Vermillion Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Indeed. I don't believe Fetterman 2024 is really on the table anyway. Earliest he could possibly run is 2032, since we can all pretty much assume at this point that Kamala's going to have the path cleared for her and any "primary" that takes place is simply going to be a useless clown show. Bold predictions: 2024: Joe runs, probably loses to Trump because people have misplaced anger and resentment over inflation/recession, and the Ukraine war will probably still be grinding on like it has since 2014. 2028: Kamala's the nominee, loses to DeSantis in a massive landslide. 2032: DeSantis is the incumbent and will probably be super popular to normies/independents since he'll have Trump's policies without the idiocy. Following that trajectory, the only thing the left has to hope for because single-issue ballot referendums are deliberately impossible to launch in multiple red states so there goes another Kansas-like motivator and forget Dems getting any sense of initiative or drive on even attempting more executive actions on issues that base actually wants......is enough SCOTUS backlash when they come for the issues Clarence laid out. The left anger in backlash turn-out on any issue has to be 5-6 points minimum for any movement in different candidates winning or success on ballot initiatives because of built-in disadvantages in gerrymandering, etc. As of now the only thing that I see getting enough of the roughly 60 million that don't vote off their ass for those kind of numbers is if further restrictions are attempted on birth control.
ClashAndBurn Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Espresso said: Following that trajectory, the only thing the left has to hope for because single-issue ballot referendums are deliberately impossible to launch in multiple red states so there goes another Kansas-like motivator and forget Dems getting any sense of initiative or drive on even attempting more executive actions on issues that base actually wants......is enough SCOTUS backlash when they come for the issues Clarence laid out. The left anger in backlash turn-out on any issue has to be 5-6 points minimum for any movement in different candidates winning or success on ballot initiatives because of built-in disadvantages in gerrymandering, etc. As of now the only thing that I see getting enough of the roughly 60 million that don't vote off their ass for those kind of numbers is if further restrictions are attempted on birth control. GOP just needs to course-correct and not get too greedy before they permanently entrench themselves. If the conservatives had actually gone with Roberts on Dobbs, then the GOP would unironically be in a much better position than they are right now I think, and the midterms would in fact be more in line with being a referendum on the massively unpopular President Biden (who frankly zero actual people that aren't diehard liberals have any faith in anymore). And with Clarence Thomas running his mouth on what he wants to go next, there might be... issues going forward. Josh Hawley already gave the game away when he said the plan is to make life so unbearable in states like Georgia and Arizona that people will be compelled to leave, making it so the Republicans have a permanent Electoral College advantage. Virginia's next legislative elections will be crucial, because if Youngkin is given a blank check to implement any of his preferred policies, then the days of that state leaning blue may be over as the NoVa liberals flee into DC and Maryland.
Vermillion Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 Not all Cuban immigrants to Florida are legal, but I'm going to just break the ice here and safely assume this will only apply to darker skinned migrants like Haitians.
Kassi Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 Why even conflate unrelated budget items? What does Ukraine have to do with M4A or a child tax credit? When Congress passed the tax credits, they weren’t thinking about Ukraine, and when they passed Ukraine aid, they weren’t thinking about tax credits. It’s a very weird framing device cause it presupposes that government can’t do both foreign and domestic policy at the same time. In reality, the constitution explicitly charges the federal government with responsibility over foreign policy while barring states from enacting their own. Meanwhile, states can pass their own domestic policies, so it’s not even all on the federal government. If anything, people would (and do) argue that federal government should ONLY do foreign policy. But I digress. Long story short, that line of attack isn’t giving what they think it’s giving.
