shelven Posted August 23 Posted August 23 4 minutes ago, Bloo said: I mean. Yes. They're not statistically equal, but there's too much variability between polls to say any confidently about the nature of any polling sample. It's too difficult to have a sound, reliable understanding of what that bell curve looks like for any given poll. That's why the +/- 3 points rule for a statistical tie is the simplest explanation to address the variability of polling data without having to go too much into the statistics. Yeah, we're in agreement substantively about what the data means, I've just always had a personal frustration for the term "statistical tie" (obviously not directed at you personally; tons of people use it) because it falsely suggests to the average uninformed person that the two candidates have a statistically equal chance of winning the state. But in reality, the candidate on the positive end of the margin loses in materially fewer scenarios than the candidate on the negative end of the margin (even if it's hard to say what that exact number of scenarios actually is, to your point). Anyways, just venting about a pet peeve of mine that stems from how terrible the mainstream media is at explaining polls to voters 3
toxicgenie Posted August 23 Posted August 23 11 minutes ago, Relampago. said: You know ATRL-libs lost the plot when they start touting even Meghan McCain as a reliable, totally in touch with the electorate, example of how the DNC slayed. It's literally the popular opinion across the spectrum. Just shows how on the margins the ATRL bubble is, where up is down and down is up. 2 1 3
K.O Posted August 23 Posted August 23 Kamala's speech was pretty lackluster if I'm being honest. Can someone answer this for me. Why does she mention the middle class in her speeches but not the working class? What even is the middle class, honestly? Has it ever truly existed? I think that's the biggest mistake that Democrats could make, ignoring the working class. 1 3 2 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted August 23 ATRL Moderator Posted August 23 1 minute ago, toxicgenie said: It's literally the popular opinion across the spectrum. Just shows how on the margins the ATRL bubble is, where up is down and down is up. Babe, the criticism of Kamala’s speech is that it’s generic. Generic speeches always get praised by normies. Donald Trump made Vance Jones climax on national TV because he spoke with an indoor voice whlie giving a generic speech for his first state of the union. I don’t understand why y’all are so sensitive to the most tepid commentary. 3 1
GhostBox Posted August 23 Posted August 23 (edited) The one thing that makes me believe the Trump team think hes in real Trouble is the love letter he just posted tonight to the GOV of Georgia 💀 also the fact his team are literally posting it all over social media making it seem like some HUGE news we should applaud him for 😂 Edited August 23 by GhostBox 1
Jackson Posted August 23 Posted August 23 8 minutes ago, K.O said: Kamala's speech was pretty lackluster if I'm being honest. Can someone answer this for me. Why does she mention the middle class in her speeches but not the working class? What even is the middle class, honestly? Has it ever truly existed? I think that's the biggest mistake that Democrats could make, ignoring the working class. Americans all think they're middle class. The rich downplay their wealth and the working class see their economic troubles as temporary. There's a reason most candidates for decades have focused their message on the middle class. Edit: polling on this. 24% more Americans identify as middle class than working class https://news.gallup.com/poll/645281/steady-americans-identify-middle-class.aspx 3
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted August 23 ATRL Moderator Posted August 23 5 minutes ago, K.O said: Kamala's speech was pretty lackluster if I'm being honest. Can someone answer this for me. Why does she mention the middle class in her speeches but not the working class? What even is the middle class, honestly? Has it ever truly existed? I think that's the biggest mistake that Democrats could make, ignoring the working class. They’re (mostly) the same thing. Middle class is posited as being between working class and upper class. But the upper class are so astronomically higher than the middle class that “middle class” and “working class” are used interchangeably. 1
Kylizzle Posted August 23 Posted August 23 3 minutes ago, Bloo said: Babe, the criticism of Kamala's speech is that it's generic. Generic speeches always get praised by normies. Donald Trump made Vance Jones climax on national TV because he spoke with an indoor voice whlie giving a generic speech for his first state of the union. I don't understand why y'all are so sensitive to the most tepid commentary. These "ChatGPT, write me a Democrat candidate's speech about unity and hope with some sinophobia thrown in" type speeches always gag a certain type of voter. Not sure how or why. 1 4
ks_dollar Posted August 23 Posted August 23 (edited) If Kamala catered to the ATRL Doomers, she'd lose big time. She is being strategic Edited August 23 by ks_dollar 8 2
