SlayianaGrenade Posted August 22 Posted August 22 Every time I see some asinine comment about Michigan it only proves to me that leftist truly live in a delusional echo chamber. All of Dearborn could sit out this election( which won't happen btw, a lot of Muslims in the real world are voting for her) and Kamala would still win because she's going after the part of the electorate that she needs to win. As someone who works at the grassroots level canvassing, the uncommitted movement is not picking up steam here. The DNC protests that a lot of you fear mongered about did zero damage. Not a single one of you know what real revolution and protest is like and it drives me insane to read such awful takes in here.ย 3 2 6
eyeroll Posted August 22 Posted August 22 (edited) Miscellaneous 3am insomnia thoughts: ย โ I don't buy the notion that an uncommitted voice would be an off-script risk when the DNC microphone is getting passed around like a fleshlight to 'former' republicans and Trump supporters who pose a similar threat. I feel like Trump would encourage, glorify, and probably even pay someone to be a double agent like that. ย โ I try to live life with no expectations because A) I don't get disappointed as much, and B) it's the only way I experience mildly exhilarating blips of organic joy in adult life. With that, I've been surprised multiple times now by Kamala's fast responses/pivots/recoveries, as small as they've been. So, sans expectations, it would be nice to continue that pattern tomorrow and see her rectify this by making space for a Palestinian speaker. ย โ I wish Shapiro would just (**** off tbh) take some estrogen or something to make his voice higher because his budget Obama register does something to my body that feels like a violation. Like his specific vocal tone and frequency manages to project in a way that intrudes upon my physical being and makes me feel like i'm morphing into that one Pokรฉmon that's just a blob of poisonous sludge.ย Edited August 22 by eyeroll I googled, it's Muk, that's the Pokรฉmon. Not the pretty multicolored one, just the regular sludge monster one 5
Harrier Posted August 22 Posted August 22 The DNC is worried about creating controversy that may worsen and energise the 'uncommitted' movement while at the same time pissing off some Jews within the party. They are concerned thatย an off script speaker saying something damaging to Kamala could be that kind of controversy. ย I imagine they are betting on the fact that if they secure a ceasefire before election day, that will be enough for most folks.ย The margins here are razor thin and the campaign are trying to find a path, they're not going to get it right every time. I hope they can find a speaker for tomorrow who is not an off script risk. 4
Vermillion Posted August 22 Posted August 22 1 hour ago, SlayianaGrenade said: Every time I see some asinine comment about Michigan it only proves to me that leftist truly live in a delusional echo chamber. All of Dearborn could sit out this election( which won't happen btw, a lot of Muslims in the real world are voting for her) and Kamala would still win because she's going after the part of the electorate that she needs to win. As someone who works at the grassroots level canvassing, the uncommitted movement is not picking up steam here. The DNC protests that a lot of you fear mongered about did zero damage. Not a single one of you know what real revolution and protest is like and it drives me insane to read such awful takes in here.ย Just volunteering or work for a campaign? Are you in Michigan currently? Do you know anyone working for state government or for Whitmer? ย Figured we could swap stories or perspective from my campaigns or Hill time. ย The data is limited but in comparison to Biden's EC numbers and the uncommitted margins in the primary what makes you so certain? That Kamala's made up that much in the margins? 1
State of Grace. Posted August 22 Posted August 22 (edited) ย But let's invite republicans, an Israeli family, and a border patrol officer. Sorry, we have no space for Palestinian speakers whose relatives, cousins, and entire families have been wiped off with US made bombs. ย The level of moral derangement and depravity of this party is beyond my imagination. Edited August 22 by State of Grace. 2 3
thesegayz Posted August 22 Posted August 22 28 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: ย But let's invite republicans, an Israeli family, and a border patrol officer. Sorry, we have no space for Palestinian speakers whose relatives, cousins, and entire families have been wiped off with US made bombs. ย The level of moral derangement and depravity of this party is beyond my imagination. How are these two related? Draw me the Venn Diagram. Because it's in Chicago? Or because it's 45 minutes away? Or because it was ten months ago, it's the same phase of the moon that's now astroprojecting hatred onto the DNC? ย was the landlord a speaker at the DNC? Was the victim disinvited from the DNC? ย Islamophobia, and now hatred to Palestinians, is an American problem. Has been since and before 9/11.ย stop hate scrolling on twitter and trying to create associations that aren't there. It misdirects energy to where it needs to go ย michelle was really right about yall. Goldilocks, do nothings 4 1
