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[Communion]

5 hours ago, nooniebao said:

 

It sounded so good and shocking that she was actually calling the Dem position bad and yet, as Adam points out, it basically devolved into her proposing a "trolly" problem. 

 

 

[hausofdave]

 

[Communion]

5 hours ago, nooniebao said:

Kamala's gonna be such a mess if she wins… so incredibly subservient to big business + Big Tech/Silicon Valley basically her entire career. And that's not even getting into how bad her foreign policy will be. @Communion is right that all of Bernie's supposed pushing of the Overton window to the left the last nine years was seemingly for naught.

I did say it with love so I am still waiting for @Mike91 to share what they feel has actually been manifested from the elite capture of progressives by Dems post-2016.

 

Unless anyone can show otherwise, we've basically come to a reality where 2016-2023 might as well have never happened.

 

Instead or trying to fix the material conditions that gave way to Trump, Dems have surrendered much of their party. The pied piper strategy of moving Republicans so far to the right did not result in the rest moving to the left to Dems, but moved the Dems to the right of your average "moderate" Republican. 

 

Even Harris has said little about maintaining the meager concessions Sanders got out of Biden in 2020. She hasn't mentioned education despite having a public school teacher as her VP and being famously from a black sorority. There's been no mention of the legalization of marijuana despite that it would clean up her record of sending people to jail for it.

[19SLAYty9]

48 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

The Democrats' Trump, but somehow even less successful  

 

If she's the nominee for governor in 2026, there's no point in turning out again, since she'll get btfo'ed by probably double digits. Ossoff is getting blown out too, so that would just be even more reason to just tune out.

Depends. Marjorie might be running  

[teresaguidice]

43 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

She shouldn't do press interviews not because they don't help in general, but because she's always bad in them. Every single one. She flubs even the easiest of softballs.

she's definitely in a word salad deprogramming bootcamp. they've already gotten her off ijboling. i think her campaign is extra cautious not to tip the narrative in any way but that she'll be passable talking to lester holt or whoever in a week or two. 

[Rotunda]

 

[ClashAndBurn]

8 minutes ago, 19SLAYty9 said:

Depends. Marjorie might be running  

MAGA doesn't even use her anymore. She got kicked out of the Freedom Caucus and hasn't gotten even an ounce of attention since Jasmine Crockett roasted her with "bleach blonde, bad built butch body"  

 

She is not positioned to beat Brian Kemp in a primary at the moment  

[shelven]

8 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

 

4% of the entire population of the state being a Harris volunteer made absolutely no sense, so I'm glad they officially corrected this

[Rotunda]

7 minutes ago, shelven said:

4% of the entire population of the state being a Harris volunteer made absolutely no sense, so I'm glad they officially corrected this

Michelle Obama's impact 

[Sannie]

1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said:

The Democrats' Trump, but somehow even less successful  

 

If she's the nominee for governor in 2026, there's no point in turning out again, since she'll get btfo'ed by probably double digits. Ossoff is getting blown out too, so that would just be even more reason to just tune out.

Hey, let her have a dream. It's good to have goals and to work towards them. Never give up. Keep fighting, Stacey.

[Dera]

13 minutes ago, shelven said:

4% of the entire population of the state being a Harris volunteer made absolutely no sense, so I'm glad they officially corrected this

I was shook by that statistic earlier but I still told my gf about it. can't believe I was spreading misinformation

 

4 out of every 100 people in the state volunteering for a campaign would be some dictatorship levels of indoctrination  

[Mike91]

5 minutes ago, Communion said:

I did say it with love so I am still waiting for @Mike91 to share what they feel has actually been manifested from the elite capture of progressives by Dems post-2016.

 

Unless anyone can show otherwise, we've basically come to a reality where 2016-2023 might as well have never happened.

 

Instead or trying to fix the material conditions that gave way to Trump, Dems have surrendered much of their party. The pied piper strategy of moving Republicans so far to the right did not result in the rest moving to the left to Dems, but moved the Dems to the right of your average "moderate" Republican. 

 

Even Harris has said little about maintaining the meager concessions Sanders got out of Biden in 2020. She hasn't mentioned education despite having a public school teacher as her VP and being famously from a black sorority. There's been no mention of the legalization of marijuana despite that it would clean up her record of sending people to jail for it.

ngl, I rarely ever pay attention to my notifications.  The only ones I ever catch are the ones that pop up at the bottom of the screen.

 

However, the main point of what I said is that nothing has manifested since 2016. What exactly have progressives accomplished? Helping Trump get elected in 2016 didn't bring on the revolution. If anything it killed it.  We have about as much power now as we've always had.

 

After 2016, there should have been a long term plan to take the energy and momentum of Bernie's 2016 campaign and slowly transform the democratic party from within. Had Bernie used "Our Revolution" as a way to work with the democratic party, it might have seen more success. Truth is, there's two political parties in this country. You either work with the one closest aligned to your values or continue to get left out, which is exactly what happened. In return, it has accomplished nothing.

 

 

 

[GhostBox]

So if Trump backs out of the ABC debate it has to be because he's afraid he's gonna lose it. But backing out would also make him look old and weak. So 💀 

 

that's why he wants a Fox News debate so much. So they can do all the dirty work for him. 

