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[Communion]

"Bernie's Senate"

 

These constant temper tantrums all because Val Demings won't be able to force her way into the Senate through breaking innocent civilians' necks 

[Kassi]

Not the SALT girls (not to be confused with the SPICE girls ) pre-emptively folding

 

 

You just know Pelosi was on the phone with them while still in Taiwan standing up to China.

 

Ms. Pelosi, you will always be famous! 

[ClashAndBurn]

23 minutes ago, Communion said:

"Bernie's Senate"

 

These constant temper tantrums all because Val Demings won't be able to force her way into the Senate through breaking innocent civilians' necks 

Right, just because locking up civilians on marijuana possession charges (which they're mad about when it comes to Russia and Brittney Griner, funny enough  ) worked for Kamala Harris doesn't mean it'll work for everyone!

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Right, just because locking up civilians on marijuana possession charges (which they're mad about when it comes to Russia and Brittney Griner, funny enough  ) worked for Kamala Harris doesn't mean it'll work for everyone!

Not me forgetting that the reconciliation bill originally included free community college and all aspects of higher education ended up removed from the bill. 

 

 

Still no word on student debt cancellation. 

Not only refusing to deschedule weed but weed arrears by the DEA actually going up. 

 

[GhostBox]

Just judging from some of these posts in here some are seething today ??

 

on another note. Of course Pelosi has her congress in line. As usual ????

 

 

[GhostBox]

58 minutes ago, Kassi said:

 

Dark Brandon memes coming straight from the White House now. 

Dark Brandon getting more done while having covid than trump did anytime ?

Edited August 7, 2022 by GhostBox

[rihannabiggestfan]

 

 

[Kassi]

 

All the “Republicans always get what they want, Dems suck!” gorls are SILENT tonight! 

 

[Communion]

41 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

Just judging from some of these posts in here some are seething today ??

Yes, of course we're seething, we wanted poor people to have access to insulin??  

How removed from the reality of poor people do you have to be to find that kind of upset funny?

 

What do you do for a living, sis? Most employer-provided insurance is not good enough to run coverage for them like some are doing. Surely the idea that, even if you had insurance, you'd be paying hundreds of dollars a month for something you need to stay alive is awful, yes? 

 

It's so weird to see people claim to support certain ideas but then...... try to mock leftists for being upset that those good ideas in Dems' legislation are limited to only the moderately middle class or even sometimes rich?

 

You: "DEMOCRATS KEEP WINNING! A $35 CO-PAY CAP* ON INSULIN! DEMS MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN LIVES!!"

 

Leftists: "Shouldn't Dems instead support a price cap instead of a co-pay cap? Since not only can insurers just increase premiums, but also that a co-pay cap doesn't do anything for poor people who can't afford insurance, with diabetics often being disproportionately poor? Surely Dems should expand this benefit, yes?"

 

You: "BUT THEY DIDN'T CAVE TO YOUR DEMANDS AND YOU'LL SEETHE AND BE HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU GOT!"

 

Like that's not a sane response to "wow that's such a good idea Dems have, what if we found a way to give it to even more people since it's so popular and would make them even more popular"??? 

 

 

*- Nevermind that they didn't even get the co-pay cap on private insurance cause "the parliamentarian".

Edited August 8, 2022 by Communion

[ClashAndBurn]

"owning the left" is more important than having a coherent policy that benefits anyone other than corporations.

 

The Democrats™ are a corporatist party through and through. That's all they care about. It's time to accept this will never change.

[Communion]

1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said:

"owning the left" is more important than having a coherent policy that benefits anyone other than corporations.

 

The Democrats™ are a corporatist party through and through. That's all they care about. It's time to accept this will never change.

• Partisan Dems: "DEMS GET THINGS DONE!!! We are the party who crafted the extended child tax credit that ENDED CHILDHOOD HUNGER and saw the GREATEST DROP IN CHILDHOOD POVERTY!!"
• Leftists: "That's..beautiful. Look at how much suffering can be erased through policy. Poverty is a policy choice. This is a wondrous achievement. I can't believe Dems have permanently ended childhood hunge-"
• Partisan Dems: ".....permanently?"
• Leftists: "....yeah........ if we could achieve this.. why wouldn't we keep it going........"
• Partisan Dems: "Oh, the guy from WV already said he's not agreeing to more than a year of it."
• Leftists: "............what?"
• Partisan Dems: "Yeah, he said he doesn't like the idea of poor parents getting too much money. He thinks you give them too much and it will end up going towards buying drugs instead of food."
• Leftists: "....that's insane. You're going to call him out on that, right?? Didn't you just say that the extended child tax credit was super popular and did so many great things??"
• Partisan Dems: "Yeah"
• Leftists: "And you're just fine with it expiring and all that good stuff going away??"
• Partisan Dems: "Yeah"
• Leftists: 
• Partisan Dems: 

Like it's insane at this point. 

