Armani? Posted September 1 Posted September 1 1 hour ago, VOSS said: Would they really be able to suspend the filibuster with 51 votes though? Are there not other D senators who oppose it even without Manchin and Sinema? There's always some rotating villain hiding
ClashAndBurn Posted September 1 Posted September 1 (edited) 2 hours ago, Vroom Vroom said: Kamala becoming president and dems having a majority in senate and house (in 2024 or 2026) will indirectly give progressive policies more pathways in the future Kamala plans on suspending the filibuster to codify Roe V Wade. If this is done, the filibuster will be weakened significantly. After that bell has been rung, both parties will have an easier time overriding the filibuster to pass bills. This means progressive policies would have an easier time getting passed with only 51 votes in the Senate There is zero pathway to Democrats ever even having 50 seats again after this year if they lose the Senate. Ossoff is most likely cooked, especially if Kemp runs for his seat - but even MTG would be more favored. And once he's out, that's basically it. This year is the friendliest Senate map Dems have for the rest of the decade and they're extremely likely to lose no matter what happens at the top of the ticket. Edited September 1 by ClashAndBurn 1 1 1
Blankspace2010 Posted September 1 Posted September 1 50 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Sad news And no doubt he was murdered by US weapons levelling Gaza. 1 3 4
rihannabiggestfan Posted September 1 Posted September 1 (edited) 14 hours ago, shelven said: I really hope they don't actually go the "he's old" route because that will SO easily backfire All Trump has to say in response is "well if you're so worried about how old I am, why did you spend months lying to the American people that Biden was fit to serve another term when he's even older than I am?" She is such fake, opportunistic scum truly Hillary 2.0 but with worse (aka non-existent) public speaking skills and a complete empty suit: she has ZERO ideology (and even Hillary didn't flip-flop as much as her). The way she had no issue with Biden's feeble, senile octogenarian ass but is triggered by Trump's age reminds me of how she went from (accurately) calling out Biden for being a racist segregationist ... to becoming his VP: the epitome of inauthentic and disingenuous. I've never seen someone so shamelessly desperate to climb the political ladder (thus, it's not surprising that she, like Trump, supports the genocide of brown people). I wish Bernie would ruthlessly drag her closeted Republican ass the way Hillary drags leftists, but he's more subtle and low-key with his drags Edited September 1 by rihannabiggestfan 1 1 1 18
thesegayz Posted September 1 Posted September 1 5 hours ago, Blankspace2010 said: And no doubt he was murdered by US weapons levelling Gaza. This is why I can't take discussion on this forum/thread/subject seriously. A legitimate terrorist organization (Hamas) attacks Israel and takes Israelis hostage, and yet for some of you, it's only plausible that a Hamas hostage died because of the USA. Open your eyes and get out of your echo chambers. There can be evil on both sides of this war, BECAUSE THERE IS. An evil psychopath who won't let go of power in Israel to avoid prosecution and an evil terrorist organization that pretends to be a democratically elected government. 1 9
ClashAndBurn Posted September 1 Posted September 1 5 hours ago, rihannabiggestfan said: She is such fake, opportunistic scum truly Hillary 2.0 but with worse (aka non-existent) public speaking skills and a complete empty suit: she has ZERO ideology (and even Hillary didn't flip-flop as much as her). The way she had no issue with Biden's feeble, senile octogenarian ass but is triggered by Trump's age reminds me of how she went from (accurately) calling out Biden for being a racist segregationist ... to becoming his VP: the epitome of inauthentic and disingenuous. I've never seen someone so shamelessly desperate to climb the political ladder (thus, it's not surprising that she, like Trump, supports the genocide of brown people). I wish Bernie would ruthlessly drag her closeted Republican ass the way Hillary drags leftists, but he's more subtle and low-key with his drags They mass downvoted you because you're right. 1
Harrier Posted September 1 Posted September 1 1 hour ago, thesegayz said: This is why I can't take discussion on this forum/thread/subject seriously. A legitimate terrorist organization (Hamas) attacks Israel and takes Israelis hostage, and yet for some of you, it's only plausible that a Hamas hostage died because of the USA. Open your eyes and get out of your echo chambers. There can be evil on both sides of this war, BECAUSE THERE IS. An evil psychopath who won't let go of power in Israel to avoid prosecution and an evil terrorist organization that pretends to be a democratically elected government. I've long backed off of fighting the pro-Hamas left on this issue because Israel is so clearly the greater villain at this current moment, but let's not be letting the hostage taker off the hook for the dead hostage Plenty of blame to go around for this poor man's death 2 1
