Butters Posted August 23 Posted August 23 still no platform/policy page on the campaign website after the DNC is crazy 4
Lil Mistee Posted August 23 Posted August 23 19 minutes ago, dman4life said: Idk what's happening but I'm seeing so many Katy Perry posts in hereย It's a woman's world!ย 1
Relampago. Posted August 23 Posted August 23 8 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: I know this is just campaign talk mostly but idkโฆ it warms my little slightly anarchist heart. She really does seem like a sweet auntie through and through. I think in a perfect world Kamala would do the things the progressive left are asking of her but โฆ there's history and politics getting in the way.ย ย I am older now but I used to be the same as the people we see on Twitter calling her out saying they hate the Dems, or that blue maga exist (it doesn't).ย ย I realize now you must have nuance in the way you view the world, especially in politics. I voted for ******* Gary Johnson in 2016 and look where we are now. I fully own up and admit my mistake and I bet if trump wins in four years these people will admit their mistakes of either not voting, voting third party, and/or being super actively anti democrat. I just hope we can come together for this election and then pressure the one administration that listens (sometimes, not most of the time, but sometimes, and that's better than none.)ย Sorry girl, I like Kamala's personality and find her charismatic, but there will never be anything wrong with protesting and petitioning the government to pressure them into serving the wants of people they are meant to serve. ย Criticisms of politicians is not the same as being anti-(insert political party/ideology). In order for politicians to change, you HAVE to show them you want change. Liberals and hardcore dems need to realize that people questioning or rejecting Kamala's policy or lack thereof aren't just mean spirited, bad faith, chaos agents. Sure, maybe some are sometimes. But most people who criticize Harris are doing so in pursuit of a better future, because presidents come and go and parties' power flips back and forth, but problems remain.ย ย I don't think I'll ever regret talking about problems within the Democratic Party because that's what people should do. I wouldn't ever idolize a politician nor a partyโ these figures are supposed to work for the American people like me and you, we don't owe them jack ****. If protestors and anti-Democrat sentiment resonates with people who are hearing it from their peers or reading it online, that is not the fault of the people sharing their ideals. It is the fault of the politicians failing to bring people into the fold with policies they'd actually want to vote for. 6 1 2
dlwlrma Posted August 23 Posted August 23 12 hours ago, GhostBox said: He's so ******* stupid ๐ literally people only care about him because of his looksย ย deserved to be kicked 1
Relampago. Posted August 23 Posted August 23 16 minutes ago, Butters said: still no platform/policy page on the campaign website after the DNC is crazy No likeโฆ they need to get that up ASAP. I don't know what the hesitation is ย Kamala is going to have 3 major talking points she needs to address during the debate, because it's almost certainly going to come up: ย 1.) Where's the policy page? Where are the policies? 2.) The Economy/"Bidenomics" 3.) Her time as VP and the border ย I hope she's prepared and they get a platform page up ASAP, like by the end of this weekend would be ideal. 1
Lil Mistee Posted August 23 Posted August 23 32 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Sorry girl, I like Kamala's personality and find her charismatic, but there will never be anything wrong with protesting and petitioning the government to pressure them into serving the wants of people they are meant to serve. ย Criticisms of politicians is not the same as being anti-(insert political party/ideology). In order for politicians to change, you HAVE to show them you want change. Liberals and hardcore dems need to realize that people questioning or rejecting Kamala's policy or lack thereof aren't just mean spirited, bad faith, chaos agents. Sure, maybe some are sometimes. But most people who criticize Harris are doing so in pursuit of a better future, because presidents come and go and parties' power flips back and forth, but problems remain.ย ย I don't think I'll ever regret talking about problems within the Democratic Party because that's what people should do. I wouldn't ever idolize a politician nor a partyโ these figures are supposed to work for the American people like me and you, we don't owe them jack ****. If protestors and anti-Democrat sentiment resonates with people who are hearing it from their peers or reading it online, that is not the fault of the people sharing their ideals. It is the fault of the politicians failing to bring people into the fold with policies they'd actually want to vote for. Mama I said we should be doing this, but timing henny. We can pressure the **** out of them once they're in office.ย 3
shelven Posted August 23 Posted August 23 The Katy thread getting merged with this one made it so confusing to catch up on the last few pages 3
Lil Mistee Posted August 23 Posted August 23 3 minutes ago, shelven said: The Katy thread getting merged with this one made it so confusing to catch up on the last few pages Oooh that's what happened I was so confused lmaooo I thought someone randomly brought her upย
shelven Posted August 23 Posted August 23 ย Trump having all three of the Top 3 longest times ย His entire political history can truly just be boiled down to the simple fact that he's a narcissist and egomaniac who loves the sound of his own voice 3
hausofdave Posted August 23 Posted August 23 (edited) Harris/Walz has the blue collar/pro-union messaging edge, is bringing in more cash, and has a much larger volunteer army ย PA is a must win for Trump Edited August 23 by hausofdave
