FameFatale Posted August 30 Posted August 30 Pro-life crowd in shambles. Can't wait to see how they spin it today. 1
on the line Posted August 30 Posted August 30 2 hours ago, Ghiles said: Interesting Bc she's simply trying to get elected so she can do anything.
on the line Posted August 30 Posted August 30 18 minutes ago, Vermillion said: It didn't. It was a terrible interview.
Sannie Posted August 30 Posted August 30 20 minutes ago, Armani? said: To be fair, they probably have the age mostly accounted for with the Trump swing 50 to 64, even though both groups will be closer to 50/50 in reality 18 - 34 is very off though. Not sure what's going on with 35 - 49 either, the leads are too big It's like they pressed random on the age groups to try to get a similar margin to the past 2 cycles I try not to be a crosstabs truther but sometimes things are just too glaringly off.
dabunique Posted August 30 Posted August 30 12 minutes ago, FameFatale said: Pro-life crowd in shambles. Can't wait to see how they spin it today. i kno u a legend but Tony please sit this one out 1
State of Grace. Posted August 30 Posted August 30 15 minutes ago, on the line said: Bc she's simply trying to get elected so she can do anything. Trying to get elected by...ignoring most of what her base & potential voters are saying and going further and further right? 2 2 1
Communion Posted August 30 Posted August 30 27 minutes ago, on the line said: Bc she's simply trying to get elected so she can do anything. "Vote for this person and they will magically become progressive once in office despite campaigning as anti-progressive" When in the history of American politics has this ended up being true? 10 2
Bears01 Posted August 30 Posted August 30 I know I could get flamed for this and sound like those annoying "yaaas queen pelosi" cringe Dems, but: I REALLY wish the entire Democratic Party would follow her lead. She made it blatantly clear she's trying to get the party to separate from Israel. She knows what the base of the party wants. She rightfully opposed the Iraq war. Her instincts on the ACA eventually being popular were right. Shes a very flawed and yes, corrupt person. But her political instincts are unmatched. Shes the main reason this race is basically a jump ball and not an incoming landslide loss. This party would be lost without her, so when she makes a call, people would be wise to listen 2 4
karron0624 Posted August 30 Posted August 30 9 minutes ago, Bears01 said: I know I could get flamed for this and sound like those annoying "yaaas queen pelosi" cringe Dems, but: I REALLY wish the entire Democratic Party would follow her lead. She made it blatantly clear she's trying to get the party to separate from Israel. She knows what the base of the party wants. She rightfully opposed the Iraq war. Her instincts on the ACA eventually being popular were right. Shes a very flawed and yes, corrupt person. But her political instincts are unmatched. Shes the main reason this race is basically a jump ball and not an incoming landslide loss. This party would be lost without her, so when she makes a call, people would be wise to listen The way kassi is winning from the permaban grave. I hate to see it. But youre right. Madam should have been president instincts are not wrong. And Kamala would be smart to follow her and her running partners lead. Like i understand her move to the right, because that is the strategy every presidential election year. Republicans are hard core conservative and liberals are hard ore progressive then they move to the middle. But she started middle right and is moving right. They need to halt movement or start moving left. My only justification is her moving right is to try to bolster the senate, and senate races in red states, but sis needs to halt and move backwards. 3
Bears01 Posted August 30 Posted August 30 16 minutes ago, karron0624 said: The way kassi is winning from the permaban grave. I hate to see it. But youre right. Madam should have been president instincts are not wrong. And Kamala would be smart to follow her and her running partners lead. Like i understand her move to the right, because that is the strategy every presidential election year. Republicans are hard core conservative and liberals are hard ore progressive then they move to the middle. But she started middle right and is moving right. They need to halt movement or start moving left. My only justification is her moving right is to try to bolster the senate, and senate races in red states, but sis needs to halt and move backwards. Yeah, her move right is detrimental in Michigan. She needs those voters in Dearborn. I truly think Ronald Regan has permanently scared the Democratic Party in ways FDR used to leave generations of trauma on republicans. The desire to run right every election baffles me. Obama didn't win in an utter landslide by winning right, he won by inspiring people, being a historic candidate, and being vehemently anti war (pre war crimes Obama). 2
Thuggin Posted August 30 Posted August 30 Gaza has been experiencing October 7th every day since October 7th and yet Kamala keeps citing October 7th as reason to continue the genocide enablement. "Israel has a right to defend itself" endlessly as it butchers babies. Just once I'd like to hear, "Does Palestine have a right to defend itself?" Notice how when talking about October 7th, it's always meticulous detail about "brutal massacre of 1,200 people, violent rape, women and children…" but everything that's happened since gets quickly brushed off in the passive voice as "aaand yes, far too many Palestinians have been killed" as if we're talking about oopsie collateral damage on property instead of tens of thousands of innocent people who have been intentionally killed and counting. Just don't insult our intelligence. I'd rather hear "I will always support Israel whatever Israel wants to do because Israel is our ally and no amount of Palestinian deaths will ever change that" than this meandering and gaslighting. And then liberals can attempt to convince us that voting for Kamala is worthwhile for abortion and the Supreme Court. Do I believe Kamala is personally bloodthirsty for maximum Palestinian death the way a Trump or Haley or average right wing Christian is? No. Would she deport pro-ceasefire protesters? No, she'd probably just call them anti-Semitic. But you can only expect these super marginal differences to matter so much to people who care about this issue considering the context of endless slaughter that seems certain to continue under either administration. And before anyone says, "Then abandon every other issue! Sacrifice everything all in the name of Palestine!" I voted for Biden in 2020, donated to Kamala when I was excited for change, and now it's **** like this that makes it hard to want to vote again even if I always try to go harm reduction. Ultimately I just feel so helpless, and I can only imagine what others who also want the genocide to stop are feeling. 6 2
Lil Mistee Posted August 30 Posted August 30 9 hours ago, Communion said: All contemporary polling would show this statement to be a blatant lie? Harris is actively shifting rightward from a myriad of Biden policies? I'm gonna need you to delve deeper.