[JustHoran]

16 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

So if Trump backs out of the ABC debate it has to be because he's afraid he's gonna lose it. But backing out would also make him look old and weak. So 💀 

 

that's why he wants a Fox News debate so much. So they can do all the dirty work for him. 

It really is a lose/lose situation for him either way 

 

Imagine when Kamala shows up to the debate on ABC and Trump bails 

Edited August 26 by JustHoran

[ClashAndBurn]

2 hours ago, Mike91 said:

ngl, I rarely ever pay attention to my notifications.  The only ones I ever catch are the ones that pop up at the bottom of the screen.

 

However, the main point of what I said is that nothing has manifested since 2016. What exactly have progressives accomplished? Helping Trump get elected in 2016 didn't bring on the revolution. If anything it killed it.  We have about as much power now as we've always had.

 

After 2016, there should have been a long term plan to take the energy and momentum of Bernie's 2016 campaign and slowly transform the democratic party from within. Had Bernie used "Our Revolution" as a way to work with the democratic party, it might have seen more success. Truth is, there's two political parties in this country. You either work with the one closest aligned to your values or continue to get left out, which is exactly what happened. In return, it has accomplished nothing.

 

 

 

The obvious rebuttal to this is that... the left would be at the same place it is now if Hillary had won in 2016. I don't think people remember how actively and publicly Hillary held the left flank of the party in the purest contempt. There would be no revolutionary energy then, just as there is none now. The only difference would be that there'd be some abortion rights in some of the states that lost them, while the rest would be barely held together by judicial fiat that would slowly continue to be eroded away.

 

Also, Hillary probably would have lost in 2020 due to COVID. Scalia and RBG's seats would have been held vacant by McConnell all 4 years of her presidency, and her Republican successor would be allowed to pick those replacements (along with Kennedy retiring a couple years later than he did), overturning Roe in 2022, meaning we'd still be in the same place today that we are in right now anyway.

[Wonderland]

I actually think no debate helps Kamala too as it's one less opportunity for her to slip up or face media scrutiny.

 

I don't see her losing the debate against Trump; but I do see there being potential moments that would damage her standing with enough voters that it has a measurable impact on the final result.

Edited August 26 by Wonderland

[XDNA]

3 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

The obvious rebuttal to this is that... the left would be at the same place it is now if Hillary had won in 2016. I don't think people remember how actively and publicly Hillary held the left flank of the party in the purest contempt. There would be no revolutionary energy then, just as there is none now. The only difference would be that there'd be some abortion rights in some of the states that lost them, while the rest would be barely held together by judicial fiat that would slowly continue to be eroded away.

 

Also, Hillary probably would have lost in 2020 due to COVID. Scalia and RBG's seats would have been held vacant by McConnell all 4 years of her presidency, and her Republican successor would be allowed to pick those replacements (along with Kennedy retiring a couple years later than he did), overturning Roe in 2022, meaning we'd still be in the same place today that we are in right now anyway.

The country would have been a lot better had Hillary won. McConnell wouldn't have gotten away with vacant seats for that long. She also would have handled the COVID-19 pandemic better and gotten the country through it better than Trump.

[XDNA]

3 hours ago, Wonderland said:

I actually think no debate helps Kamala too as it's one less opportunity for her to slip up or face media scrutiny.

 

I don't see her losing the debate against Trump; but I do see there being potential moments that would damage her standing with enough voters that it has a measurable impact on the final result.

I agree; she has a problem with putting her foot in her mouth when on the spot. 

I do want the debate to happen because she has more to win than lose and because Trump is easily provoked into saying crazy stuff.

[Mean Trees]

 

 

 

[FameFatale]

She said keep them on so I can fact check his ass 

 

 

[midnightdawn]

Kamala looked so proud of herself after she finished dragging Tulsi and Tulsi fumbled around trying to respond

 

 

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, XDNA said:

The country would have been a lot better had Hillary won. McConnell wouldn't have gotten away with vacant seats for that long. She also would have handled the COVID-19 pandemic better and gotten the country through it better than Trump.

I don't doubt that she would have handled it better than Trump, but I still think the country would have punished her even if COVID had only claimed 1/10th as many Americans. She was not a popular politician, and I believe she would have ended up even more unpopular than Joe Biden, who was quite literally the least popular sitting President.

 

Not to mention, how could McConnell NOT have gotten away with holding those seats open for that long? Do you actually think the American people would have punished him for that by taking away their Senate majority? In what would have been a massive Red Wave year? Or that Murkowski and Collins would have had the backbone to buck him? That is… an astonishing level of copium, I must say.

[GhostBox]

29 minutes ago, FameFatale said:

She said keep them on so I can fact check his ass 

 

 

Muting the mics was so stupid 💀 for Biden's team to want anyway.  Keep them on so we can hear trumps tantrums. Muting the mics only helps moderate trump. 

Edited August 26 by GhostBox

[on the line]

2 hours ago, XDNA said:

The country would have been a lot better had Hillary won. McConnell wouldn't have gotten away with vacant seats for that long. She also would have handled the COVID-19 pandemic better and gotten the country through it better than Trump.

What a load of **** that poster is if they think if Hilary had won the other thing that'd be different is abortion would be legal in some states where it isn't now.

 

Yikes. I didn't realize they were this far gone.

[justin.]

I love seeing Trump being a scared, scrambling little *****. Keep those mics hot and ready! I want to see the crypt keeper looking ass narcissist choke… on his words, of course .