[Communion]

@ClashAndBurn

 

"If you want your progressive policies passed, give us 2 more Senators!!!"

 

"...well... okay, wait.............there's 2 progressives who are likely to win, so that should be easy."

 

"uhhh... no, did we say 2... no, we meant uhhh *spins wheel*

 

yeah, five, that sounds like a good number... 5!" 

 

 

The way we're gonna get Fetterman and Barnes and suddenly the senators from Delaware decide that they have ethical issues with the entire array of policy we were just told we could pass since they totally supported them, like they did w/ the minimum wage. 

Edited August 8, 2022 by Communion

[ClashAndBurn]

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

@ClashAndBurn

 

"If you want your progressive policies passed, give us 2 more Senators!!!"

 

"...well... okay, wait.............there's 2 progressives who are likely to win, so that should be easy."

 

"uhhh... no, did we say 2... no, we meant uhhh *spins wheel*

 

yeah, five, that sounds like a good number... 5!" 

 

 

The way we're gonna get Fetterman and Barnes and suddenly the senators from Delaware decide that they have ethical issues with the entire array of policy we were just told we could pass since they totally supported them, like they did w/ the minimum wage. 

They have at least 8 more democrats I can think of that could easily pull a Manchinema and flip over to being a contrarian to stop the "Biden agenda."

 

Coons

Hassan

Shaheen

Carper

Warner

Feinstein

Cortez Masto

Tester

 

and depending on the issue:

Casey

Kaine

King

Padilla

 

It'll be "Well, we need 70 Democrats if we wanna pass this, cause the votes simply aren't there. That's CIVICS! Go back to school and read a textbook if you don't understand!"

[GhostBox]

1 hour ago, Kassi said:

 

All the “Republicans always get what they want, Dems suck!” gorls are SILENT tonight! 

 

???

[GhostBox]

????

[Communion]

11 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

They have at least 8 more democrats I can think of that could easily pull a Manchinema and flip over to being a contrarian to stop the "Biden agenda."

 

Coons

Hassan

Shaheen

Carper

Warner

Feinstein

Cortez Masto

Tester

 

and depending on the issue:

Casey

Kaine

King

Padilla

 

It'll be "Well, we need 70 Democrats if we wanna pass this, cause the votes simply aren't there. That's CIVICS! Go back to school and read a textbook if you don't understand!"

And keep in mind this... is not even about Democrats willing to block progressives' agenda.

This is the amount of Democrats willing to block Biden's own agenda???

 

https://heystacks.com/doc/489/congressional-democrat-tracker-leftist-edition

 

The Democratic party is at ideological odds with its base, which is why even Warnock was trying to introduce amendments about insulin into the IRA. Somehow, at the same time, the powerbrokers and donors and capitalist class members of the Democratic Party are trying to marginalize progressives while its literal elected officials "expanding" the blue map are disproportionately reliant on young minorities of color whose views align with people like Bernie Sanders more than they do any other member of the Democratic caucus. 

 

Partisan Democrats literally admit that this is why they hate Sanders, even when he offers nothing more than mild opposition, because his views represent the generation that they have grandfathered out of.

 

 

[ClashAndBurn]

10 minutes ago, Communion said:

And keep in mind this... is not even about Democrats willing to block progressives' agenda.

This is the amount of Democrats willing to block Biden's own agenda???

 

https://heystacks.com/doc/489/congressional-democrat-tracker-leftist-edition

 

The Democratic party is at ideological odds with its base, which is why even Warnock was trying to introduce amendments about insulin into the IRA. Somehow, at the same time, the powerbrokers and donors and capitalist class members of the Democratic Party are trying to marginalize progressives while its literal elected officials "expanding" the blue map are disproportionately reliant on young minorities of color whose views align with people like Bernie Sanders more than they do any other member of the Democratic caucus. 

 

Partisan Democrats literally admit that this is why they hate Sanders, even when he offers nothing more than mild opposition, because his views represent the generation that they have grandfathered out of.

 

 

They're big mad because deep down, they know the bill is inadequate and intentionally does nothing for climate, but they'd prefer to gaslight us into thinking that coal barons are doing more to save our planet than activists.  

[Kassi]

1 hour ago, GhostBox said:

????

