ClashAndBurn Posted August 4 Posted August 4 27 minutes ago, GhostBox said: 1-2 points In PA could win it and the election 👏🏼 It really does come off as you wanting Shapiro just so you can hold him over the heads of progressives and berate them for not being enthusiastic about them. Just so you know. 4 1 1
Aston Martin Posted August 4 Posted August 4 45 minutes ago, GhostBox said: 1-2 points In PA could win it and the election 👏🏼 It could also cost us Michigan which would lose the election. PA can be won without Shapiro but MI cannot be won with him. 2
Sannie Posted August 4 Posted August 4 (edited) 46 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: It really does come off as you wanting Shapiro just so you can hold him over the heads of progressives and berate them for not being enthusiastic about them. Just so you know. Well you guys have spent a year wanting Biden to lose and Trump to win so you could point your finger and say "I told you so" in an ultimate act of virtue signaling. The pettiness doesn't feel good when you're on the receiving end lol. The difference: what you're positing about Ghostbox doesn't result in Trump taking over and genociding trans people and immigrants. 28 minutes ago, Aston Martin said: It could also cost us Michigan which would lose the election. PA can be won without Shapiro but MI cannot be won with him. There's no real evidence it would lose her MI beyond people thinking the arab population in Michigan is a monolith and will all sit out. I do think it'll have an impact but idk how big. she could also win without Mi, but it becomes much harder so the right and safe thing to do is choose the candidate everyone wants. Edited August 4 by Sannie 1 4
shelven Posted August 4 Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, Sannie said: Well you guys have spent a year wanting Biden to lose and Trump to win This bad faith, disingenuous framing doesn't work anymore when we now have proof that Biden dropping out was objectively the correct decision for people who want Trump to lose 2 7
ClashAndBurn Posted August 4 Posted August 4 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Sannie said: Well you guys have spent a year wanting Biden to lose and Trump to win so you could point your finger and say "I told you so" in an ultimate act of virtue signaling. Yeah, I proudly admit that I wanted Biden to DROP OUT so that Trump would be less likely to win. And guess what? I want Shapiro in the White House even less than Biden. So you know what? I don't really care. The weaponization of hypothetical genocide at home in the future doesn't work when the side you support is also the strongest active vanguard of support for genocide abroad right this moment. Shapiro being selected would be the strongest possible signal Kamala could send that there will be no policy changes towards unconditional support for a genocidal apartheid state that shouldn't even exist. Empty appeals to "WHAT HAPPENS AT HOME IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN PEOPLE DYING THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY" do not work on me when I have no love for this miserable shithole of a country or its abominable, shitty people that routinely vote for garbage politicians like Genocide Joe and Genocide Josh. Edited August 4 by ClashAndBurn 3 1
Bloodflowers. Posted August 4 Posted August 4 On 8/3/2024 at 3:39 PM, Vermillion said: NewsNation listed as centrist when they hired the biggest ambulance chaser with no positions on anything as a pundit to feed his kids after getting fired, Chris Cuomo I didn't check their rating but at this point the only one meeting that criteria might be PBS but that's a nonstarter given its (unjust) association with the NPR wars among the right Isn't PBS a publically funded channel? It should be "non-biased" if that is the case I vote for Trump and Kamala debate at Breaking Points YouTube livestream since Trump wouldn't dare to be on The Young Turks
jakeisphat Posted August 4 Posted August 4 The dirt on Shapiro gives me deja vu of 2016 Hillary Clinton baggage. Every other day a new story would break about her and Bill's past and the campaign would just ignore it and move on like swing voters weren't taking it seriously. PA may have elected Shapiro in a landslide, but all of this dirt was not on the table in the capacity it is now for a national race. Right now we are only in the veepstakes, I can only imagine it would be way worse if he were officially on the ticket. 1
GhostBox Posted August 4 Posted August 4 51 minutes ago, Aston Martin said: It could also cost us Michigan which would lose the election. PA can be won without Shapiro but MI cannot be won with him. Gretchen won Michigan while doing horrible with the communities you guys think will doom a Harris/shapiro ticket. 4
Eat The Acid Posted August 4 Posted August 4 3 hours ago, GhostBox said: Getting my Harris/Shapiro sign ready Finally figuring out you're a Republican troll 2 1 5 1
Aston Martin Posted August 4 Posted August 4 37 minutes ago, Sannie said: There's no real evidence it would lose her MI beyond people thinking the arab population in Michigan is a monolith and will all sit out. I do think it'll have an impact but idk how big. she could also win without Mi, but it becomes much harder so the right and safe thing to do is choose the candidate everyone wants. Agree with the bolded. Why run the risk of losing MI (or any other swing state for that matter) when Walz is right there and we can just keep the momentum going with him on the ticket and not run the risk of the ticket being bogged down with Shapiro's baggage. 13 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Gretchen won Michigan while doing horrible with the communities you guys think will doom a Harris/shapiro ticket. Whitmer won reelection 11 months before October 7th. And in addition to the voluntary IDF service/essay/comparing pro-Palestine protestors to the KKK, Josh Shapiro also has the "helping cover up sexual harassment" and "may have helped cover up a murder investigation which is being argued to be reopened to the PA Supreme Court" as well. Walz has none of that baggage, more appeal to the rust belt as a whole than Shapiro does, a better (and longer) track record as governor of their respective states, and works as a better foil to Harris which makes them a stronger ticket. Repubs would struggle with attacks against Walz the same way they're currently struggling with attacks against Harris. Conversely, they would have a bunch of material to work with when it comes to Shapiro. 4
