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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