GhostBox Posted September 10 Posted September 10 (edited) 1 minute ago, FameFatale said: They've been pushing the "people who worked with him won't endorse him" route and I don't think that is sticking with undecided voters. I think most of the undecided voters know how he is, they want more about her and her policy and personal details. That's why they're stuck in the middle. She needs to do both. it's a sad reality but alot of people have forgotten how bad Trump really was. She needs to remind people of that but also promote and introduce herself. Edited September 10 by GhostBox 1
Communion Posted September 10 Posted September 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sannie said: These are the people leftists Friendly reminder that Biden for the first 2 years of his presidency was using the full brutality of Trump's previous work to terrorize Haitian migrants and including them in the mass deportations occuring under him keeping Trump's Title 42 policy in place due to COVID: And it was only under leftist pressure did the Biden admin fold and begin expanding additional ports of entry to Haitian migrants crossing the border via a parole program (leftists pushing for this even with most in this program being right wing migrants from places like Cuba and Venezula that ultimately oppose leftist goals, when it'd just be as "easy" for leftists to join in on the brutality aimed against said migrants groups and yet we dont): And yet we're still seeing the Biden-Harris admin bounce between what has worked in degrees vs returning to reactionary nativist immigration ideas as conservatives try to leverage the issue and how domestic policies to make a "controlled stream" of "steady migration" clash with the realities of foreign policy that make such "good for optics" center-right immigration policies inevitably unstable even with tweaks and fixes. Edited September 10 by Communion 5
FameFatale Posted September 10 Posted September 10 7 minutes ago, Blade said: Trump is going to spew a lot of lies tonight including Kamala locking up thousands upon thousands of Black men and how she led to the "migrant takeover" of that apartment. Stuff like that. I fear she needs to not just defend herself but attack Trump as well. She can't just say "that's not true" and move on. Bring up the central park 5. Bring up Trump calling for police immunity and how that will disproportionately affect unarmed Black men. Does anyone else think it'd be a good idea for her closing statement to refer to a fact checker on her website for all the lies Trump will tell tonight? Trump will be the one who gets the final word. He could say some things she cannot offer a rebuttal. I agree on the fact checker. I think that was a big negative during the last debate with Biden/Trump. He was spewing lies left and right but it had ZERO pushback.
ClashAndBurn Posted September 10 Posted September 10 28 minutes ago, FameFatale said: Apparently Trump is wanting to bring out a MAGA hat and present it to Kamala on stage tonight because they say she's been copying his policies, especially the no tax on tips thing. Perhaps one of the few times Trump has ever told the truth anyway, more evidence of Kamala chasing right-wing appeal 3
Thuggin Posted September 10 Posted September 10 16 minutes ago, FameFatale said: They've been pushing the "people who worked with him won't endorse him" route and I don't think that is sticking with undecided voters. I think most of the undecided voters know how he is, they want more about her and her policy and personal details. That's why they're stuck in the middle. No former Republican President, VP, Presidential nominee, or Vice Presidential nominee besides Palin - including Trump's own former VP - is endorsing Trump AND Trump's current VP used to oppose him, and people do not care I don't know why they're wasting their time with this 5
Sannie Posted September 10 Posted September 10 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Blade said: Trump is going to spew a lot of lies tonight including Kamala locking up thousands upon thousands of Black men and how she led to the "migrant takeover" of that apartment. Stuff like that. I fear she needs to not just defend herself but attack Trump as well. She can't just say "that's not true" and move on. Bring up the central park 5. Bring up Trump calling for police immunity and how that will disproportionately affect unarmed Black men. Does anyone else think it'd be a good idea for her closing statement to refer to a fact checker on her website for all the lies Trump will tell tonight? Trump will be the one who gets the final word. He could say some things she cannot offer a rebuttal. This is the only part that worries me. How does one rebut obvious, ridiculous lies? He tells lies so swiftly and aggressively it can be hard to push back because of the sheer stupidity. You can't really rebut with facts when what you're rebutting is ridiculously, bizarrely stupid. I don't think fact checking matters, sadly. She has to have her closing statement be a big message to people to encourage them to vote for her. I think her closing statement should be a message directly to the American people. I came across a TikTok the other day from a woman who said something really clever: the ballot box is private and no one will know who you vote for. If you live among conservatives and are afraid of backlash, they don't have to know you voted to protect your daughter, your mother, your sister. You can vote for the safety of your future, your family, and our democracy and no one will ever know. She worded it better than that, but I think it would be a poignant message to women who will help be the deciding factor. 24 minutes ago, FameFatale said: They've been pushing the "people who worked with him won't endorse him" route and I don't think that is sticking with undecided voters. I think most of the undecided voters know how he is, they want more about her and her policy and personal details. That's why they're stuck in the middle. Not Scaramucci... I've been listening to his podcast lately and I kind of like him. 46 minutes ago, FameFatale said: Apparently Trump is wanting to bring out a MAGA hat and present it to Kamala on stage tonight because they say she's been copying his policies, especially the no tax on tips thing. She should pretend to look at the tag and go, "made in China. As expected." Edited September 10 by Sannie
cloudbusting Posted September 10 Posted September 10 (edited) the capitulating to the right has been such a bizarre (and frustrating) decision from Kamala and her team and a big reason why my enthusiasm has diminished. like yeah, my ultimate base goal is still to see Trump perish lose, but it would be nice to get more than just like… the bare minimum. something to truly be excited about idk it felt like we were on the cusp of that with the Walz VP pick, but it's dissipated with some of the policy proposals and flaunting conservative endorsements. im still hoping for a solid performance at the debate, and maybe He will have some sort of awful health emergency flub of a night Edited September 10 by cloudbusting 6 1
GhostBox Posted September 10 Posted September 10 1 hour ago, FameFatale said: And yet the moderators tonight won't bring it up and confront Trump about this lie is campaign is peddling
eyeroll Posted September 10 Posted September 10 I'm more excited for the VP debate tbh. I wish they did a doubles debate so we could see the full ticket for each side on stage all at once. 1
justin. Posted September 10 Posted September 10 I am so nervous, sisters. This is likely the make or break moment for Harris (unless a catastrophic October surprise drops).