Armani? Posted August 4 Posted August 4 52 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Gretchen won Michigan while doing horrible with the communities you guys think will doom a Harris/shapiro ticket. Gretchen's approval and likeability is obviously not the same as the national ticket. Biden was going to lose worse than Hilary here just a month ago. Kamala has came in and is slightly above water now, so shunning Arab voters again isn't exactly a good idea especially since there's escalation again with Israel. 3
GhostBox Posted August 4 Posted August 4 31 minutes ago, Eat The Acid said: Finally figuring out you're a Republican troll Ah yes. You got me 2
Communion Posted August 4 Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, Sannie said: Well you guys have spent a year wanting Biden to lose "Leftists don't know what they're talking about, we don't need to see Biden debate before he takes on Trump" "Leftists don't know what they're talking about, Biden's support of Israel & disregard for life In Gaza won't hurt his polling." "Leftists don't know what they're talking about, it was just one bad debate performance that won't matter in the long run!" "Leftists don't know what they're talking about, you can't just switch the candidate just because he has some bad days." "Leftists don't know what they're talking about, forcing Biden to drop out will seal the election for Trump and prove Dems are in disarray" 3 2
GhostBox Posted August 4 Posted August 4 (edited) 2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: It really does come off as you wanting Shapiro just so you can hold him over the heads of progressives and berate them for not being enthusiastic about them. Just so you know. Um no. I would be happiest if Tim was picked. He's my favorite. but I can also see the positives of a Shapiro pick as well. Especially when it comes to winning the EC. Which is probably far more important than anything else. Edited August 4 by GhostBox 1 1
DR0GO Posted August 4 Posted August 4 Quote She has talked to Biden. She has talked to Barack Obama. Polling and focus groups have been conducted. Sample videos to play have been requested. Hours and hours of interviews with aides, on top of thousands of pages of hastily assembled documents, and in some cases with detailed follow-up questions, have been coalesced by a group of lawyers led by former Attorney General Eric Holder and former White House counsel Dana Remus into briefing books. Quote Harris and her aides know, though, that there are limits to what polling can reliably say over just two weeks, particularly given the historic upheaval the race has just gone through. They know there are questions, particularly about finances and deep dives into their backgrounds, that even the prospective choices themselves might not remember to bring up amid this rush. A chunk of the message testing on prospective choices has come from their TV appearances in the past two weeks of hurried public auditions. Several involved with the process, though, say that they have walked away with one clear sense from the Harris team: no surprises. Nothing that could derail the honeymoon Harris is trying to keep going. Nothing that could give them their own version of JD Vance's clunky start that they have been watching carefully or the clear tensions that have set in between some in Donald Trump's and his running mate's orbits. Advice has been streaming in. Everyone who can get in the ears of anyone near Harris – whether that is her government chief of staff Lorraine Voles or her brother-in-law Tony West or campaign chair Jen O'Malley Dillon, who helped Biden pick Harris in 2020 – has been weighing in with advice. Quote At almost exactly this point in the summer of 2020, when Biden confided to Obama that he was worried that given the lingering bad feelings about how Harris had attacked him during their first primary debate, the two might not be able to have the same good relationship that Biden remembered having with Obama. Obama reminded his former vice president that they had not gotten along well at first. And, he stressed to Biden, none of that was nearly as relevant as who would help him win – because with Trump as the opponent, Democrats had to win. Harris is less emotionally driven than Biden. And she knows, as a woman of color leading the Democratic ticket, how much is riding on her not to be seen as failing in this moment. -- https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/03/politics/kamala-harris-vice-president-decision/index.html Good bye Shapiro! 9
Communion Posted August 4 Posted August 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, GhostBox said: Gretchen won Michigan while doing horrible with the communities you guys think will doom a Harris/shapiro ticket. This is a talking point you've seen derived from Twitter yet lack the vernacular to explain it or attest to if it is even true. Whitmer won Dearborn by 30 points and Hamtramck by 41 points in 2022, and this with claiming a pro-abortion referendum would divide conservative, pro-Dem Muslims. You've heard your little talking point repeated by white supremacist Zionists trying to frame Arab Americans as inherently conservative with little actual data to back up the claims. Edited August 4 by Communion 1 4 1
Bears01 Posted August 4 Posted August 4 @Communion @ClashAndBurn would Kamala choosing Walz be viewed (by you guys) as a big olive branch that would give you more motivation to vote for her? This is nothing more than a curiosity question and just to get your guys perspective
ClashAndBurn Posted August 4 Posted August 4 Just now, Bears01 said: @Communion @ClashAndBurn would Kamala choosing Walz be viewed (by you guys) as a big olive branch that would give you more motivation to vote for her? This is nothing more than a curiosity question and just to get your guys perspective I will vote for her as long as she picks ANYONE other than Shapiro. Shapiro, there's a non-zero chance I end up protest voting, whereas with Biden I was genuinely ready to stay home or leave the top of the ticket blank. 2 2
GhostBox Posted August 4 Posted August 4 3 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: I will vote for her as long as she picks ANYONE other than Shapiro. Shapiro, there's a non-zero chance I end up protest voting, whereas with Biden I was genuinely ready to stay home or leave the top of the ticket blank. Who would your protest vote be for? 🤔 2
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