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[i spit on haters]

2 hours ago, Chemist said:

They looks a like

 

 

Could have fooled me. 

[Relampago.]

4 minutes ago, on the line said:

Now this I fully agree with, but I could do without the name calling and derogatory labels. This forum reads increasingly more like Fox News commenters by the day.

I agree with this too, but I kind of cackled cause we both agree on this but likely for completely opposite reasons  

[Lil Mistee]

28 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

You know, I had the same feeling when the protestors started in Detroit. I thought: "Kamala is NOT going to budge, she wants to get elected and this is just going to turn people off from the Gaza protests." Then… Kamala adjusted her language the very next day at the very rally I was at to be more sympathetic to protestor's voices. 

 

Seeing that, I realized the protestors were right to do that. Kamala moved, even if it was just a little, likely because she felt the backlash from her response in Detroit. 

 

So I get the whole "strategy now, pressure later", but in that same vein the pressure on Kamala is more powerful now since she needs our votes. It makes the most sense to protest and make our voices heard now, since she needs votes. It was actually rather impressive to me how quickly Kamala's campaign was adapting to discourse. That seemed to go out the window this DNC, but I'm hopeful she'll continue to move as long as people continue to make their voices heard— now and after the election. 

But what would you say to the people who are, practically, never satisfied ? 

[Raspberries]

 

[on the line]

6 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

I agree with this too, but I kind of cackled cause we both agree on this but likely for completely opposite reasons  

I will pray harder for you then!

[Relampago.]

13 minutes ago, Bloo said:

Kamala Harris and her campaign have made the conscious choice that running on policy is a bad idea. They are sticking to an Obama model of personality, relatability, and joy to inspire people to vote for them instead of Trump rather than laying out a clear policy agenda.

 

Given the circumstances, I think it was more than reasonable to allow the campaign to have some time to get their ducks in a row and sort out their policy narrative. But, the DNC is passed. Kamala gave amorphous and abstract inklings of policy in her speech that mostly focused on unity, strength, and "return to normal" rhetoric.

 

That's the message. She's not interested in being an ideologue of any sort.

And that's fair, it reminds me of 2020 when Warren was being pressed on how exactly she supported M4A any differently than how Bernie supports it. Once she did release that policy a bit later on, people used it as ammo to discredit her and the ideas. How I or others feel about Warren's taxing businesses approach aside, it was pretty clear that people who were Bernie supporters weren't likely to move to Liz and vice versa, and that policy release opened up her up to a huge wave of criticisms.

 

Maybe Kamala's team feels that it's best to keep the ~good vibes~ going, rather than bog themselves down with questions and critiques from policy wonks and people wanting to tear her down however they can. I could see that, I only hope she's prepared to address why there isn't solid, specific policy out yet. 

 

And for what it's worth, I don't think anyone tuned into the campaign is under any illusions about what a Harris administration will look like, generally. Possibly a little further left than Biden, but it's not as if we're going from Biden to Bernie where there's a lot of questions. It'll just be business as usual for the most part. 

[FameFatale]

 

[Vermillion]

 

[on the line]

4 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

And that's fair, it reminds me of 2020 when Warren was being pressed on how exactly she supported M4A any differently than how Bernie supports it. Once she did release that policy a bit later on, people used it as ammo to discredit her and the ideas. How I or others feel about Warren's taxing businesses approach aside, it was pretty clear that people who were Bernie supporters weren't likely to move to Liz and vice versa, and that policy release opened up her up to a huge wave of criticisms.

 

Maybe Kamala's team feels that it's best to keep the ~good vibes~ going, rather than bog themselves down with questions and critiques from policy wonks and people wanting to tear her down however they can. I could see that, I only hope she's prepared to address why there isn't solid, specific policy out yet. 

 

And for what it's worth, I don't think anyone tuned into the campaign is under any illusions about what a Harris administration will look like, generally. Possibly a little further left than Biden, but it's not as if we're going from Biden to Bernie where there's a lot of questions. It'll just be business as usual for the most part. 

I respectfully disagree. Many of your comrades have, and continue, to think otherwise as they continue to push her further and further left into the un-winnable category. Though, the real truth is, that may be what they actually want. It sounds like you're being logical (somewhat anyway) and will vote for Harris, but several of your comrades refuse to address who they will vote for.

[hausofdave]

 

[Butters]

RFK dropping out of the ballot in every swing state but leaving it on safe ones 

Edited August 23 by Butters

[FameFatale]

3 minutes ago, hausofdave said:

 

Me thinking I was going to marry Justin Timberlake in 2000

 

[FameFatale]

Amy!!