Blankspace2010 Posted September 1 Posted September 1 1 hour ago, thesegayz said: This is why I can't take discussion on this forum/thread/subject seriously. A legitimate terrorist organization (Hamas) attacks Israel and takes Israelis hostage, and yet for some of you, it's only plausible that a Hamas hostage died because of the USA. Open your eyes and get out of your echo chambers. There can be evil on both sides of this war, BECAUSE THERE IS. An evil psychopath who won't let go of power in Israel to avoid prosecution and an evil terrorist organization that pretends to be a democratically elected government. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-angered-over-footage-depicting-hamas-treatment-of-released-israeli-hostages/3068308 https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-hostage-s-praise-of-hamas-treatment-of-her-triggers-criticism-in-israel/3031487# meanwhile: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/7/9/why-did-israel-deploy-hannibal-directive-allowing-killing-of-own-citizens https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-hamas-war-idf-palestinian-prisoner-alleged-rape-sde-teinman-abuse-protest/ 4
dman4life Posted September 1 Posted September 1 (edited) On a much lighter note in this thread the fact that Tulsi Gabbard and Kari Lake are actually nice looking women is so annoying to me What on earth does Scott Jennings have on CNN?? I usually don't watch it on weekends but I randomly turned it on today and first thing I see is his smug smirk wtf Edited September 1 by dman4life
ClashAndBurn Posted September 1 Posted September 1 Politicians being religious fanatics is…. not good, so he should stop acting like being a devout Catholic is anything that should be praised 2
TrymeB Posted September 1 Posted September 1 1 hour ago, dman4life said: On a much lighter note in this thread the fact that Tulsi Gabbard and Kari Lake are actually nice looking women is so annoying to me What on earth does Scott Jennings have on CNN?? I usually don't watch it on weekends but I randomly turned it on today and first thing I see is his smug smirk wtf Tulsi is gorgeous. Kari? Umm no. That weird RPDR season 1 filter she uses makes her look like she is dead and they are using a hologram of her. Scott Jennings and that bald Trumper on CNN need to go. CNN will realise their mistake hiring these two morons in 2025 like they realised having Kaylie McEnnany(?) was a mistake. All in the name of balance with that "both sides" drivel.
shelven Posted September 1 Posted September 1 Harris getting super close to flipping to a positive net favourability on 538's average. One or two more high-quality polls where she's in the positive (assuming we don't also get high-quality polls showing her with a big negative) should do it. 1
Communion Posted September 1 Posted September 1 4 hours ago, thesegayz said: This is why I can't take discussion on this forum/thread/subject seriously. A legitimate terrorist organization (Hamas) attacks Israel and takes Israelis hostage, and yet for some of you, it's only plausible that a Hamas hostage died because of the USA. Open your eyes and get out of your echo chambers. There can be evil on both sides of this war, BECAUSE THERE IS. An evil psychopath who won't let go of power in Israel to avoid prosecution and an evil terrorist organization that pretends to be a democratically elected government. 3 hours ago, Harriser said: I've long backed off of fighting the pro-Hamas left on this issue because Israel is so clearly the greater villain at this current moment, but let's not be letting the hostage taker off the hook for the dead hostage Plenty of blame to go around for this poor man's death "It doesn't matter if these people died from bombs collasping or damaging tunnels they were in, when they shouldn't have been in the tunnels to begin with" oddly sounds like the argument that one cannot be kidnapped for occupying Palestine if they were simply not in a nation occupying Palestine to begin with? See how we can just keep going more outward on whose fault it is, all of this ultimately ignoring the fact that Hamas agreed to a hostage release now 2 montgs ago. Bibi refused to implement and Biden defended. Apologetics for genociders won't erase the role Bibi and Biden played in their deaths. 1
Mike91 Posted September 1 Posted September 1 14 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: No, no one thinks that. After 2016, everyone honest with themselves knows that the only options for dems at this point are a rightward shift and they win or a rightward shift and they lose followed by an even further shift to the right. Progress isn't even remotely on the table for the next decade, or possibly even for the rest of my life. If not for Trump, I genuinely believe Bernie would have changed the conversation around policy in this country. Sometimes all it takes is the right candidate. Most Americans support progressive policies, but everything is still focused around Trump.
