Blade Posted August 1 Posted August 1 49 minutes ago, N.M.K. said: Glad to see you've missed my point. But nice one since I won't be as eloquent as this is: happy to share this on my point on Shapiro if you really are in good faith trying to engage on the subject: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/josh-shapiro-netanyahu-jewish-vp/679300/ but again, my point is that the other candidates all have affirmed Israel's right to exist, and some have been even more affirmative of Netanyahu that Shapiro has. Yet it's only Shapiro - the one Jewish candidate - who has been dubbed "Genocide Josh" happy to engage more after reading this and even considering what I'm saying. But you can have the slam dunk for ATRL clout if that makes you feel better. and as for the Bernie point, it's just the reverse republican talking points. "I have Black friends!" Or how can I be racist I didn't even think about X or Y when I voted for the Jewish person who espoused the views that I wanted. Meanwhile the overwhelming majority of Jews have a shared identity with Israel and at a fundamental level believe in its right to exist. But you can pick and choose the ones that fit your narrative. again, you can disagree with Shapiro for how he handled the college protests or any other matter. But the point is, when you look at his rhetoric and stances, his support of Israel has not been markedly different - and in many instances - on the surface weaker than those of other contenders. But it's the one Jewish man who is associated with genocide, let alone the fact that coin was termed following the extermination of his own people. You're talking about missing points when you didn't even reply to the argument in my last post after I clarified that I meant "thread" instead of "forum" when saying members here have not displayed antisemitism as we would shut it down immediately. So let's go through point by point, even though you stopped replying to me the last time. Quote but again, my point is that the other candidates all have affirmed Israel's right to exist, and some have been even more affirmative of Netanyahu that Shapiro has. Yet it's only Shapiro - the one Jewish candidate - who has been dubbed "Genocide Josh" Quote again, you can disagree with Shapiro for how he handled the college protests or any other matter. But the point is, when you look at his rhetoric and stances, his support of Israel has not been markedly different - and in many instances - on the surface weaker than those of other contenders. But it's the one Jewish man who is associated with genocide, let alone the fact that coin was termed following the extermination of his own people. Yes all VP candidates have a non-ideal view of Israel but only ONE, Josh Shapiro, called BDS (a non-violent Pro-Palestinian group) a "stain". If "Genocide Josh" is antisemitic as you want to argue, then that's Islamophobic. However, I wouldn't go far as to say his comment was Islamophobic and just settle with the fact that it's anti 1st amendment which isn't much better. His enforcement of anti-BDS laws against BEN AND JERRYS is most notable when distinguishing him from the other VP candidates. It's one thing for BDS to promote divestment against Israel. Feel how you want about that. It's worse in the case of Ben and Jerry's that it was them refusing to sell in the WEST BANK's illegal settlements If you want me to applaud Shapiro's tough rhetoric on Netanyahu I will. That makes me slightly less hesitant about him being full blown Zionist with blind loyalty to that genocidal maniac but there's clearly a reason why he's called Genocide Josh by leftists as I detailed without even mentioning the "KKK" comment. Quote and as for the Bernie point, it's just the reverse republican talking points. "I have Black friends!" Or how can I be racist I didn't even think about X or Y when I voted for the Jewish person who espoused the views that I wanted. Meanwhile the overwhelming majority of Jews have a shared identity with Israel and at a fundamental level believe in its right to exist. But you can pick and choose the ones that fit your narrative. That's a false equivalence. Your comparison would be effective if leftists showed support to an antisemitic Jewish person. Kind of like a Candace Owens. Someone who fits the mold ethnically but holds values that conflict with the interests of that ethnicity. Then if they paraded THAT person around as "look I voted for a Jew!" it would be exactly what you're describing with the "I have Black friends!" trope. Bernie is a very much antisemitic Jewish person just as he is a pro-Palestinian. You can be both and Bernie isn't some rare token there are plenty of Jews for Palestine. There's you "slam dunk for ATRL" I guess 1 1