Communion Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Kassi said: Why even conflate unrelated budget items? This doesn't become a confusing complaint when you've actually lived in poverty. And no; this isn't an attack. I'm literally answering your queation. It's a simple basis of resentment. Resentment is the most powerful tool there is. It literally formed the basis of Trump's movement. . Why are Dem elites prioritizing aid to Ukraine while letting American children go hungry? You can mock them and call them rural or rednecks or backwards bur that is your average American's view to such foreign policy news, ie: "why do my children go hungry or suffer while my tax dollars leave my country?". Dems shifting to a more affluent cosmopolitan base had strayed them from the common sense of keeping people well-fed enough to not care about what activities their government is doing outside of their borders. Edited August 20, 2022 by Communion
Kassi Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 56 minutes ago, Communion said: This doesn't become a confusing complaint when you've actually lived in poverty. And no; this isn't an attack. I'm literally answering your queation. It's a simple basis of resentment. Resentment is the most powerful tool there is. It literally formed the basis of Trump's movement. . Why are Dem elites prioritizing aid to Ukraine while letting American children go hungry? You can mock them and call them rural or rednecks or backwards bur that is your average American's view to such foreign policy news, ie: "why do my children go hungry or suffer while my tax dollars leave my country?". Dems shifting to a more affluent cosmopolitan base had strayed them from the common sense of keeping people well-fed enough to not care about what activities their government is doing outside of their borders. It becomes peoples view only if its reported as such. That’s the propaganda aspect of it. Both Fox News and leftists framing Ukraine aid as oppositional to domestic policy/social programs is a means to achieving similar ends, damaging Biden. Cause there’s no sense, even common sense (which I’m sure rednecks have), in taking that position. You could just as easily make the disingenuous framing that, since the US spends more per capita on healthcare, M4A shoring up the inefficiencies would free even more money for the military. While stupid and inaccurate, at least it’s logical. Harping on about pre-allocated spending that already passed Congress in MAY is stupid, inaccurate, and illogical. It literally can’t be used for anything else. If the conservative media and horseshoe leftists were serious about America’s starving children, they would raise a stink about Republicans playing games with funding for school meals… as its OWN alarming development, apart from Ukraine (which has nothing to do with domestic policy).
rihannabiggestfan Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 EXACTLY. "Dems are conservative, they just tell themselves they're progressive." Like how Hillary and Biden literally lie and call themselves progressives (Biden saying "I have the most progressive record out of everyone who would run" ) and how neolibs pretend Pelosi is progressive despite her being a corrupt center-right insider trader. Independents know the tea but far-right Democrats would pretend that Cheney is underwater among Independents because she "isn't right-wing enough!1" and any "Democrat" who is more ideologically aligned with Republican Liz Cheney than with consecutive 2-time first-in-the-nation (aka New Hampshire) Democrat Primary winner Bernie Sanders should register as a Republican already.
Vroom Vroom Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 Biden is the most progressive US president of all time
Kassi Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 Pelosi is the most progressive US Speaker of all time
Kassi Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 Also, Democrats liking Liz for putting Republicans in disarray isn’t a notable development. If leftists weren’t so pre-occupied with tarnishing Biden’s legacy, they too would be able to sit back and enjoy the unraveling of Republican politics
GhostBox Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, Vroom Vroom said: Biden is the most progressive US president of all time Yep. Him and his administration are. Thats just a fact ?
Communion Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 25 minutes ago, Vroom Vroom said: Biden is the most progressive US president of all time 22 minutes ago, Kassi said: Pelosi is the most progressive US Speaker of all time 14 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Yep. Him and his administration are.
rihannabiggestfan Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Communion said: nnn they're serving Trumpian teas
Kassi Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 19 minutes ago, Communion said: Lighten up, Jack.
Vroom Vroom Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, rihannabiggestfan said: nnn they're serving Trumpian teas The First Step Act was the only positive thing to come out of Trump’s administration (Cory Booker did all the work, but Trump gets the credit for it) . If Trump would of taken his head out of his ass, he would of had way more bipartisan accomplishments. Nancy and Chuck were begging him to work with them back then Thanks to Trump’s inability to make smart political decisions, Biden got to sign the infrastructure bill into law instead.
GhostBox Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 21 minutes ago, Communion said: I mean the facts are the facts. True He and his admin may not be as “progressive” as YOU want. But he and his administration when compared to others is the most progressive we have ever had. ?????
GhostBox Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Vroom Vroom said: The First Step Act was the only positive thing to come out of Trump’s administration (Cory Booker did all the work, but Trump gets the credit for it) . If Trump would of taken his head out of his ass, he would of had way more bipartisan accomplishments. Nancy and Chuck were begging him to work with them back then Thanks to Trump’s inability to make smart political decisions, Biden got to sign the infrastructure bill into law instead. Yea it’s why he constantly had “infrastructure week” for 4 years. He couldn’t work with people not even his own party to get anything done.
Kassi Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 This man is SO powerful Wow. That delivery. This should be run as a commercial every hour on Fox News.
Kassi Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 Get ready gorls, we’re about to start hearing a lot about the southern border in these coming months if the media don’t find sumn else to latch on to
Armani? Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 1 hour ago, GhostBox said: I mean the facts are the facts. True He and his admin may not be as “progressive” as YOU want. But he and his administration when compared to others is the most progressive we have ever had. ????? Even if this were true, it's laughable because Biden isn't a Progressive What exactly are you celebrating? "The most progressive US president" was trying to do a deal with Mitch McConnell to install a anti abortion judicial nominee
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