Sannie Posted August 3 Posted August 3 55 minutes ago, GreatestLoveofAll said: is it wring for me to be both wary/unimpressed by kamala's future presidency and also relived? She is not gonna be much different from the establishment at all cause no democrat is but at the same time its like... idk she cant be as bad as Trump. No, because I think this is the point. if we want to progress as a country, we must defeat Trump and right wing extremism before anything else, and this year is our chance to do that. Nothing we want to happen will happen in the future if Trump gets to put two more conservative judges on the Supreme Court. Any kind of gun laws, any kind of healthcare laws, any kind of debt relief laws will not be possible with a Supreme Court fully packed by Donald. And that will be the case for the next 50 to 80 years. Kamala is not going to be the dream progressive president, she's going to be a continuation of the norm until we get to a point where the electorate is controlled by people who want progressive things. That will be the case in 2028. 3
Vermillion Posted August 3 Posted August 3 @Blade @Communion Zionists are crying conspiracy on the timing, but you know what, ****ing GOOD. 1 2
shelven Posted August 3 Posted August 3 I think Harris's best course of action regarding the debate is to agree to it on the condition that the same terms that would have applied to the ABC debate also apply to the Fox one and point out thet Trump's so-called concerns about his "conflict of interest" have nothing to do with the actual terms of the debate. Put the ball back in his court and if he insists on his rule changes and audience, then it becomes even clearer that he's not interested in a serious debate and he goes back to looking like the one who's chickening out. I think she could maybe afford to say no to Fox outright, but the problem is that she's spent the last few weeks really hammering home the "Trump's so afraid to debate me!!" point that she probably looks hypocritical if she flat out rejects Trump's proposal for one. She needs to do it in a way that makes it look like Trump's the one running away from a serious debate. 3 1
Sannie Posted August 3 Posted August 3 2 hours ago, Douglas Booth said: does no debate hurt Kamala? I honestly think she should agree to the fox debate because I don't think it hurts her. And I think Trump and his team expect her to say no, which they will then pounce on and flip the narrative. Even without fact checking, Trump will be unhinged and go off the rails and she can look normal and healthy mentally in comparison. And then she can go and do the ABC debate by herself and show that she was brave enough to show up to both.
Vermillion Posted August 3 Posted August 3 And there you have it! An empty podium opposite Harris on ABC She'll probably agree to Fox subsequently as she should at this point and I hope she gets a lot of training in. My question is if ABC plans to change the format last-minute if Trump sticks to his promise not to show 4 1
Sannie Posted August 3 Posted August 3 3 minutes ago, Vermillion said: And there you have it! An empty podium opposite Harris on ABC She'll probably agree to Fox subsequently as she should at this point and I hope she gets a lot of training in. My question is if ABC plans to change the format last-minute if Trump sticks to his promise not to show The fox debate would come first right? They should push to have the ABC debate moved up so she can do this before Fox. 2
GhostBox Posted August 3 Posted August 3 She absolutely should not agree to trumps terms and rules. We need to stop letting him try to rule the show. I hope they have an empty podium for Trump at the debate they all agreed to already 👏🏼 1 1
shelven Posted August 3 Posted August 3 Anyways I woke up this morning already pretty resigned to the fact that Shapiro's going to be the pick The last few days have reminded me of the discourse days before Trump officially picked Vance - even though no leaks had come out that had actually proven Vance was going to be the pick, it suddenly felt like there was a shift in discourse where Vance was the only candidate most people were talking about it and everyone just somehow had this innate knowledge that it was going to be him. Almost as if there had been a leak, but it had been a more subtle one that kinda just quietly slipped into the discourse. That's what all the talk around Shapiro has felt like the last 48 hours or so. I'm like 75% confident it'll be Shapiro now, with another 15% that it'll be Walz (only because of the House Dems, Pelosi and him getting that weirdly positive shout out in the Biden piece) and the remaining 10% split between everyone else. I think the most likely scenario that's going on right now is that Harris's vetting team is aware of all of Shapiro's baggage, but they also have internal polling showing him with high favourables and giving a clear boost to the ticket in Pennsylvania, and they're probably taking the bet that the baggage won't actually catch on outside of high-info social media circles - which I personally think is a losing bet because some of this stuff is too salacious for the media to ignore (especially once the GOP starts shouting about it every day), but... 5
Sannie Posted August 3 Posted August 3 6 minutes ago, GhostBox said: She absolutely should not agree to trumps terms and rules. We need to stop letting him try to rule the show. I hope they have an empty podium for Trump at the debate they all agreed to already 👏🏼 The problem is that the media will not let Harris have the narrative. If she denies the Fox News debate, then that's all people will remember because it came after Trump denying the ABC debate and I think this is exactly what Trump wants. Play his games, but don't give him the narrative he's desperately needs 1