Not surprised. Jayapal is a smart one.

Plus, it doesn't take a doctorate degree to understand how #majah it is for all of this legislation to pass in a 0 majority Senate. 

[Gavin.]

Ok I have a potentially dumb question for all y’all who are more well versed in politics

 

 

why was the bill passed but the $35 cap not? They clearly didn’t need the votes so how did it not get included? Am I missing that some dem senators also didn’t vote for it? 

[rihannabiggestfan]

Neolibs still seething about queen Susan Sarandon, queen (Medical) Dr. Jill Stein, and king Bernie Sanders. Neolibs truly deserve Trump.

Edited August 8, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan

[ClashAndBurn]

56 minutes ago, Gavin. said:

Ok I have a potentially dumb question for all y’all who are more well versed in politics

 

 

why was the bill passed but the $35 cap not? They clearly didn’t need the votes so how did it not get included? Am I missing that some dem senators also didn’t vote for it? 

Sinema and Manchin didn't want it. If you want things to be better, you need to vote for more Democrats (even though everyone who represents me in the House and in the Senate is a Democrat, so I've done my part, but apparently I suck for liking Bernie Sanders or something...)

 

Edit: Oh wait, it's because Kamala Harris didn't overrule the parliamentarian like she could have. So the vote threshold needed was 60 instead of 50. So really it's because Kamala Harris didn't want poor people to afford insulin.  

Edited August 8, 2022 by ClashAndBurn

[rihannabiggestfan]

35 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Sinema and Manchin didn't want it. If you want things to be better, you need to vote for more Democrats (even though everyone who represents me in the House and in the Senate is a Democrat, so I've done my part, but apparently I suck for liking Bernie Sanders or something...)

Considering only morally bankrupt people such as billionaires hate Bernie, I think you're good, fave

 

 

(and even to that rule, there are exceptions

 

 

 

)

Edited August 8, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan

[Kassi]

1 hour ago, Gavin. said:

Ok I have a potentially dumb question for all y’all who are more well versed in politics

 

 

why was the bill passed but the $35 cap not? They clearly didn’t need the votes so how did it not get included? Am I missing that some dem senators also didn’t vote for it? 

The Inflation Reduction Act is a budget reconciliation bill. That’s a special kind of bill that only requires a simple majority, or 51 votes, to pass in the Senate. While every other bill not related to the budget has to pass through regular order, or 60 votes. 
 

To keep Senators from abusing reconciliation bills, the Senate follows what they call “The Byrd Rule”, which restricts what can be included in reconciliation bills and any amendments Senators want to add to it.

 

At its core, the rule prohibits legislation that’s viewed as “extraneous” to the budget, blocking non-budgetary legislation that Senators might otherwise want to sneak in for an easier path to passage. They employ the parliamentarian to help them determine whether the bill or any proposed amendments violate The Bryd Rule.

 

For the insulin amendment, it was ruled that capping insulin prices out in the market doesn’t impact the government budget, so it has to reach 60 votes to be included. They only got up to 57 so it didn’t pass.

 

The presiding officer aka President of the Senate aka the Vice President aka Kamala Harris can choose to override the parliamentarian, but it’s never been done before, would be extremely controversial, and Manchin/Sinema wouldn’t go along with it anyway, so the point is moot. 

 

Schumer could also FIRE the parliamentarian, and install a total loyalist, but the *only* time the parliamentarian has been replaced was under Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott in 2001. The Senate had a 50/50 split like now and the move caused GOP Senator Jim Jeffords to switch parties which gave the Democrats the majority. Another thing Manchin could potentially do.

 

But, at the end the day, looking past all the crazy Senate rules and procedures, the issue really boils down to the filibuster. If there was no filibuster, then ALL budget bills AND policy bills could pass with just 51 votes. So the filibuster has to go.

[slik]

Anyone thinking Centrists and Biden are a hit are out of their minds.

 

"Progressives don't want anyone to go bankrupt from healthcare"
"Progressives want equal rights for all and to protect Women and LGBTQ rights"
"Progressives think murder/war is bad and morally wrong"

 

Centrists

"Yaassssss Wall Street and tax breaks for wealthy and nothing really changing, Yassssssss"

"Biden BUILT THAT WALL Yassssssssssss"

"KING OF DRONE STRIKES"

Kneels in solidarity with minorities and recites poems!!!

 

 

Edited August 8, 2022 by slik

[rihannabiggestfan]

Anyone who thinks the most panned president in modern American history is a hit is a delusional #BlueMAGA cultist