dman4life Posted August 22 Posted August 22 I really enjoyed Walz's speech last night and was tuned into CNN for their reaction but instead they immediately had JD Vance on to offer his "response"ย ย Truly a "if you want Trump to win then say that" tea. Not surprised in the slightest however.ย 1
dman4life Posted August 22 Posted August 22 (edited) Not giving any kind of platform to the uncommitted movement feels like such an unnecessary and costly mistakeย Edited August 22 by dman4life 3
Redstreak Posted August 22 Posted August 22 16 minutes ago, dman4life said: I really enjoyed Walz's speech last night and was tuned into CNN for their reaction but instead they immediately had JD Vance on to offer his "response"ย ย Truly a "if you want Trump to win then say that" tea. Not surprised in the slightest however.ย I mean CNN is owned by a conservative (as is most mainstream media) 1 1
WildAmerican Posted August 22 Posted August 22 yeah, they really should give a slot to the uncommitted movement. If Dems want to be a welcoming big tent "party" they need to accept voices who may say some hard truths about the current situation. I'm sure they can find someone who is committed to voting for Kamala but is also part of the movementย 2
dman4life Posted August 22 Posted August 22 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Redstreak said: I mean CNN is owned by a conservative (as is most mainstream media) Yeah I just was taken aback since they usually somewhat tryย to shield their bias but this was so obvious. Edited August 22 by dman4life 1
Gui Blackout Posted August 22 Posted August 22 Is the demand to have a representative of the Uncommitted organization, or just any Palestinian/Muslin speaker, even ones that don't endorse that particular movement? If it's the latter, then I don't see the issue. If it would indeed be a vetted person with a vetted speech, and as long as that person stick to the agreement and don't go off-script, it would be a powerful moment in the convention. I don't blame the DNC for having reservations here, but I do hope something can be worked on. ย Now, I don't see the point of giving Uncommitted a speaking slot unless they pledge to unequivocally support Harris and halt their campaign at once, here in the convention. Cause say that they get their speaker, what's stopping them from turning around on the the next day and say "actually we're not supporting Harris unless she [insert demand]" and are back at protesting at her rallies. If the arms embargo is their ultimate demand, it was already made clear that won't happen (and surely they know that already). So make your decision, in or out. Otherwise it's just a waste of everyone's time. 1 1 4
Communion Posted August 22 Posted August 22 3 hours ago, SlayianaGrenade said: Every time I see some asinine comment about Michigan it only proves to me that leftist truly live in a delusional echo chamber. All of Dearborn could sit out this election( which won't happen btw, a lot of Muslims in the real world are voting for her) and Kamala would still win because she's going after the part of the electorate that she needs to win. As someone who works at the grassroots level canvassing, the uncommitted movement is not picking up steam here. The DNC protests that a lot of you fear mongered about did zero damage. Not a single one of you know what real revolution and protest is like and it drives me insane to read such awful takes in here.ย No one is going to take your posts seriously when it already devolved previously into some weird racialized sectarianism where you previously outright suggested black Americans are real Democrats and Arab/Muslim Americans and those who are children of immigrants can't be real Democrats.ย 2 1
Tovitov Posted August 22 Posted August 22 2 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said: Is the demand to have a representative of the Uncommitted organization, or just any Palestinian/Muslin speaker, even ones that don't endorse that particular movement? If it's the latter, then I don't see the issue. If it would indeed be a vetted person with a vetted speech, and as long as that person stick to the agreement and don't go off-script, it would be a powerful moment in the convention. I don't blame the DNC for having reservations here, but I do hope something can be worked on. ย Now, I don't see the point of giving Uncommitted a speaking slot unless they pledge to unequivocally support Harris and halt their campaign at once, here in the convention. Cause say that they get their speaker, what's stopping them from turning around on the the next day and say "actually we're not supporting Harris unless she [insert demand]" and are back at protesting at her rallies. If the arms embargo is their ultimate demand, it was already made clear that won't happen (and surely they know that already). So make your decision, in or out. Otherwise it's just a waste of everyone's time. Just off the top of my head, Keith Ellison spoke. So the DNC has had a muslim speaker. I think whats being asked for is a speaker who will highlight the ongoing situation in Gaza. Georgia Rep. Ruwa Romman has said her speech she summited to the DNC calls for uniting behind Harris, although I think even with that guartee, theres fear about any speaker going after Biden or Israel.ย
