nooniebao Posted August 30 Posted August 30 1 hour ago, Communion said: Her again saying she is not going to support an arms embargo and that her stance on such will never change. Repeating Zionist propaganda about 10/07 that's been repeatedly debunked. ย @nooniebaoย She really is committed to the Blob.ย ย Genuinely she's a case that no ideological commitment just doesn't work and isn't an answer to those committed ideologically to American hegemony like Biden (and P*te). Only someone who is ideologically committed to isolationism and anti-imperialism can be trusted to not fold, and even then, someone like Sanders was shown as unable overcome his Zionist upbringing and romanticism of Israel,ย Yup! Like I said on another forum (๐lol) idk why people project progressivism onto her. The Reason piece you linked from 2019 is still the best breakdown of her career and record that should be read in full to really understand her:ย https://reason.com/2019/06/03/kamala-harris-is-a-cop-who-wants-to-be-president/ ย ย 2
Communion Posted August 30 Posted August 30 (edited) 32 minutes ago, BOOMBAYAH said: When it comes to Israel-Palestine, I think people need to accept that Kamala will continue to support Israel, and if elected, her government will continue to provide them with weapons. Trying to gaslight pro-Palestinians is useless and just strange, especially since she has made her stance on this issue clear. If a pro-Palestine American doesn't want to vote for her because of her support, so be it. Calling people bad or dumb over this is disingenuous, especially when both candidates will support Israel unconditionallyโif your top priority is Palestine, both parties are essentially the same on the issue. You can't blame Arab, Palestinian, Muslim, or pro-Palestine Americans for not wanting to be a part of it and choosing not to vote. I think it's just also... cognitive dissonance.ย ย Maybe some of the people confused were indeed born after 9/11 and lessons have faded, but it's odd how liberals seemingly get how seeing what America was doing in the streets of Afghanistan and Iraq radicalized countless of young people and progressives against George W. Bush, yet now don't quite get why much of the same is radicalizing the same demographics against Biden and Harris.ย ย Democrats have helped build a massive drone program and a global network of sanctions to try and keep the brutality of America's military-industrial complex out of sight and out of mind of the queazy, sensitive American purview and yet the mere existence of social media has seemingly torpedoed Clinton's chances at the presidency while being something Biden and Harris are showing they too cannot overcome. Is the rule of empire truly that alluring?ย ย Why exactly would Americans accept that their tax dollars are going to even things like the below? What is the aim and goal? ย Edited August 30 by Communion 2 1
nooniebao Posted August 30 Posted August 30 5 minutes ago, nooniebao said: Yup! Like I said on another forum (๐lol) idk why people project progressivism onto her. The Reason piece you linked from 2019 is still the best breakdown of her career and record that should be read in full to really understand her:ย https://reason.com/2019/06/03/kamala-harris-is-a-cop-who-wants-to-be-president/ ย ย And a 2024 update! @Communion ย https://reason.com/2024/07/21/its-been-easy-to-forget-how-bad-kamala-harris-is/ 2
GhostBox Posted August 30 Posted August 30 All ya need to know. Dictator vs President. Pick wisely America ๐ ย 1
Tovitov Posted August 30 Posted August 30 50 minutes ago, GhostBox said: ย oh know that she did great on her first interview they wanna invent more tests? ๐ Josh Kraushaar is my go to Republican commentator who "hates Trump but is looking for an excuse to vote Trump". If he said it went fine, it really must have.ย 1
Tovitov Posted August 30 Posted August 30 Harris has been very careful at not distancing herself from Biden in any meaningful way. That includes Israel. It's up to voters if they geniunely believe she'll be Biden 2.0. I dont think she will but thats just meย 1
Communion Posted August 30 Posted August 30 (edited) ย 29% - Jill Stein (-7) 29% - Kamala Harris (+22 vs Biden) 25% - Undecided or Not Voting (-1) 11% - Donald Trump (+6) 4% - Cornel West (-21) 1% - Chase Oliver (+1) ย For reference, CAIR's September 2020 poll had Muslim voters breaking as 71% for Biden, 18% for Trump, and 11% 3rd Party/Undecided/Not Voting. ย That would be a difference of: Democrats (-42) Republicans (-7) Edited August 30 by Communion 1 1
Lil Mistee Posted August 30 Posted August 30 1 hour ago, BOOMBAYAH said: I do think Kamala is leaning too much to the centre/right, it almost seems like she's afraid to talk about any left-wing/progressive stance or policy at length. Like, she looked petrified to even imply that her being a woman and POC would be something that would inspire others. I think she should aim to strike a balance whilst campaigning; after all, most people who are voting for her as doing so because she represents the progressive party.ย Kamala isn't make the same mistake Hillary did. She is trying to win this election, not ramp herself up in self praise. She knows what the polls show and the polls show people want to hear about homeland policies and economic policies. She has brought up her history as a poc woman but she is not making it the forefront of her campaign. Simply by being a strong leader while being a poc woman will inspire others. She doesn't need to lay it out in self praise like Hillary did.