Relampago. Posted September 10 Posted September 10 3 minutes ago, justin. said: I am so nervous, sisters. This is likely the make or break moment for Harris (unless a catastrophic October surprise drops). Not to say I'm not worried at all, but I don't think there's any reason to be super worried or excited. This debate will be Trump doing Trump things and Kamala holding her own. She'll never be as bad as Biden was, it's just not gonna happen. She has nowhere to go but up compared to that. The most likely outcome is that she does alright, caters to the right as she does, we get mad about it, Trump says 600,000 Haitians are raiding the Miami City Hall as we speak, no one ends up caring and the needle doesn't move and we're in the same tight race we've been in since August started. Just enjoy the show because this is more than likely going to end up as inconsequential. If anything, Kamala might get a cute boost if she can present herself to the American people in a way that actually defines who she is. That's all. 13
Sannie Posted September 10 Posted September 10 4 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Not to say I'm not worried at all, but I don't think there's any reason to be super worried or excited. This debate will be Trump doing Trump things and Kamala holding her own. She'll never be as bad as Biden was, it's just not gonna happen. She has nowhere to go but up compared to that. The most likely outcome is that she does alright, caters to the right as she does, we get mad about it, Trump says 600,000 Haitians are raiding the Miami City Hall as we speak, no one ends up caring and the needle doesn't move and we're in the same tight race we've been in since August started. Just enjoy the show because this is more than likely going to end up as inconsequential. If anything, Kamala might get a cute boost if she can present herself to the American people in a way that actually defines who she is. That's all. dddddd This is the sad truth.
GhostBox Posted September 10 Posted September 10 6 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Not to say I'm not worried at all, but I don't think there's any reason to be super worried or excited. This debate will be Trump doing Trump things and Kamala holding her own. She'll never be as bad as Biden was, it's just not gonna happen. She has nowhere to go but up compared to that. The most likely outcome is that she does alright, caters to the right as she does, we get mad about it, Trump says 600,000 Haitians are raiding the Miami City Hall as we speak, no one ends up caring and the needle doesn't move and we're in the same tight race we've been in since August started. Just enjoy the show because this is more than likely going to end up as inconsequential. If anything, Kamala might get a cute boost if she can present herself to the American people in a way that actually defines who she is. That's all. Agreed 💀 also if Trump doenst outright win this debate I don't think we will have another one.
DR0GO Posted September 10 Posted September 10 Oprah Winfrey to host virtual 'Unite for America' event for Harris The former daytime talk show host will lead a free, livestreamed Sep. 19 event called "Unite for America," organizers announced Monday. Winfrey is partnering with Win with Black Women and more than 140 other pro-Harris grassroots groups for the virtual gathering. 1
DR0GO Posted September 10 Posted September 10 15 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Not to say I'm not worried at all, but I don't think there's any reason to be super worried or excited. This debate will be Trump doing Trump things and Kamala holding her own. She'll never be as bad as Biden was, it's just not gonna happen. She has nowhere to go but up compared to that. The most likely outcome is that she does alright, caters to the right as she does, we get mad about it, Trump says 600,000 Haitians are raiding the Miami City Hall as we speak, no one ends up caring and the needle doesn't move and we're in the same tight race we've been in since August started. Just enjoy the show because this is more than likely going to end up as inconsequential. If anything, Kamala might get a cute boost if she can present herself to the American people in a way that actually defines who she is. That's all. Pretty spot on.
spree Posted September 10 Posted September 10 15 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Not to say I'm not worried at all, but I don't think there's any reason to be super worried or excited. This debate will be Trump doing Trump things and Kamala holding her own. She'll never be as bad as Biden was, it's just not gonna happen. She has nowhere to go but up compared to that. The most likely outcome is that she does alright, caters to the right as she does, we get mad about it, Trump says 600,000 Haitians are raiding the Miami City Hall as we speak, no one ends up caring and the needle doesn't move and we're in the same tight race we've been in since August started. Just enjoy the show because this is more than likely going to end up as inconsequential. If anything, Kamala might get a cute boost if she can present herself to the American people in a way that actually defines who she is. That's all. who knows, maybe Trump will stroke out on stage. He's done it before. Maybe he'll start calling her Biden or Obama. 2
Armani? Posted September 10 Posted September 10 Just now, GhostBox said: Another one 👏🏼 The fact the D rated pollster has the most realistic outcome
Bamboo Posted September 10 Posted September 10 When Kamala loses the popular vote but wins the electoral college then what
Mrs Smartie Posted September 10 Posted September 10 6 minutes ago, Bamboo said: When Kamala loses the popular vote but wins the electoral college then what That's what I've been wonderinh myself. How feasible would it be that this all ended up being a 2016 reverse experience. There would be havoc
Blade Posted September 10 Posted September 10 6 minutes ago, Bamboo said: When Kamala loses the popular vote but wins the electoral college then what The way that for the first time in 20+ years this is actually a more likely scenario for the Democrat than ever before. I think we're not ready for the CA and NY rightward shifts.
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