Sannie Posted September 9 Posted September 9 1 hour ago, Bloo said: Do you not understand the word "symbolic"? I never said this example is proof she's no different than Biden. I said it's a symbolic example of how little thought has been put into her policies. The actual problem is that she has run so little on policy, that she has chosen to run a more vibes-based campaign and isn't championing popular policy, etc. The lack of policy substance is something that is being noted by journalists. I'm not saying that one text ad is the sole example of this larger issue. It's just a naked, symbolic representation of a much larger problem. Yes, despite your condescension, I do in fact know what "symbolic" means. A contracted web developer, who most likely has no connection to the actual campaign, forgetting to update the meta data of a web template means nothing. It is not symbolic to anyone other than people like you who want to try and shoehorn a meaning into it. But now that she has an actual policy page, the goalposts do need to be moved. Next stop: symbolic gestures. 9 minutes ago, Blade said: If Kamala wins, I think she'll have her Lose By Less strategy in rural parts of swing states to thank. This is totally ~vibes~ based but I've seen multiple anecdotes about people in rural areas seeing less enthusiasm for Trump than 2020. If there's even a slightly less rural turn out in 2024 combined with Kamala making small inroads with rural voters that could be the decider. 100%. I've seen people complain about her "wasting money" in rural areas, but, like, she has half a billion to spend and pulling in any amount in rural areas only adds to what'll be a big amount from the metro areas. The more, the merrier! 18 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Pretty good polls for Harris Nate Silver: I've Decided to Deduct 5 Points From This IPSOS Poll. 1 3 1
GhostBox Posted September 9 Posted September 9 (edited) 26 minutes ago, on the line said: Nah. We had an assassination attempt on one of the candidates by someone in their own parry, and it's nearly forgotten today. The political news cycle works so fast now. Today's catastrophe is tomorrow's forgotten joke. I agree. Even if she does great and Trump doesn't. The news cycle will move on in a week. The media doenst seems to want to talk about Trump like they did Biden. Edited September 9 by GhostBox
Sannie Posted September 9 Posted September 9 Look, let's not put too many eggs into this debate. She could demolish Trump and the media and Trumpers would turn into Hellen Keller. What she needs to do, imo, is treat this debate as a way to communicate directly with the American people. If she focuses on the American people, nothing the media does will matter. I know she wants to trigger Trump, and that will be funny to watch, but she should ultimately ignore him and try to pivot everything back to a winning message. Let him squirm as he attempts and fails to get under her skin. 8
GhostBox Posted September 9 Posted September 9 This seems so similar to the things we were reading around this time in 2016 except for Hillary's campaign. 💀
Blade Posted September 9 Posted September 9 Why are R's pushing this Haitian immigrant ****? The (unfortunate) reality is that immigrant fear mongering works when it's limited to "they take jobs and do crime!!" Spreading lies about a specific group of immigrants coming to eat your pets and park animals is deranged even for them. 3
i spit on haters Posted September 9 Posted September 9 When Kamala wins. When. I need you guys to stop this "If" nonsense. It's OVER for Trump and Maga this election cycle. 4
byzantium Posted September 9 Posted September 9 1 hour ago, spree said: tomorrow's debate will be the most important debate of all time. I am 99.9% sure the July debate might retain that record. We lost a candidate because of that one. 1
FameFatale Posted September 9 Posted September 9 10 minutes ago, Blade said: Why are R's pushing this Haitian immigrant ****? The (unfortunate) reality is that immigrant fear mongering works when it's limited to "they take jobs and do crime!!" Spreading lies about a specific group of immigrants coming to eat your pets and park animals is deranged even for them. Like wtf is this? 3
shelven Posted September 9 Posted September 9 27 minutes ago, GhostBox said: I really do believe she squeaks out a win NC. My fear continues to be that the Governor race will be a lot closer than polls are currently showing. There are absolutely people right now who claim to be undecided or leaning Stein because they're in denial about being the type of person who will vote for someone as heinous as Robinson out of partisanship. I think Stein still wins, but I don't think it ends up being a huge blowout that Harris gets to ride in on. Not saying she'll lose NC - the state is clearly going to be close unless polls are very off again - but I wouldn't read too much into how Stein's polling will affect the top of the ticket. 2