ย ย also, I'm gonna need y'all to understand America has always been conservative, especially compared to many European nations. Kamala will be, if elected, the most progressive president sinceโฆ well, Biden. If you ask me pre Biden getting into office if he would've done half the **** he's done I would've laughed. The Biden admin has been super pro labor, union and working class. His student debt relief was way more progressive than anything Obama did. Kamala's policies only further that agenda and I believe her tbh.ย ย now on the topic of giving arms to Israel. The United States has a long ******* history with Israel and we coddled them so much it's really tricky to navigate. My personal belief tho is she needs to say she'll thrown an arms embargo on as soon as she becomes president. Even though polls show it's nearly split on what Americans believe it'd help her and is just the right thing to do. But we live in a shitty two party system and I'll take what I can get. Which in this case is a decent person, who will be helpful to the economy and working class of America. Despite her overseas shitty politics.ย 1 4
Sannie Posted August 30 Posted August 30 It is truly pathetic how many of Dana's questions were basically "can you respond to this right-wing talking point". A complete failure in journalism on all fronts. ย 4 1
ultraviolence.xx Posted August 30 Posted August 30 the explicit verbal refusal of an arms embargo aaaaaaaaand i'm apathetic once again ย
Communion Posted August 30 Posted August 30 44 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: 'm gonna need y'all to understand America has always been conservative All contemporary polling would show this statement to be a blatant lie? ย 45 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: Kamala's policies only further that Harris is actively shifting rightward from a myriad of Biden policies?ย 1
Harrier Posted August 30 Posted August 30 4 hours ago, justin. said: I'm still voting for her, but my god she's moved so far to the right. Idk what the point in picking Tim Walz was when she's going to be even more conservative than Biden. It's politics. She's playing to win. Kamala is easier to paint as an out of touch, radical liberal than Biden because she is a woman of colour from San Francisco. The fact that she is more vulnerable to that attack means their strategy is to shut it down as much as possible by running more aggressively centrist. Being the 'normal, safe, likable' alternative to MAGA is a winning strategy that is working up and down the country. ย There is no chance that Kamala will govern to the right of Biden, her record just does not align with that especially not compared to his. She will get less through congress than him due to the senate map, but in areas where she does have power, I don't think it's reasonable to suggest she will suddenly become a neocon or something 1 4
Marianah Adkins Posted August 30 Posted August 30 4 hours ago, Communion said: All contemporary polling would show this statement to be a blatant lie? ย Harris is actively shifting rightward from a myriad of Biden policies?ย Idk but arent these polls skewed by the fact that there are more people in the liberal states/cities than the conservative areas? ย While I do not discount the majority of the country being more liberal, it must be considered that the very foundation of the country as the Founding Fathers intended it is inherently conservative and it shows in the way the political and economic system are structured to the way laws are interpreted. Its that very foundation that liberals/leftists have always been challenged with harmonizing or overcoming hence the right tilt turn of the country since the dawn of its inception.ย ย ย 1
Armani? Posted August 30 Posted August 30 Another poll I wouldn't freak out aboutย The Black support is 20 points off lol ย ย 1
Musicmajor Posted August 30 Posted August 30 Dana showed her whole A** in that 'interview' and that is all I'm going to say on THAT.ย 1
midnightdawn Posted August 30 Posted August 30 They have a point... ย Quote The setting was strange โ a sort of impersonal, gray office โ and the framing unfavorable to Harris, who appeared squeezed between her running mate, Tim Walz, and journalist Dana Bash. x ย Like surely there was a studio or something that would have been a better place to conduct the interview rather than "Kim's Cafe".
Sannie Posted August 30 Posted August 30 43 minutes ago, Armani? said: Another poll I wouldn't freak out aboutย The Black support is 20 points off lol ย ย 20 point lead with senior citizens and only 3 point lead in metro Detroit. ย
Armani? Posted August 30 Posted August 30 26 minutes ago, Sannie said: 20 point lead with senior citizens and only 3 point lead in metro Detroit. ย To be fair, they probably have the age mostly accounted for with the Trump swing 50 to 64, even though both groups will be closer to 50/50 in reality ย 18 - 34 is very off though. Not sure what's going on with 35 - 49 either,ย the leads are too bigย ย It's like they pressed random on the age groups to try to get a similar margin to the past 2 cycles ย
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