 

 

[GhostBox]

27 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

 

The man is senile. No one will care what he says or who he endorses in a week 😂

 

 

[Elusive Chanteuse]

12 minutes ago, Butters said:

RFK dropping out of the ballot in every swing state but leaving it on safe ones 

Is that legal? 

[Bears01]

24 minutes ago, FameFatale said:

 

Only states I could possibly see it failing in is Florida because of the 60% threshold and South Dakota. Everywhere else, no way at all. Solid chance this knocks Don Bacon out 

 

5 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

The man is senile. No one will care what he says or who he endorses in a week 😂

 

 

You desperately need to start saying something critical of the race and democrats from time to time please. 

[Relampago.]

30 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said:

But what would you say to the people who are, practically, never satisfied ? 

Honestly, I think people are fairly easily placated, especially Americans. There are people who won't rest until M4A is law, housing is a right, college is free, etc. And that's a good thing, we as a country should always be striving for better, even if it takes awhile. But there can't be progress without the squeak wheels asking for oil.

 

Then, there is a very, very small minority of people who will never be satisfied and simply want to go against the grain or be grifters. They're pretty easily distinguishable from people genuinely standing up for what they believe in (see: Tulsi Gabbard, Krysten Sinema versus Bernie Sanders, Ilhan Omar, etc). We can obviously ignore those people, they're harmful to everyone, but they're not as prevalent as I think people feel they are.

 

Just looking at this thread the past month, so many people were in here gagged and gooped that Kamala chose Walz and also changed her rhetoric regarding Gaza protesters at her rally. It's such a a small gesture and it got so many people excited. I can only imagine what the response from the alleged bad faith actors would be if human rights to medical care and housing were achieved, while also seeing corporations and big banks finally be taken on as enemies of the common people, among many other things. I hope I can live to see that day beside the tears of joy would be flowing from me and many others.

 

 

[Musicmajor]

21 minutes ago, hausofdave said:

 

sure jan! in all seriousness, i think his supporters will spread out in going to trump, some going to kamala and some staying home. the only reason he had a path was because of the double haters that didn't want biden or trump. that kind of vanishes when kamala enters the race. so overall, im not worried about him endorsing trump. kamala campaign will try to tie all his crazy nonsense he has said and stands for to trump anyway.

[Bloo]

29 minutes ago, on the line said:

I respectfully disagree. Many of your comrades have, and continue, to think otherwise as they continue to push her further and further left into the un-winnable category. Though, the real truth is, that may be what they actually want. It sounds like you're being logical (somewhat anyway) and will vote for Harris, but several of your comrades refuse to address who they will vote for.

Me (and others): "Let's stop spending billions of dollars on bombs to murder children overseas and use that money to invest in our own schools, roads, bridges, and healthcare."

 

You: "That's a radical, far-left idea."

 

Voters: 

[dman4life]

I've never really heard RFK Jr talk does he always sound like that?? 

[shelven]

5 minutes ago, dman4life said:

I've never really heard RFK Jr talk does he always sound like that?? 

Yeah, apparently he has some medical condition that's caused him to speak like that for decades (I can't remember which one). 
 

Anyways, I wrote a longer post about RFK in here a few days ago, but I'm too lazy to dig it up while on mobile, so the tl;dr is that him dropping out in the swing states is a net negative for Harris (not a huge one, though), but him explicitly endorsing Trump doesn't make it any worse because all of his remaining supporters were MAGA-aligned anyways. It would be like if Jill Stein dropped out and endorsed Harris - the dropping out part would be slightly bad for Trump, but the endorsement wouldn't matter because her supporters were never going to him anyways

[on the line]

4 minutes ago, Bloo said:

Me (and others): "Let's stop spending billions of dollars on bombs to murder children overseas and use that money to invest in our own schools, roads, bridges, and healthcare."

 

You: "That's a radical, far-left idea."

 

Voters: 

1. Don't quote me with things I didn't say. Very disingenuous of you.

 

2. This chart actually shows the majority of Americans want some involvement. The headline is also disingenuous. 

 

[Ghiles]

Green Party is the future. 

Vote Jill Stein, the only left-wing and genocide-opposing candidate in the race! 

[GhostBox]

32 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

Only states I could possibly see it failing in is Florida because of the 60% threshold and South Dakota. Everywhere else, no way at all. Solid chance this knocks Don Bacon out 

 

You desperately need to start saying something critical of the race and democrats from time to time please. 

RFK dropping out isn't anything serious 💀

[GhostBox]

This is who the gop has nominated 💀