Aston Martin Posted August 1 Posted August 1 16 minutes ago, GhostBox said: This is another reason why we need to vote for Harris and win this race no matter who is the vp pick. (Beshear, Shapiro, waltz, Pete , ect.) He's already signaling he's gonna retire. We can't let Trump pick his replacement I will turn my atheist ass into the loudest of Bible thumpers if this man retires (or bites it) between now and November also please Kamala pick a good VP with minimal or no baggage so that November is a blowout and you get to pick his replacement
Communion Posted August 1 Posted August 1 17 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said: The DNC needs to be more imaginative in their perspective. America doesnt need a Cop-Cop tandem. There has to be a balance Tim Walz is like the embodiment of what the Democratic Party can and should be. He even started the entire "weird" angle against Trump which is doing Kamala's campaign favors. And you cant even call him a "socialist" or a "commie" based on his record. It really is about a lack of political imagination that betrays everything partisans tell us about elections. We are constantly told of the evils of Trumpism and how Republicans work to sabotage Democrats' agenda... so why was a Democratic governor filling his office with Republicans? Why is now the Dem candidate for POTUS likely choosing this same Dem who uplifts Republicans? Why is a Democratic ticket trying to appeal to the political party that wants to destroy it? Republican consultants are bragging how they've succeeded in moving Dems to the right. Even when the majority of Dem voters are progressive, progressivism is never rewarded by the establishment. This is literally what created the schism in 2016. You had news anchors crying on TV in 2020 over Sanders. Yet continually the Democratic establishment rewards those who use their power to uplift Republicans. Shapiro himself only ended up as governor after borrowing a (failed!) strategy from Hillary Clinton of all people. 1 1
Blade Posted August 1 Posted August 1 1 minute ago, Wonderland said: Chief Justice Hillary Clinton has a nice ring to it What in the 🌊💙🇺🇸☮️ is this post? 4
GhostBox Posted August 1 Posted August 1 https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRoX2fjS/ this AI song about JD and couches has me cracking up 😂
Sannie Posted August 1 Posted August 1 3 minutes ago, Wonderland said: Chief Justice Hillary Clinton has a nice ring to it She would, unironically, be one of the best SCOTUS judges ever... if only for the pettiness. 1 1
Wonderland Posted August 1 Posted August 1 4 minutes ago, Sannie said: She would, unironically, be one of the best SCOTUS judges ever... if only for the pettiness. The meltdowns when she refuses to recuse herself on Trump cases would be iconic
Wonderland Posted August 1 Posted August 1 7 minutes ago, Blade said: What in the 🌊💙🇺🇸☮️ is this post? The leader of Blue MAGA 🌊💙 needs to take her rightful throne 1
Blade Posted August 1 Posted August 1 2 minutes ago, nooniebao said: This would genuinely be one of the saddest outcomes of a primary in a long time. Ousting Cori, one of the most progressive members of Congress ever, simply because she's anti-genocide and anti-establishment. I hope she's able to overcome it but look what they did to Bowman. 4 8
Blade Posted August 1 Posted August 1 Call me naive but I still have hope. Not only do Harris and Shapiro not look good together as they give off cop/cop or prosecutor/prosecutor at best, they need to work with the GIFT given to them in the form of JD Vance. Both Beshear and Walz provide a perfect foil to JD Vance especially on a debate stage. Beshear's early "He ain't from here" jab would work perfectly against someone viewed so negatively. Meanwhile the "weird" line from Walz would do just as good if not better against Vance whose appearances in the past few days have been nothing but weird. The uptick in backlash from today's mini freakout over that Philly Dem tea (which in all honesty should even have exclusive info on who is VP this early) should solidify to the Harris campaign that Shapiro is a disaster as VP. Ideologically and optically. 5 1
VOSS Posted August 1 Posted August 1 10 hours ago, Communion said: You posted that stupid ass thread yesterday about fake Heil Hitler chants and hid it when it was debunked. Maybe I should have left it up with a correction. What do you usually do when Hamas propaganda you share ends up being fake? 10 hours ago, Communion said: Genuinely what life experience puts someone so clearly privileged down such a path of a reactionary, nasty ideology? Not to put people in boxes but I've never seen a user match such a caricature of their ideology. How does one go from "actually YIMBYism is progressive and we're driven by the desire to end inequality" to then posting and promoting all of the below far right narratives (all of which you've done) - Affirmative action and DEI is anti-Asian and anti-white racism Universities are implementing DEI in a way that is often quite clearly an