Communion Posted August 22 Posted August 22 (edited) On 8/7/2024 at 8:45 PM, SlayianaGrenade said: As someone who is actually from Michigan, born and raised in Detroit and not chronically online, Black Detroiters alone and suburban women are going to come out in droves to elect Harris. The ACTUAL demographic that will win her Michigan. I'm very much so in support of freeing Palestine but the far left pretending as if that comment will cost her Michigan is laughable.ย Like this ^ attempt to weaponize black voters as a shield to somehow make it okay that everyone knows the "suburban voters" you're bragging about are predominantly white and affluent. You're bragging about white voters while defending discarding Arab American voters, thinking using black voters as a shield to this style of commentary will somehow justify it, despite erasing the reality that plenty of black Americans in Michigan fall well within the intersections of being Muslim or immigrants who understand and support Palestinians. ย There's just something deeply uncomfortable with the overtly affluent and DC-coded attempt like an NGO deploying therapy empathy speak to use a racialized liberal politick to justify the US and Harris supporting the slaughter of an entire demographic of people.ย ย It's annoying because there's clearly value in identity politics, representational politics, or even aspects of standpoint theory (or at least they're not boogeyman like the right claim) and yet the ideological credibility of such feels undermined and discredited when leveraged to defend ethnic cleansing. It feels like we're one step away from some the various diversity/identity group for the Harris campaign coming together and telling activists that they need to "de-center genocide" and "uplift voices of the marginalized....committed Harris voter" to stifle protests.ย Edited August 22 by Communion 1
Gui Blackout Posted August 22 Posted August 22 10 minutes ago, Tovitov said: Just off the top of my head, Keith Ellison spoke. So the DNC has had a muslim speaker. I think whats being asked for is a speaker who will highlight the ongoing situation in Gaza. Georgia Rep. Ruwa Romman has said her speech she summited to the DNC calls for uniting behind Harris, although I think even with that guartee, theres fear about any speaker going after Biden or Israel.ย Indeed. And especially on the last day, Kamala's day, the stakes are very high and the convention has been running pretty smoothly so far. Again, bummer that it can't happen. ย I can't remember their names atm, but there's a duo of activists: an Israeli who lost family on 7/10 and Palestinian who lost family in Gaza. They've become friends and joined forces for peace and coexistence, they were just in NYC last week giving a lecture. Having people like them would've been so impactful, and send such a beautiful message. 6
State of Grace. Posted August 22 Posted August 22 39 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said: Is the demand to have a representative of the Uncommitted organization, or just any Palestinian/Muslin speaker, even ones that don't endorse that particular movement? If it's the latter, then I don't see the issue. If it would indeed be a vetted person with a vetted speech, and as long as that person stick to the agreement and don't go off-script, it would be a powerful moment in the convention. I don't blame the DNC for having reservations here, but I do hope something can be worked on. ย Now, I don't see the point of giving Uncommitted a speaking slot unless they pledge to unequivocally support Harris and halt their campaign at once, here in the convention. Cause say that they get their speaker, what's stopping them from turning around on the the next day and say "actually we're not supporting Harris unless she [insert demand]" and are back at protesting at her rallies. If the arms embargo is their ultimate demand, it was already made clear that won't happen (and surely they know that already). So make your decision, in or out. Otherwise it's just a waste of everyone's time. Shocking that someone who supports the genocide against Palestinians does not want to see an Uncommitted speaker on stage.
Mike91 Posted August 22 Posted August 22 (edited) I get why they don't want any uncommitted voters speaking at the convention. It would completely overshadow any positive coverage of the convention if they went off script or spoke out against the party. They would also likely get heavily booed by the crowd. It would just be bad optics all around.ย ย At the same time, you can't have Biden going on stage saying the protestors are right and then refuse to give them any kind of voice. You also can't argue that you're working on a ceasefire to appease protestors while doing nothing to make it happen. They keep arguing that Netanyahu is to blame for everything that's happened, yet they won't hold him accountable. If you want to make the moral argument that there's innocent people dying on "both sides" (as Biden said in his DNC speech) then make that case to the public as justification for holdingย Netanyahu responsible.ย ย edit: With that said, I don't think they believe the uncommitted voting bloc will make that big of a difference in this election, and that's why they're largely ignoring it, unfortunately. Truth is most of the uncommitted will probably vote for the lesser evil. Democrats obviously think the antisemitic faming would hurt them more.ย Edited August 22 by Mike91 2
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