Sannie Posted September 9 Posted September 9 4 minutes ago, FameFatale said: My only worry is that Trump becomes so nonsensical that it makes it hard for Kamala to even respond. He absolutely has no idea how to articulate his "plans" for any of these things. If Kamala has to run offense the entire time because he lies about Biden's record, how will she be able to accurately articulate her message? Although there is no evidence of "reverse coattails" being a thing, with the Presidential margin being so small, it's hard to believe Kamala loses NC if the governor race is really this insane. 1
GhostBox Posted September 9 Posted September 9 You know they are losing because they are making up immigrants eating pets stories now 💀 1
Tovitov Posted September 9 Posted September 9 1 minute ago, Armani? said: A massive poll with some of the best methodology in the buisness. Something of note though, Nate Cohn(the guy who runs the NYTs poll) says that Pew is using the same voter file from earlier in the year when Biden was leading the ticket. He points out that it had a Republican voter advantage but since Harris took over and democrats are now more enthusiastic, this poll might be undercounting democrats. 3
Sannie Posted September 9 Posted September 9 The Trump campaign has entered the "brown people will eat your pets" phase of this election cycle. Things are totally going well over there. 1
Jackson Posted September 9 Posted September 9 1 hour ago, Sannie said: Look, let's not put too many eggs into this debate. She could demolish Trump and the media and Trumpers would turn into Hellen Keller. What she needs to do, imo, is treat this debate as a way to communicate directly with the American people. If she focuses on the American people, nothing the media does will matter. I know she wants to trigger Trump, and that will be funny to watch, but she should ultimately ignore him and try to pivot everything back to a winning message. Let him squirm as he attempts and fails to get under her skin. Totally agree Nate Cohn was on The Daily this morning saying Harris needs to make the election about Trump and I can't think of much worse advice. This is our third straight election with Trump on the ballot. People know how they feel about him and their views are unlikely to change. She needs to offer her vision for the future and convince voters that she can make their life better and move us past this era of politics we've been stuck in for the past 8 years. There are essentially 0 voters out there that are one Trump meltdown away from voting for Harris. 4
Tovitov Posted September 9 Posted September 9 Also, Harris is +6 with Women while Trump is +6 with men yet they're tied? Usually women voters outnumber men so you'd think she'd have a small lead but what do I know
FameFatale Posted September 9 Posted September 9 5 minutes ago, Sannie said: The Trump campaign has entered the "brown people will eat your pets" phase of this election cycle. Things are totally going well over there. Guess the caravans broke down.
FameFatale Posted September 9 Posted September 9 35 minutes ago, Sannie said: My only worry is that Trump becomes so nonsensical that it makes it hard for Kamala to even respond. He absolutely has no idea how to articulate his "plans" for any of these things. If Kamala has to run offense the entire time because he lies about Biden's record, how will she be able to accurately articulate her message? I could see him running down the "Look at the economy, look at the border, look at the migrant crime the last 4 years! Under my administration we didn't have x,y, or z" route. Just like the last debate, he never answered the question he was asked. He would go rambling about "migrant crime and the border!!" every single answer.
GhostBox Posted September 9 Posted September 9 25 minutes ago, Armani? said: So pretty much the same as their last. was +1 for Harris with Kennedy on it.
GhostBox Posted September 9 Posted September 9 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Tovitov said: Also, Harris is +6 with Women while Trump is +6 with men yet they're tied? Usually women voters outnumber men so you'd think she'd have a small lead but what do I know Not only that but completely taking Kennedy off the question is stupid. He's going to be on many of the state ballots. Including some swing states 💀 Edited September 9 by GhostBox
Armani? Posted September 9 Posted September 9 The crosstabs in that poll has Kamala improving with Black 84%(+7) & Hispanic voters 57%(+5) compared to their last poll, 18 - 29 is also at 63%(+6) for Kamala now at least. 4
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