Relampago. Posted August 30 Posted August 30 I am once again asking Kamala to please heavily highlight another point of her campaign besides abortion/reproductive rights At least expand the conversation to the horrible Supreme Court and their crooked decisions lately. I get it's a winning issue, and I think it can be the cornerstone of her campaign, but I don't feel she's even taking the abortion conversation as far as it can go. 4 1
Bears01 Posted August 30 Posted August 30 5 minutes ago, Relampago. said: I am once again asking Kamala to please heavily highlight another point of her campaign besides abortion/reproductive rights At least expand the conversation to the horrible Supreme Court and their crooked decisions lately. I get it's a winning issue, and I think it can be the cornerstone of her campaign, but I don't feel she's even taking the abortion conversation as far as it can go. Agree and disagree. I would personally like to hear more about her economic policies and for her to spend a good amount of time highlighting what she wants to do for Americans during THIS economy…. But trumps judges on the court overturning roe is (I think) his biggest weakness (outside of project 2025 and the stop the steal nonsense). It's the one issue that gets people who don't care about politics out to vote and the electoral results speak for itself. There's no running away from it for him. I do wish she'd highlight more that it's the Republican Party from the top down who owns the anti abortion issue and if Trump is soooo pro choice: then why is he even a Republican to being with? 8
Communion Posted August 30 Posted August 30 19 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: I'm gonna need you to delve deeper. What are you nor getting? Even if one was to limit the window of acceptable policy to swing states, most progressive policies from Medicare For All to an arms embargo enjoy support from a comfortable majority of Democrats and independents (and thus voters at large] The claim of some deeply conservative America is a lie. Centrists like claiming popularism and yet the Senate sees most Democrats far more conservative than the average voter in their state. Why are some of the most conservative Dems in the Senate...the two senators from deep blue Delaware? 2
Sannie Posted August 30 Posted August 30 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Relampago. said: I am once again asking Kamala to please heavily highlight another point of her campaign besides abortion/reproductive rights At least expand the conversation to the horrible Supreme Court and their crooked decisions lately. I get it's a winning issue, and I think it can be the cornerstone of her campaign, but I don't feel she's even taking the abortion conversation as far as it can go. Good point. I don't think many people realize how much worse it can actually get with the SCOTUS judges being propped up by a DJT Presidency. Talk about the DJT and GOP threat to use the Comstock act to go after contraception. Talk about the rogue judges that continue to go after anything reproductive-related. I know they want to focus on ~joy and not wade too much into the scare tactic territory, but it's an important issue they can make even bigger. Republicans love to talk about "slippery slopes", but the GOP's attacks on reproductive rights is an actual slippery slope they will use to go after any rights they don't believe fall in line with their religion. Edited August 30 by Sannie 2
FameFatale Posted August 30 Posted August 30 I feel like she really needs to focus on PA. It's the state that's been stressing me out the most. Trump has been doing a lot of campaigning there recently. 2
Sannie Posted August 30 Posted August 30 1 minute ago, FameFatale said: I feel like she really needs to focus on PA. It's the state that's been stressing me out the most. Trump has been doing a lot of campaigning there recently. She has like, four times the amount of field offices so while she herself may not be there, she has boots on the ground. One could argue Trump sending JD Vance there permanently could mean their internals are not looking good. 1
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