ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted August 23 ATRL Moderator Posted August 23 6 minutes ago, BOOMBAYAH said: Random question, but do you think she avoids discussing LGBTQ+ rights as explicitly as before—like only saying 'love who you love' instead of specifically mentioning 'gay,' 'lesbian,' 'trans,' etc.—because it's become a non-issue in Democratic politics, or because it might be too polarizing and could cost her votes? I was thinking about how, in the last election, Biden would explicitly say 'protect Black trans women,' but now, it feels almost unimaginable for him or Kamala to say something like that today. It’s because the T in LGBTQ+ is too polarizing now. Hillary Clinton was advocating that Democrats not push on trans issues because of how polarizing it is. So, yes, they’re using the “love who you want to love” language to avoid the baited pushback. 1
rivers Posted August 23 Posted August 23 4 minutes ago, Wonderland said: I bet it was that Curry video endorsement that was a complete non-factor in the schedule Omg that tweet about San Francisco people will be happy about it makes complete sense now 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted August 23 ATRL Moderator Posted August 23 6 minutes ago, Pikachoo said: according to NYT/Siena cross tabs of registered voters in Arizona, Georgia, Nevada and North Carolina most important issue this election: economy: 22% abortion: 14% immigration: 13% inflation/ cost of living: 7% character/ competence of candidate: 6% state of democracy/corruption: 5% equality/inequality: 4% polarization/division : 3% dislike of opposing candidate: 3% health care, gun policies, israel/palestine, taxes, racism, = 1% crime, russia/ukraine, climate change, election integrity, education, <1% This has nothing to do with Michigan which has one of the largest Arab-American voter populations in the country. 2
Bethenny Frankel Posted August 23 Posted August 23 @Communion I have you on ignore for a reason, I would appreciate it if you didn't react to my posts. Thank you! 5 2
Pikachoo Posted August 23 Posted August 23 1 minute ago, Bloo said: This has nothing to do with Michigan which has one of the largest Arab-American voter populations in the country. most polls that I've seen actually show Michigan as Harris' strongest rust belt state.
Jackson Posted August 23 Posted August 23 ATRL really is a different world because everyone on social media was gushing over her speech and yet the usual suspects on here are still finding problems with it Obviously she wasn't going to write the exact speech that fits any one person's ideology but that's what made it so great! There were parts of that speech that would appeal to mainstream libs, independents, leftists, and maybe even some center-right conservatives. She's the type of nominee we haven't had since I've been old enough to vote and I'm SO excited to cast my vote in November. 7 6 5
monologueNacafe Posted August 23 Posted August 23 7 minutes ago, Bloo said: It's because the T in LGBTQ+ is too polarizing now. Hillary Clinton was advocating that Democrats not push on trans issues because of how polarizing it is. So, yes, they're using the "love who you want to love" language to avoid the baited pushback. Yeah I noticed the T missing from the acronym in a few speeches
Gov Hooka Posted August 23 Posted August 23 2 minutes ago, SlayianaGrenade said: It's crazy cause anytime we bring this up it's down votes galore. The truth really hurts leftist. I'm always gonna support freeing Palestine but the delusion is astonishing! The problem is I see posts like this bring up the obvious apathy/selfishness/stupidity of the American voter as a way to justify their own complacency with not giving enough of a **** about Palestine and thus justify the gross actions of the US gov. And I'm not saying this about you in particular but it's usually in response to protestors' actions against the dem party/politicians and when coupled with the whole "I'm as pro-Palestine as you can be," it reads as incredibly disingenuous… 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted August 23 ATRL Moderator Posted August 23 2 minutes ago, Pikachoo said: most polls that I've seen actually show Michigan as Harris' strongest rust belt state. She is statistically tied with Trump in the RCP average. That’s not a good sign. https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/michigan/trump-vs-harris
Kylizzle Posted August 23 Posted August 23 11 minutes ago, Redstreak said: It just doesn't feel like that hot of a topic in this cycle Trump was calling a biological woman a man for a full week 1
Mariah4life Posted August 23 Posted August 23 2 minutes ago, Jackson said: ATRL really is a different world because everyone on social media was gushing over her speech and yet the usual suspects on here are still finding problems with it Obviously she wasn't going to write the exact speech that fits any one person's ideology but that's what made it so great! There were parts of that speech that would appeal to mainstream libs, independents, leftists, and maybe even some center-right conservatives. She's the type of nominee we haven't had since I've been old enough to vote and I'm SO excited to cast my vote in November. Seriously, everything about the speech focuses on the main issues that she can win majority of votes from and not on controversial issues that the other side can exploit her weakness from. If you think you're smarter than her team who strategically choreographed this speech you're dead wrong. If something is left out it is for a good reason 3
