dman4life Posted August 29 Posted August 29 I seriously applaud Jim Acosta for being one of the only CNN anchors to push back on the MAGA bs. I'm surprised they haven't taken him off air yet!
Bears01 Posted August 29 Posted August 29 (edited) I'm starting to believe one of these screnarios play out: either Trump or Kamala massively outperform their polling. Cases for Kamala: the Democratic base actually likes her, and she's viewed rather neutrally if not outright liked by the American public. All the American public's anger for inflation seems (by pure electoral results and polling data) directly directed toward Biden and Biden alone. Democrats have been insanely electorally successfully even when inflation was at its absolute worst, and the polling for Dems downballot looks like that trend will continue. Usually candidates who are in the positives in terms of approval ratings go on to win rather easily, and we all know even when Trump was at his absolute political peak post debate up till the RNC, he was never (and never will be) liked by the majority of the country. Cases for Trump: Republicans successfully lay the blame of inflation on Biden and his entire administration (aka including Kamala) as a whole and independents take their wrath out on her at the ballot box. One thing we all know that helps Trump: Americans generally liked the economy under his administration. That could play out massively for him. The problem for him is: while the economy long term is not looking great, Americans consumer sentiment has been rising. Trump has outperformed polling in 2 elections now. It would not be surprising whatsoever if it happens again. But at the same time: Kamala is (on paper) the strongest candidate he's faced while running for president. Even stronger than Biden in 2020 (who looked too old even then, but could at least form coherent sentences for the most part) Edited August 29 by Bears01 3
Communion Posted August 29 Posted August 29 1 hour ago, on the line said: And that's why we can't give up on pressuring.. Yes! Yes! You're so close! 1 hour ago, on the line said: these misguided folks Oh! Friendly reminder that the affluent who have power are pretending to not understanding who has power in the world. 3
Communion Posted August 29 Posted August 29 45 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Well... of course they would allow themselves to get bullied into bending the knee for not even the barest minimum of a reassurance. They always do, in the end. That's why the Democrats know that they never have to make concessions or try to give anyone a reason to vote for them. They can always expect the progressives and everyone protesting the genocide that they fully support to come home in the end, because they are either too feckless to uphold their stated values or have nowhere else to turn. Also not to be like...silly...but these are Democratic partisans and party professionals. No one who has organized themselves into a __________ for Kamala is an average voter. These are those within or at the borders of the party and acticist apparatus. Ideally, these kinds of organizations then have to answer to regular people they interact with and answer to based on providing services or mutual aid like many professional or activist organizations. But these kinds of groups don't have that. They're like fan clubs. A good way for Harris to organize her supporters, sure, but in what realm were a fan club for Harris ever going to put the material conditions of the identities they claim to represent before their own reverence for her? This is why the Uncommitted movement has been slower to fold. As there is a more direct connection to people on the ground the leaders will have to answer to within their own communities in Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.
ClashAndBurn Posted August 29 Posted August 29 47 minutes ago, Communion said: Also not to be like...silly...but these are Democratic partisans and party professionals. No one who has organized themselves into a __________ for Kamala is an average voter. These are those within or at the borders of the party and acticist apparatus. Ideally, these kinds of organizations then have to answer to regular people they interact with and answer to based on providing services or mutual aid like many professional or activist organizations. But these kinds of groups don't have that. They're like fan clubs. A good way for Harris to organize her supporters, sure, but in what realm were a fan club for Harris ever going to put the material conditions of the identities they claim to represent before their own reverence for her? This is why the Uncommitted movement has been slower to fold. As there is a more direct connection to people on the ground the leaders will have to answer to within their own communities in Michigan, Wisconsin, etc. I would also add that given the actions and statements from, you know, 95% of the CPC and especially AOC and Bernie, elected progressives are indistinguishable from a fan club at this point as well. The real reason nothing will change is that the entire mission of Justice Democrats has been effectively neutered since 2019 and at this point they might as well be disbanded. 1