Harrier Posted August 23 Posted August 23 8 minutes ago, K.O said: Kamala's speech was pretty lackluster if I'm being honest. Can someone answer this for me. Why does she mention the middle class in her speeches but not the working class? What even is the middle class, honestly? Has it ever truly existed? I think that's the biggest mistake that Democrats could make, ignoring the working class. Most working class people identify with the term middle class. American aspirationalism and all that. It's old school politics, I do agree there's no harm in her using that term as well though which she has been on the campaign trail 2
Butters Posted August 23 Posted August 23 It's sad to see how trans rights were ignored largely this DNC and lately in general. Especially when anti-trans rhetoric and legislation is so popular and visible on the Republican platform this cycle. Do party leaders think it's too contentious, and that people who support trans rights would have no options but to vote for them anyway? 5 4
toxicgenie Posted August 23 Posted August 23 8 minutes ago, Bloo said: Babe, the criticism of Kamala's speech is that it's generic. Generic speeches always get praised by normies. Donald Trump made Vance Jones climax on national TV because he spoke with an indoor voice whlie giving a generic speech for his first state of the union. I don't understand why y'all are so sensitive to the most tepid commentary. I don't think it was the best speech of the convention, but it was presidential, came across natural, and it was her best speech yet. It got the job done! Let's celebrate that. 5
GhostBox Posted August 23 Posted August 23 13 minutes ago, Butters said: It's sad to see how trans rights were ignored largely this DNC and lately in general. Especially when anti-trans rhetoric and legislation is so popular and visible on the Republican platform this cycle. Do party leaders think it's too contentious, and that people who support trans rights would have no options but to vote for them anyway? They literally had many videos and speakers all week talk about LGBTQ rights and how Harris has supported them and will continue to. 🤷 3 1
midnightdawn Posted August 23 Posted August 23 25 minutes ago, K.O said: Kamala's speech was pretty lackluster if I'm being honest. Can someone answer this for me. Why does she mention the middle class in her speeches but not the working class? What even is the middle class, honestly? Has it ever truly existed? I think that's the biggest mistake that Democrats could make, ignoring the working class. Frank Luntz was saying recently that basically a lot of people in that demographic don't want to be labeled working class and find it a bit insulting. 1
Mr. Blue_Shirt Posted August 23 Posted August 23 Seeing Cenk Uygur and Meghan McCain tweets back-to-back in this thread really ruined my mood for today, my goodness 1 8
Distantconstellation Posted August 23 Posted August 23 21 minutes ago, Butters said: It's sad to see how trans rights were ignored largely this DNC and lately in general. Especially when anti-trans rhetoric and legislation is so popular and visible on the Republican platform this cycle. Do party leaders think it's too contentious, and that people who support trans rights would have no options but to vote for them anyway? It's because trans people make such a tiny percentage and because I'm the first black female president, or gender woke stuff doesn't poll well which is why u dont hear any of that. The dems wanted to move away from that. Trans rights were just thrown with LGBT mentioned here and there and that's it. 1
Relampago. Posted August 23 Posted August 23 58 minutes ago, Butters said: It's sad to see how trans rights were ignored largely this DNC and lately in general. Especially when anti-trans rhetoric and legislation is so popular and visible on the Republican platform this cycle. Do party leaders think it's too contentious, and that people who support trans rights would have no options but to vote for them anyway? Honestly, it's a fight that Republicans tried to take on in 2022 and it cost them. I think right now Dems don't see it as a pressing issue, even though it is and will be for the foreseeable future, but the reality is that Republicans are going to be very tepid on LGBTQ issues this time around because people did not give a **** about their culture war in 2022. So, there's not really a huge reason from a winning campaign standpoint to address it. LGBTQ people will already more than likely turn out for Kamala and Republicans aren't going to foolishly press on it for a second election cycle.
ClashAndBurn Posted August 23 Posted August 23 2 hours ago, GhostBox said: Seems like the majority of people are praising the speech 👏🏼👏🏼 Glad to see both right-wing parties can come together over a right-wing speech touting right-wing immigration policies 5 2
Wonderland Posted August 23 Posted August 23 2 hours ago, Save-Me-Oprah said: Not you coming out as a stan after a TMZ drag
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