imposition of an institutional ideology. It becomes a problem when the public views them as explicitly and sometimes exclusively left-wing spaces and not places of open inquiry. Most conspicuously, they spent years pushing expansive definitions of harm for other minority groups, emphasizing impact over intent, but when "Zionist" Jewish students felt unsafe surrounded by classmates chanting "globalize the intifada" or "from the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab" they suddenly claimed to be bastions of free speech. It's such a clear double standard and causes them to lose legitimacy. Our universities are the best in the world and one of our country's greatest strengths. I don't want to see them taken down by politics. 10 hours ago, Communion said: - Homeless people are all drug addicts who choose to be homeless I don't think all homeless people are drug addicts, though many of the most visible ones are. Some, certainly not most, choose to be homeless because they don't want help. I don't think cities should be banned from preventing homeless people from camping on the streets and it seems quite obvious that that there are massive negative impacts on the rest of the population if they are allowed to do so. I see it first hand walking past fentanyl addicts nodding off on the street when I walk to work every morning. Your belief is that unless a city can provide free or affordable housing to anyone who wants to live there, they should not be able to stop people from camping on the streets. Obviously in any major city that would be impossible to do, even if they somehow managed to acquire all vacant properties. This would really not be an issue, of course, if we just built a lot more housing and rents were lower. I'm even happy for the government to build more housing. It's often quite cost ineffective, but it's better than nothing. 10 hours ago, Communion said: - Crime can only be solved through harsh punitive policing and jailing Never said that. Though police and prison abolitionism is obviously just a nonstarter and the intense focus on it was incredibly counterproductive and a waste of political capital. 10 hours ago, Communion said: - American hegemony and harsh immigration policies are good because most migrants are bad and culturally regressive, seeking to invade and take over America I fully support high levels of immigration from all around the world. Maintaining public support is crucial because politicians who lose that support seem to frequently be replaced by those with much crueler intentions. When millions of people cross the border illegally in a year, it's politically necessary to do something about it as most voters do not support open borders. 10 hours ago, Communion said: - Genocide is good What is the ideological transformation that's happening here? What struggles do you have as a high income earner in..what is it? Oregon? Washington? That makes you think your political goals come from exterminating Palestinians? I mean, OK. You think terrorism is good and you jumped for joy on October 7. I obviously am horrified at the current situation and hope for a lasting peaceful resolution. Netanyahu and Hamas are both awful. I don't think Israel should be destroyed. Idk what else to say. 1 1
ClashAndBurn Posted August 1 Posted August 1 Damn, this woman must be an antisemitic Karen for speaking out against an accomplished Jewish politician, how dare she
Communion Posted August 1 Posted August 1 (edited) 27 minutes ago, VOSS said: Maybe I should have left it up with a correction. What do you usually do when Hamas propaganda you share ends up being fake? Universities are implementing DEI in a way that is often quite clearly an imposition of an institutional ideology. It becomes a problem when the public views them as explicitly and sometimes exclusively left-wing spaces and not places of open inquiry. Most conspicuously, they spent years pushing expansive definitions of harm for other minority groups, emphasizing impact over intent, but when "Zionist" Jewish students felt unsafe surrounded by classmates chanting "globalize the intifada" or "from the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab" they suddenly claimed to be bastions of free speech. It's such a clear double standard and causes them to lose legitimacy. Our universities are the best in the world and one of our country's greatest strengths. I don't want to see them taken down by politics. I don't think all homeless people are drug addicts, though many of the most visible ones are. Some, certainly not most, choose to be homeless because they don't want help. I don't think cities should be banned from preventing homeless people from camping on the streets and it seems quite obvious that that there are massive negative impacts on the rest of the population if they are allowed to do so. I see it first hand walking past fentanyl addicts