Gov Hooka Posted August 23 Posted August 23 9 minutes ago, Bloo said: This has nothing to do with Michigan which has one of the largest Arab-American voter populations in the country. I'm really curious to see what Rashida Tlaib does going forward. Ideally she rejects the Harris candidacy until there's an arms embargo and joins and advocates for the uncommitted movement across the Detroit metro area. I doubt she has the guts but the movement needs a more easily recognized figure to advocate for it. 1
Gui Blackout Posted August 23 Posted August 23 Very good speech. She did wat she needed to do: told who she is and where she came from, reflected on the path and work that lead her to this moment, laid out her presidential vision for the country and world, and the contrast between her and her adversary. The base is happy and energized, and it was appealing for undecided/independents. Unsurprisingly only annoying lefties are criticizing so that's when you know it's job well done. Overall, a great convention. Everything ran smoothly, they had the nice combination of entertainment and strong messaging. Now hit the ground running and keep up the momentum. 8 3 6
Pikachoo Posted August 23 Posted August 23 1 minute ago, Bloo said: She is statistically tied with Trump in the RCP average. That's not a good sign. https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/michigan/trump-vs-harris I see she's up 2 points? but regardless look at the trends; she's been closing the gap. she's picking up momentum. upswing tick which is a very good sign shes closed the gap
Relampago. Posted August 23 Posted August 23 21 minutes ago, Pikachoo said: according to NYT/Siena cross tabs of registered voters in Arizona, Georgia, Nevada and North Carolina most important issue this election: economy: 22% abortion: 14% immigration: 13% inflation/ cost of living: 7% character/ competence of candidate: 6% state of democracy/corruption: 5% equality/inequality: 4% polarization/division : 3% dislike of opposing candidate: 3% health care, gun policies, israel/palestine, taxes, racism, = 1% crime, russia/ukraine, climate change, election integrity, education, <1% Climate Change being <1%… Ouuu the 2040s are gonna be such a wake up call 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted August 23 ATRL Moderator Posted August 23 2 minutes ago, Pikachoo said: I see she's up 2 points? but regardless look at the trends; she's been closing the gap. she's picking up momentum. upswing tick which is a very good sign shes closed the gap The margin of error is just over 3 points. If you’re within 3 points, you’re statistically tied.
Pikachoo Posted August 23 Posted August 23 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bloo said: The margin of error is just over 3 points. If you're within 3 points, you're statistically tied. well, yeah. of course this is all within margin of error. no one denies that at this point, the race is a tossup. but it's nonetheless encouraging that she's been trending upward. a statistic tie only favors Trump if polls are yet again underestimating him for a third time Edited August 23 by Pikachoo 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted August 23 ATRL Moderator Posted August 23 8 minutes ago, Mariah4life said: Seriously, everything about the speech focuses on the main issues that she can win majority of votes from and not on controversial issues that the other side can exploit her weakness from. If you think you're smarter than her team who strategically choreographed this speech you're dead wrong. If something is left out it is for a good reason When I was a shill for Hillary Clinton, I remember making this exact same argument back then. 1 1
Relampago. Posted August 23 Posted August 23 21 minutes ago, Bethenny Frankel said: exactly, even with the uncommitted voters not voting for Biden in 2020 now, Biden still wins Michigan. Some people truly don't look at the numbers. You can have all the sympathy for Palestinians that you want, myself included, but the average idiot American voter is going to care about what's happening in America FIRST, not in another country I'm cackling at you calling people idiots then talking about Michigan even though it's not listed as one of the polled states at the very top of that easy to read post that Miss Choo laid out. I hope y'all are as smart as the confidence bordering on arrogance would indicate, but.. this is ATRL so 1 2
justin. Posted August 23 Posted August 23 6 minutes ago, spree said: who was the special guest? Balloons 3
WildAmerican Posted August 23 Posted August 23 some of y'all in this thread are just exhausting. pls go touch grass, do something irl, etc. bc you're not solving any world problems by arguing and posting in this thread 5 1 7
Recommended Posts