on the line Posted August 23 Posted August 23 1 hour ago, Relampago. said: I wouldn't even bother engaging with that user, I haven't seen them say anything kind or positive. They come in here to whine about leftists/progressives being whiny and out of touch and don't offer anything but negativity, while ironically calling out how negative leftists are for envisioning a world where people have healthcare and housing as a human right and children across the globe don't have to fear freedom bombs blowing up their families and homes.ย My positive post about how things are not as dire as they are being portrayed in this thread got many likes from users who don't actively post in this thread. I wonder why they don't feel like they can comment too? On the flip side, every comment I make is down voted by the committee members I've put on ignore. I assume they are replying to me too bc I see several blank messages under my comments from the aforementioned. Oh well. 1 3
Relampago. Posted August 23 Posted August 23 2 minutes ago, on the line said: My positive post about how things are not as dire as they are being portrayed in this thread got many likes from users who don't actively post in this thread. I wonder why they don't feel like they can comment too? On the flip side, every comment I make is down voted by the committee members I've put on ignore. I assume they are replying to me too bc I see several blank messages under my comments from the aforementioned. Oh well. I'm not really concerned about ATRLers feeling afraid of Mean 'Ol Relampago. quoting them and engaging in discourse about why rejection of genocide is comparable to being a Trumper.ย ย Seriously, everyone needs to stop being so sensitive and get some perspective. I understand some users here are more abrasive than others, but it's a discussion forum and a thread about politics. It's such an unserious stance to come in here, post about controversial topics (and yes, politics are inherently controversial), then get upset when people reply with vigor. If your only tactic is to ignore people, let that be your tactic, but acting as though a downvote is a horrible response considering the things that get implied, or even said, is kinda hilarious.ย 4 1
Relampago. Posted August 23 Posted August 23 35 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: Mama I said we should be doing this, but timing henny. We can pressure the **** out of them once they're in office.ย You know, I had the same feeling when the protestors started in Detroit. I thought: "Kamala is NOT going to budge, she wants to get elected and this is just going to turn people off from the Gaza protests." Thenโฆ Kamala adjusted her language the very next day at the very rally I was at to be more sympathetic to protestor's voices.ย ย Seeing that, I realized the protestors were right to do that. Kamala moved, even if it was just a little, likely because she felt the backlash from her response in Detroit.ย ย So I get the whole "strategy now, pressure later", but in that same vein the pressure on Kamala is more powerful now since she needs our votes. It makes the most sense to protest and make our voices heard now, since she needs votes. It was actually rather impressive to me how quickly Kamala's campaign was adapting to discourse. That seemed to go out the window this DNC, but I'm hopeful she'll continue to move as long as people continue to make their voices heardโ now and after the election.ย 1
Relampago. Posted August 23 Posted August 23 3 minutes ago, FameFatale said: ย I made this point to my bf the other day, but just seeing how normal and healthy the Harris-Emhoff and Walz families are in comparison to Trump/Vance is so telling. ย I always feel like coming for family members is tacky and irrelevant, but the Trumps seem so out of touch and dysfunctional, literally serving a reality TV show family in the worst ways. I can see why someone might agree with Trump's policies if they feel it helps them, but he's such a nasty person and the family he built kind of reflects that. I couldn't take someone running on protecting kids and families seriously if they had something like that going on. 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted August 23 ATRL Moderator Posted August 23 1 hour ago, Relampago. said: No likeโฆ they need to get that up ASAP. I don't know what the hesitation is ย Kamala is going to have 3 major talking points she needs to address during the debate, because it's almost certainly going to come up: ย 1.) Where's the policy page? Where are the policies? 2.) The Economy/"Bidenomics" 3.) Her time as VP and the border ย I hope she's prepared and they get a platform page up ASAP, like by the end of this weekend would be ideal. Kamala Harris and her campaign have made the conscious choice that running on policy is a bad idea. They are sticking to an Obama model of personality, relatability, and joyย to inspire people to vote for them instead of Trump rather than laying out a clear policy agenda. ย Given the circumstances, I think it was more than reasonable to allow the campaign to have some time to get their ducks in a row and sort out their policy narrative. But, the DNC is passed. Kamala gave amorphous and abstract inklings of policy in her speech that mostly focused on unity, strength, and "return to normal" rhetoric. ย That's the message. She's not interested in being an ideologue of any sort. 5
Sanctuary Posted August 23 Posted August 23 Haven't been active in a few days, but I've been keeping up with the DNC. To recap: no Palestinians were given a chance to speak, border agents and Republicansย wereย platformed, and Kamala ended her speech with a ton of Zionist language and zero accountability for the current administration's funding of Israel. Very disappointing to see. The whole event felt straight out of 2016. They completely missed the mark. ย ย 2 4 1
on the line Posted August 23 Posted August 23 19 minutes ago, Relampago. said: I'm not really concerned about ATRLers feeling afraid of Mean 'Ol Relampago. quoting them and engaging in discourse about why rejection of genocide is comparable to being a Trumper.ย ย Seriously, everyone needs to stop being so sensitive and get some perspective. I understand some users here are more abrasive than others, but it's a discussion forum and a thread about politics. It's such an unserious stance to come in here, post about controversial topics (and yes, politics are inherently controversial), then get upset when people reply with vigor. If your only tactic is to ignore people, let that be your tactic, but acting as though a downvote is a horrible response considering the things that get implied, or even said, is kinda hilarious.ย Now this I fully agree with, but I could do without the name calling and derogatory labels. This forum reads increasingly more like Fox News commenters by the day. 1 3
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