karron0624 Posted August 29 Posted August 29 1 hour ago, Communion said: Yes! Yes! You're so close! Oh! Friendly reminder that the affluent who have power are pretending to not understanding who has power in the world. Not the yes yes yes oh youre so close to the oh. Sis i cant stand you🤣. Literally have me spitting out my oj. OT: I think tonight's interview sets the tone for the debate tbh. Kamala needs to nail it, and make herself be perceived as presidential. Biden and Trump are white men, and them just appearing is always enough for people. But Kamala needs to be exceptional or she is going to lose her momentum. 1
Sannie Posted August 29 Posted August 29 (edited) 11 hours ago, Blade said: Wow... It takes a lot of courage for them to put out this statement. Unfortunately they're now going to be constantly attacked by the very people who were supporting them a week ago. Their wants at the end are fully reasonable and should be listened to by the Harris team. It only helps to have Rep. Romman on the campaign trail in GA. 2 hours ago, FameFatale said: It's hard to not believe that voter enthusiasm and positive image are a plus for Kamala, and enough of a plus to help push her past the winning line. 1 hour ago, Bears01 said: I'm starting to believe one of these screnarios play out: either Trump or Kamala massively outperform their polling. Cases for Kamala: the Democratic base actually likes her, and she's viewed rather neutrally if not outright liked by the American public. All the American public's anger for inflation seems (by pure electoral results and polling data) directly directed toward Biden and Biden alone. Democrats have been insanely electorally successfully even when inflation was at its absolute worst, and the polling for Dems downballot looks like that trend will continue. Usually candidates who are in the positives in terms of approval ratings go on to win rather easily, and we all know even when Trump was at his absolute political peak post debate up till the RNC, he was never (and never will be) liked by the majority of the country. Cases for Trump: Republicans successfully lay the blame of inflation on Biden and his entire administration (aka including Kamala) as a whole and independents take their wrath out on her at the ballot box. One thing we all know that helps Trump: Americans generally liked the economy under his administration. That could play out massively for him. The problem for him is: while the economy long term is not looking great, Americans consumer sentiment has been rising. Trump has outperformed polling in 2 elections now. It would not be surprising whatsoever if it happens again. But at the same time: Kamala is (on paper) the strongest candidate he's faced while running for president. Even stronger than Biden in 2020 (who looked too old even then, but could at least form coherent sentences for the most part) To your point about polls underestimating Trump in the past... This is the first post-Roe election with Trump on the ballot and it's the first election Trump is grouped with insane people like Lake in AZ and Robinson in NC (at least since they've become huge names). It's hard not to think this won't affect him, but we don't yet know. I used to think Trump was going to destroy the GOP but it's becoming more obvious the opposite might be the case. These people are far too radical for the average American and Americans being pushed away by the very people Trump supports. Either way, it's too stupidly close at this point. Edited August 29 by Sannie 1
dman4life Posted August 29 Posted August 29 24 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Msm won't touch it ofc and if they do they'll just let Trump's surrogates deflect to the economy and immigration as always. Speaking of which Kamala is eating at Trump's lead on the economy. She needs to successfully lean into how Trump pretty much rode the coat tails of Obama's economy on that debate stage. Most ppl don't have a firm grasp on how the economy works and education is key for her to win on that issue. Tying his poor handling of COVID to the current inflation will also help.
Sannie Posted August 29 Posted August 29 Like, how do you see these numbers and not think Trump's support for Lake doesn't pulling him down at least slightly in state? 1
Vroom Vroom Posted August 29 Posted August 29 13 minutes ago, Sannie said: Like, how do you see these numbers and not think Trump's support for Lake doesn't pulling him down at least slightly in state? It's crazy to think that if she would of won her 2022 gubernatorial race, she would probably be Trump's vp right now
FameFatale Posted August 29 Posted August 29 4 minutes ago, dabunique said: A loser!! Walz spoke there yesterday and got a great response. 2 2
tiejc Posted August 29 Posted August 29 Kamala really wants to turn out northern Virginia and we've been getting many TV and digital ads here and none from Trump. Good to see they're not sleeping. They should do a rally here though. 5
Blade Posted August 29 Posted August 29 9 minutes ago, tiejc said: Kamala really wants to turn out northern Virginia and we've been getting many TV and digital ads here and none from Trump. Good to see they're not sleeping. They should do a rally here though. Does northern Virginia possibly share a TV market with south PA?
tiejc Posted August 29 Posted August 29 6 minutes ago, Blade said: Does northern Virginia possibly share a TV market with south PA? Two south PA counties are in our media market: Franklin and Fulton
Blade Posted August 29 Posted August 29 (edited) 10 minutes ago, tiejc said: Two south PA counties are in our media market: Franklin and Fulton That's probably it but also no Trump ads is very strange. Edited August 29 by Blade
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