FameFatale Posted September 1 Posted September 1 (edited) Now I want to go to the fair Edited September 1 by FameFatale 3
VOSS Posted September 1 Posted September 1 22 minutes ago, Mike91 said: If not for Trump, I genuinely believe Bernie would have changed the conversation around policy in this country. Sometimes all it takes is the right candidate. Most Americans support progressive policies, but everything is still focused around Trump. I don't think think Bernie would have ever been in serious contention if not for Trump tbh. And I think if he had gotten the nom in 2020 he would be just as disliked as Biden right now and his policies would be blamed for inflation and he would have had a heart attack in office 4
Communion Posted September 1 Posted September 1 5 minutes ago, VOSS said: I don't think think Bernie would have ever been in serious contention if not for Trump tbh. And I think if he had gotten the nom in 2020 he would be just as disliked as Biden right now and his policies would be blamed for inflation and he would have had a heart attack in office What kind of delusional coping? You don't need hypotheticals for which reality already exists. Biden's candidacy tanked because he couldn't open his mouth without slurring a mixture of incoherent stories and fragments. Sanders has gone throughout all of Biden's presidency maintaining perfect health and mental sharpness. "Well what if Sanders had a heart attack??". Well.. did he?
Mike91 Posted September 1 Posted September 1 8 minutes ago, VOSS said: I don't think think Bernie would have ever been in serious contention if not for Trump tbh. And I think if he had gotten the nom in 2020 he would be just as disliked as Biden right now and his policies would be blamed for inflation and he would have had a heart attack in office I disagree. His policies polled well and that wasn't because of Trump. Bernie was just a well-liked candidate and sometimes that's all it takes. Ask Reagan. I agree that he would have been attacked relentlessly though. Every president has to deal with that and it's only gotten worse as we've become more polarized. Also, whether Bernie won in 2016 or 2020 he would have dealt with a hostile Congress anyways so I doubt he could have really implemented much to begin with.
ClashAndBurn Posted September 1 Posted September 1 41 minutes ago, Mike91 said: If not for Trump, I genuinely believe Bernie would have changed the conversation around policy in this country. Sometimes all it takes is the right candidate. Most Americans support progressive policies, but everything is still focused around Trump. I dunno. At this point, I'm jaded enough that I've come to this conclusion: If Bernie had won the nomination, I think the establishment would have pulled the rug out from under him and gone out of their way to undermine him at every turn. Moderate Dems would have absolutely endorsed Trump or advised their followers to leave the top of the ticket blank. Trump wouldn't be the existential threat. He'd be the savior who delivered us from communism.
teresaguidice Posted September 1 Posted September 1 if bernie won in 2016, a lot would've been possible. if bernie won in 2020, i think the left would be even deader than it is now. he would be blamed for inflation in a much more aggressive way than biden and the takeaway would be that a moderate like biden would've never let inflation get so out of control and it'd be used as definitive proof that economic populism doesn't work.
VOSS Posted September 1 Posted September 1 5 minutes ago, teresaguidice said: if bernie won in 2016, a lot would've been possible. if bernie won in 2020, i think the left would be even deader than it is now. he would be blamed for inflation in a much more aggressive way than biden and the takeaway would be that a moderate like biden would've never let inflation get so out of control and it'd be used as definitive proof that economic populism doesn't work. This is kind of what I was trying to get at. And I don't think Bernie ever had a serious chance in 2016
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