nodding off on the street when I walk to work every morning. Your belief is that unless a city can provide free or affordable housing to anyone who wants to live there, they should not be able to stop people from camping on the streets. Obviously in any major city that would be impossible to do, even if they somehow managed to acquire all vacant properties. This would really not be an issue, of course, if we just built a lot more housing and rents were lower. I'm even happy for the government to build more housing. It's often quite cost ineffective, but it's better than nothing. Never said that. Though police and prison abolitionism is obviously just a nonstarter and the intense focus on it was incredibly counterproductive and a waste of political capital. I fully support high levels of immigration from all around the world. Maintaining public support is crucial because politicians who lose that support seem to frequently be replaced by those with much crueler intentions. When millions of people cross the border illegally in a year, it's politically necessary to do something about it as most voters do not support open borders. I mean, OK. You think terrorism is good and you jumped for joy on October 7. I obviously am horrified at the current situation and hope for a lasting peaceful resolution. Netanyahu and Hamas are both awful. I don't think Israel should be destroyed. Idk what else to say. I'm sorry but this reactionary ideology rambling, to quote future VP Tim Walz, is WEIRD. "Supporting genocide is bad and it's clearly upsetting the Dem bas-" "Did you know most Arabs hate gay people? I guess we Dems should hate gays too to win them over, huh? Right? Mooslems hate queers" "...huh? What are you talking about?" "I know you jumped for joy on 10/07. You DEI-pushing cultural marxists are nothing but Jew Haters and want to Islamize the West!!" ?? These politics are WEIRD!! Like WHAT are you even talking about?? Edited August 1 by Communion
VOSS Posted August 1 Posted August 1 7 minutes ago, Communion said: I'm sorry but this reactionary ideology rambling, to quote future VP Tim Walz, is WEIRD. "Supporting genocide is bad and it's clearly upsetting the Dem bas-" "Did you know most Arabs hate gay people? I guess we Dems should hate gays too to win them over, huh? Right? Mooslems hate queers" "...huh? What are you talking about?" "I know you jumped for joy on 10/07. You DEI-pushing cultural marxists are nothing but Jew Haters and want to Islamize the West!!" ?? These politics are WEIRD!! K.
Armani? Posted August 1 Posted August 1 3 hours ago, Rotunda said: Note that the UAW endorsed Kamala today Shapiro OUT?
Both Sides Now Posted August 1 Posted August 1 (edited) 9 hours ago, 19SLAYty9 said: I believe Fox / The Murdoch's are planning on turning on Trump. They have been giving their resident liberal, Jessica, lots of airtime and have been letting her decimate Trump without pushback I noticed this too. Even the blonde Fox interviewer was pushing back a bit to Trump. It is interesting that the Murdoch-owned Sun and Times both endorsed Labour Party in the UK (well, not really the Times - but they didn't endorse the Conservatives for the first time in 20 years). In the UK, the transformation of the Conservatives from a neolib party into a reactionary Trumpian mess has been absolutely ruinous for the economy. I don't think this is the right-wing media suddenly having a come to Jesus moment because of Trump's fascist tendencies. He hasn't really changed since 2016. I think they are realising that their money is more secure with managerial neoliberals like the Dems instead of erratic fascists - even if they prefer the fascism. Edited August 1 by Both Sides Now
Vermillion Posted August 1 Posted August 1 The LAYERS of deception and shamelessness literally are frothing and spilling over hourly for Shapiro at this point. There's just landmine after landmine, it's unfathomable…. I've given up most hope for her candidacy if he's picked at this point. Starting with Michigan. 2
Virgos Groove Posted August 1 Posted August 1 What can be, unburdened by what has been - Wikipedia You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? - Wikipedia We did it, Joe! - Wikipedia Reading theory... 11
americanlife Posted August 1 Posted August 1 Just now, Virgos Groove said: What can be, unburdened by what has been - Wikipedia You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? - Wikipedia We did it, Joe! - Wikipedia Reading theory... "The question "You think you just fell out of a coconut tree?" was raised by United States Vice President Kamala Harris during remarks delivered at a May 2023 White House ceremony" 1
TaggedGalaxy Posted August 1 Posted August 1 Cenk from TYT being excited for Shapiro and preferring him over all the other choices other than Walz was not something I was expecting
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