Tovitov Posted August 3 Posted August 3 FWIW, Fox News hasnt actually confirmed anything. All we have are Trump's Truthsocial posts. Fox did say they'd host a September 17th debate though 2 1
jakeisphat Posted August 3 Posted August 3 https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model
Vermillion Posted August 3 Posted August 3 56 minutes ago, Sannie said: The fox debate would come first right? They should push to have the ABC debate moved up so she can do this before Fox. Former President Donald Trump said he would no longer take part in a planned debate between presidential candidates that had been slated for September 10 on ABC, and instead pitched the concept of a new stand-off hosted by Fox News Channel. The ABC debate had been agreed to by both the Trump campaign and the campaign for President Joe Biden. Biden exited the 2024 presidential race in July, and Vice President Kamala Harris is now the Democratic nominee. She had committed to keep the ABC debate in place. The event was to have been moderated by David Muir and Linsey Davis. In comments posted to Truth Social late Friday, Trump said the September 10 debate had been "terminated," noting it had been agreed to when Biden was still the nominee. He also raised the issues of legal conflicts he had with ABC; Trump has filed a defamation suit against the network for comments made by anchor George Stephanopoulos around a decision that found the former president was liable for sexual abuse. Trump recently squared off with ABC News correspondent Rachel Scott at an event organized by the National Association of Black Journalists. ABC News and Fox News did not offer immediate comment Saturday. "Donald Trump is running scared and trying to back out of the debate he already agreed to and running straight to Fox News to bail him out," the Harris campaign said in a statement Saturday. Harris intends to keep her commitment to appear on ABC News, the statement said and will "take the opportunity to speak to a national primetime audience." "We're happy to discuss further debates after the one both campaigns have already agreed to." Fox News has pitched both candidates for its own debate. Jay Wallace, president and executive editor of Fox News Media, recently sent a letter to both the Biden and Harris campaigns proposing a debate on Fox News Channel for Sept. 17 — one week after the ABC News event was slated to occur. Fox News proposed a debate to be held in Pennsylvania moderated by Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum. "We are open to discussion on the exact date, format and location — with or without an audience," Wallace said. The letters to campaign officials contained statistics on Fox News' reach among independent voters in swing states. Wallace and Baier recently told Variety they were even open to the idea of muting each candidate's microphone when it was not their turn to speak, a technique utilized by CNN that seemed to keep its event more focused and give less time for on-camera bickering. Between 1988 and 2020, the non-partisan Commission on Presidential Debates organized the presidential debate process, lining up moderators on its own. Modern politics have churned so much with outrage, however, that both Republicans and Democrats have been eager to circumvent the organization their own parties set in motion in 1987, after several elections in which the debates were put together by the League of Women Voters. The events are not to be taken lightly. CNN televised a debate in June that ultimately proved to be Biden's downfall. The president appeared enervated and tired, even thought the debate took place without a live audience and with microphones that were muted when a candidate's time to speak or respond had elapsed. CNN's telecast was picked up by many of its competitors, and was broken up by commercial breaks — once seen as taboo. Approximately 51.27 million viewers watched the 90-minute spectacle, according to Nielsen, which was simulcast across 22 networks. Variety 1
NausAllien Posted August 3 Posted August 3 It's hard to argue that Trump is "scared" to debate Kamala, when he even sat down for an interview with NABJ. An interview that Kamala backed out of. The one who hasn't sit for a full interview ever since she became the Democratic nominee is Kamala. All she's done in these past two weeks is rallies. Outside of this echo chamber, she's the one that will be seen as cowardly, especially given her not-so-stellar past interviews. For example: 2 12
GhostBox Posted August 3 Posted August 3 3 minutes ago, shookgrande said: ugh a debate NEEDS to happen, it would give Kamala a big boost even if it comes down to agreeing to Trump's terms… that would be better than it not happening at all I fear Why would she agree to a debate on his terms in a room full of his supporters and his handpicked moderators 💀 Again this is trump whining and try to get his own way while his back is up against a wall 1
Armani? Posted August 3 Posted August 3 Is she waiting till DNC to put a policy on her website.... 1 1
GhostBox Posted August 3 Posted August 3 1 minute ago, NausAllien said: It's hard to argue that Trump is "scared" to debate Kamala, when he even sat down for an interview with NABJ. An interview that Kamala backed out of. The one who hasn't sit for a full interview ever since she became the Democratic nominee is Kamala. All she's done in these past two weeks is rallies. Outside of this echo chamber, she's the one that will be seen as cowardly, especially given her not-so-stellar past interviews. For example: Sorry she's too busy riding the momentum wave and taking the Lead in all the polls 1
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