midnightdawn Posted August 25 Posted August 25 8 minutes ago, Relampago. said: SoCal Strategies asked voters whether or not they supported RFK prior to the suspension of his campaign. Among those who said they did, 46% now go to Trump and 45% to Harris. This suggests a statistically insignificant movement. 3
GhostBox Posted August 25 Posted August 25 25 minutes ago, midnightdawn said: SoCal Strategies asked voters whether or not they supported RFK prior to the suspension of his campaign. Among those who said they did, 46% now go to Trump and 45% to Harris. This suggests a statistically insignificant movement. Also this is a republican leaning pollster. And alll they can do is get him a +1 with RFk gone 💀
Sannie Posted August 25 Posted August 25 34 minutes ago, midnightdawn said: SoCal Strategies asked voters whether or not they supported RFK prior to the suspension of his campaign. Among those who said they did, 46% now go to Trump and 45% to Harris. This suggests a statistically insignificant movement. Ddddd so just like with the shooting, what Trumpers think is a slam dunk for Trump ends up being a nothing-burger. nevertheless, PA looks like it's gonna be the closest of the battlegrounds. 1
Mellark Posted August 25 Posted August 25 17 hours ago, Mike91 said: As someone who considers themself to be on the left (though I still support AOC and Bernie - so I don't know what that makes me now), I'll just say that the movement has become counterproductive. The refusal to work within the democratic party, even if they are not perfect, accomplishes nothing. Instead of moving towards progressive policies like M4A, we're stuck re-fighting battles we already won in the past like abortion, civil rights, etc. Wanting Kamala to attack Israel or downplay our military would basically hand Trump the presidency and set us back even further. If Trump wins, 2028 will then become about passing marriage equality back into law and undoing Trump's national abortion ban. No one's going to want to hear anything about any progressive economic policies. It's more of asking what is the solution, but do not provide an end game to that solution.
Chemist Posted August 25 Posted August 25 it's how ridiculous politics are and how easy dem voters can change their opinion on certain topics 3
on the line Posted August 25 Posted August 25 2 hours ago, Chemist said: it's how ridiculous politics are and how easy dem voters can change their opinion on certain topics It's almost as if life experiences and circumstances change the way people think. Who would've thunk! 4 1 7
Chemist Posted August 25 Posted August 25 22 minutes ago, on the line said: It's almost as if life experiences and circumstances change the way people think. Who would've thunk! In 4 years? Bffr. It's literally right wing propaganda. 1 3 1
on the line Posted August 25 Posted August 25 12 minutes ago, Chemist said: In 4 years? Bffr. It's literally right wing propaganda. A lot can happen in 4 years. Remember that pandemic 4 years ago and how life has literally changed in every metric since? Yeah. Bffr. 1 1 1
Communion Posted August 25 Posted August 25 (edited) 58 minutes ago, on the line said: It's almost as if life experiences and circumstances change the way people think. Who would've thunk! What experienced and circumstances changed? This is why centrists aren't compelling. Because you don't even know what you're pushing back against. The leftist criticism is literally that people's economic situations got worse, conservatives scapegoat migrants, and Dems stopped defending migrants to save their poor economic messaging. Demonizing migrants will be just as much Biden's legacy as Trump's meanwhile you and people like Kassi were telling us the economy is doing great (if you're affluent in a big city like DC or SF). Edit - @Gui Blackout liking this while beibg a Brazilian national living in Brazil. Our own Miles Ian Cheong. Why would someone who lives in a place conservative Americans don't want people from champion far right immigration policies becoming popular? Like you remember you're Brazilian, right? Genuinely, explain the rational to me. Edited August 25 by Communion 3 1
dman4life Posted August 25 Posted August 25 3 hours ago, Chemist said: it's how ridiculous politics are and how easy dem voters can change their opinion on certain topics Governor Abbott sending the migrants all over the country to sanctuary cities changed alot of ppls opinions on this imo. Here in Chicago people have been complaining about them being here since last summer when they first arrived.
Communion Posted August 25 Posted August 25 1 hour ago, Chemist said: In 4 years? Bffr. It's literally right wing propaganda. Like I just wish I could live with the kind of privilege that makes centrists feel inoculated to just say...objectively nonsensical ****? Is it the insulation of elite education? The impact of being removed from normal economic realities? To see the average view of migration *regress 20 years* and be like "well things change!". You have to wonder if it's incompetence or something more insidious because we've been here before. The graph literally shows us right back here in 1996. And what did Dems do in 1996? The last massive immigration law overhaul that punished migrants without actually lowering levels of migration. Only for Americans to turn positive on migration 2 years later as the economy improved and the sentiment was "oh maybe it wasn't the migrants, oopsies!". Spoiler: Dems went from winning Hispanic voters by 36 points in 1992 and 52 points in 1996 to 27 points in 2000. 1
Rotunda Posted August 25 Posted August 25 I do wonder why politicians are so allergic to just saying "I misspoke, I'm sorry" and moving on 4
GhostBox Posted August 25 Posted August 25 This answer alone is one of the reasons why no one likes him. 1 1
tiejc Posted August 25 Posted August 25 Glad they're not sleeping. Hoping the same for the rest of the swing states. 1
Relampago. Posted August 25 Posted August 25 (edited) 5 hours ago, on the line said: A lot can happen in 4 years. Remember that pandemic 4 years ago and how life has literally changed in every metric since? Yeah. Bffr. What immigration effect has been as big as COVID? Living in a border state, I can guarantee the interstate migration within the US to here has been far more difficult to deal with than anything happening on the southern border by far. 500 caravans later and everything is the same. Edited August 25 by Relampago. 2 1
Blade Posted August 25 Posted August 25 I'm just gonna throw it out there. If you don't live in a border city (i'll even accept county) you can't have an opinion on the "border crisis". It does not exist in the way right wingers have framed it for years. It's fear mongering. Come down here and see for yourself. And if you don't even live in the US shut the **** up. 5 2
Relampago. Posted August 25 Posted August 25 I find it very interesting how hard they're seemingly shooting for Georgia. I wonder if internally polling is showing that they can win it and want to have that buffer just in case one of the Rust Belt states falter. What I HOPE it doesn't mean is that they're REALLY trying to shore up the Sun Belt because the Rust Belt is looking scary. 1
Armani? Posted August 25 Posted August 25 Not looking like any major historical Republican shift, which is what polls keep mistakenly showing with Black voters, at least in Michigan 1
Blade Posted August 25 Posted August 25 Just now, tiejc said: Thanks for posting this, I wanted to but I accidentally refreshed twitter and lost it forever 1 3
FameFatale Posted August 25 Posted August 25 9 minutes ago, Blade said: I'm just gonna throw it out there. If you don't live in a border city (i'll even accept county) you can't have an opinion on the "border crisis". It does not exist in the way right wingers have framed it for years. It's fear mongering. Come down here and see for yourself. And if you don't even live in the US shut the **** up. It kills me because my MAGA family yells about illegal immigrants and the border but we aren't close to the border and there's maybe 10 immigrants in the entire town and those are the ones who run their favorite restaurant they run to every Sunday after church it's all fear mongering. 4
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