SlayianaGrenade Posted August 23 Posted August 23 Leftist in here as always not satisfied. The speech was great. The genocide of Palestinians is never going to be the number one issue for American voters. Not a fan of the VERY strong stance on Israel, wish she'd been more neutral but that was expected. 9 2 5
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted August 23 ATRL Moderator Posted August 23 Just now, The Music Industry said: Just asked ChatGPT to do a draft speech and If you told me this was the transcript from Kamala’s spech I would have believed you
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted August 23 Author ATRL Moderator Posted August 23 This is not a speech that will change anything. Kamala supporters will find it great, Kamala skeptics to the left will continue to have (understandable) concerns about her plans in office, Republicans will find it too radical and those few undecided voters in the middle will probably not be affected enough either way
GhostBox Posted August 23 Posted August 23 1 minute ago, The Music Industry said: Just asked ChatGPT to do a draft speech and I mean that's something every candidate for president says and should say 😂
Popular Post JustHoran Posted August 23 Popular Post Posted August 23 I watch the DNC every year, she was fantastic. I can't wait to vote for her as President. I went over to watch the final night with my mom and she was in tears watching her. 14 3
WildAmerican Posted August 23 Posted August 23 Just now, khalyan said: This is not a speech that will change anything. Kamala supporters will find it great, Kamala skeptics to the left will continue to have (understandable) concerns about her plans in office, Republicans will find it too radical and those few undecided voters in the middle will probably not be affected enough either way which is why this election will be decided by the weather and traffic in 6 states on a Tuesday in November 3 3
GhostBox Posted August 23 Posted August 23 1 minute ago, khalyan said: This is not a speech that will change anything. Kamala supporters will find it great, Kamala skeptics to the left will continue to have (understandable) concerns about her plans in office, Republicans will find it too radical and those few undecided voters in the middle will probably not be affected enough either way So basically everyone retreats to their corner like they always do 🤷 1 1
WildAmerican Posted August 23 Posted August 23 22 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said: I'm not sad, I'm genuinely concerned and worried for how bad her admin is going to be on several issues and we have peabrained asshats in the crowd cheering this bullshit on… She's likely going to win as of what the polls are saying now (even though I'm going to fight like hell to make sure she loses in Michigan) because of how awful a candidate trump is but geez she is effectively handing the presidency to the GOP in 2028. 4 more years of centrist inaction and incrementalism at best or horrific continued rightwing shifts on Palestinian genocide, MIC handouts immigration, policing, oil/gas drilling, privatized Medicare, etc at worst. it's not looking good longterm. None in the Dem base have expressed any desire to actually push this party to the left on several policies i'm gonna donate to the MI Dem party bc of this brb 1
Kylizzle Posted August 23 Posted August 23 Democrats make the same speech every time. Do y'all actually believe she's going to pass these bills she speaks of? 4
Wonderland Posted August 23 Posted August 23 So did P!nk swing from the rafters? Sorry I had to pop out for a bit and completely missed it 4
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted August 23 ATRL Moderator Posted August 23 12 minutes ago, MAKSIM said: We can't even get guns banned domestically and y'all are expecting the median voter to engage in debate and discourse over the two state solution in Israel/Palestine. Let's be serious. Let's keep the talking points simple, return the hostages and get a ceasefire. Huh? What kind of strawman is this? Do you think it’s easier to convince a conservative to ban guns domestically or stop spending billions of dollars on a war that doesn’t involve us? Conservatives in America are very isolationist in terms of foreign policy. A weapons embargo has a very easy sales pitch to conservative voters. Nobody on the left is advocating for a weapons ban because we all know that that’s not remotely winnable given our country’s gun culture. 1 4
Vermillion Posted August 23 Posted August 23 Not seeing any stats on Dobbs motivation and the Kamala switch-out good enough yet to rebut the theory that without a ceasefire at the minimum by October Kamala will lose Michigan. 1 1
Sannie Posted August 23 Posted August 23 6 minutes ago, rivers said: I agree. Have we forgotten how polarized this country is rn?? Leftist policies will not be taken seriously for quite awhile. In fact this new world of misinformation will make it an uphill battle. I can't even say I'm ready for those polices. I'm still left of middle on quite a few things It just depends on the policy. Leftist policies like universal healthcare (packaged with a different name) are very popular. Leftist policies like "kill all Jews in Israel" are not. 2 8
Relampago. Posted August 23 Posted August 23 7 minutes ago, suneclipse121 said: That's so crazy that was not my impression of her speech at all. I'm not sure what you were expecting but that was a strong speech imo. She showed strength and articulated who she will be in comparison to Trump. She hit every mark she needed to. I hear ya. Different strokes for different folks. I think where the divergence comes from is that her speech was Generic Liberal Speech v7.0. That's gonna appeal to people who like that, but those are already people who are going to vote for her in virtually every circumstance. This was her time to widen the umbrella and bring new people in. Sure, the speech wasn't an egregious Trump-level mess, but what person who is on the fence about her would be convinced by this? Not many, and she really should be trying to win those undecideds, and generic speeches like this don't really do that.
FameFatale Posted August 23 Posted August 23 9 minutes ago, hausofdave said: Trump ran crying to his safespace away from home Fox and they cut him off He's screaming on Newsmax now
Elusive Chanteuse Posted August 23 Posted August 23 7 minutes ago, Sannie said: Although I understand the optics behind including Republicans, I just can't stand these wolves in sheep clothing. They will fall back in line with the GOP as soon as Trump is gone. If you really don't recognize your party, change your affiliation to prove it. I think Adam is the only one that may not.
CamCam Posted August 23 Posted August 23 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Bloo said: Not to be too negative, but the speech was very generic. It doesn't really stand out that much. It's the definition of "Generic Ballot Democrat". No clip from this speech will be remembered. It'll be back to the normal news cycle 2 days from now. I also don't expect a super big bump in the polls. She might still rise, but she was already on the rise in the polls. But I think the possibility of a massive jump has been ruled out. You say "generic", but I call it "normalcy". After the catastrophe (and aftermath) that was Trump & his influence on both the nation & its reputation, including but not limited to: - theatrics - continuous acts of self-serving - blatant disregard for life (as shown with how he handled the pandemic) - irresponsibility that threatens the well-being of the country, and etc., people are tired of not only the lack of decorum, but also lack of stability. Kamala's smartest choice this campaign was to lean into doubling down on security so that people at the very least have a sense of confidence. She addressed multiple platforms, successfully strengthened her position while emphasizing Trump's ineligibility to run, and spoke with enough conviction to speak to the American people's need for assurance & promise. It's like a car: sure, one with flashy features is welcomed, but after that one bad experience with a lemon, a reliable car is all that matters. Edited August 23 by CamCam 7
toxicgenie Posted August 23 Posted August 23 11 minutes ago, hausofdave said: Trump ran crying to his safespace away from home Fox and they cut him off Exactly, if you need anymore evidence that the speech made him shook there it is. 2
LIT Posted August 23 Posted August 23 Her speech promising to ensure the U.S. military is the "most lethal in the world" as we're arming a genocide… 1 4
Wonderland Posted August 23 Posted August 23 Not Beyonce being a no show after all that hype I really think they should have made it more clear she wasn't going to be there as it already sets up a tone of disappointment before Kamala even comes out
homosexual_behaviour Posted August 23 Posted August 23 6 minutes ago, Sannie said: It just depends on the policy. Leftist policies like universal healthcare (packaged with a different name) are very popular. Leftist policies like "kill all Jews in Israel" are not. you just made that up 9
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