Communion Posted July 31 Posted July 31 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Bloo said: This is the exact thing I... for lack of better words... miss about the Trump era. We were in a time where it felt people were able to see the naked horror of conservatism and capitalism at large. Suddenly, people were seeing all the ways in which capitol is destroying the environment because Trump would just blurt it out loud. This then led to a Blue Wave where AOC and the rest of The Squad rose to power. AOC was one of the most prolific members of Congress—regularly hosting primetime town halls that garnered a lot of viewership. Then, we get a primary contest where people are, as you say, competing for the left... only to shift back to the right and claim, "look we just need to beat Trump." One of the most dispiriting things about Biden's presidency has been the refusal to acknowledge his faults without being called a Trump apologist that wants to see him re-elected: - "Can we not fund the genocide against the Palestinian people?!" - "Umm, do you actually think Trump would be any better?? We need to stop him from getting elected." That's why I'm so annoyed with any rightward shift. I don't want Trump to win. I really don't. Kamala becoming the presumptive nominee really reminded me of how much I don't want Trump re-elected because I kind of just embraced the overwhelming likelihood he was bound to win against Biden. But, I really do not want to see the Democratic Party win by shifting to the right because they shouldn't be rewarded for ceding to the policy positions that they should be opposing. But, this could be preventable if we have a representative country with more than this f**ked up two-party system (as well as the abolishment of money in politics). I said it maybe a day ago that, if you're a progressive, there's a likely chance that you might regret voting for Biden in 2020 against Trump instead of voting 3rd party, depending on which issue you prioritize, but I think this better summarizes what I was trying to get at. I didn't vote for Biden in 2020 over his stance on M4A and seeing Kamala yesterday announce her views on healthcare + M4A are the same as Biden's was....genuinely infuriating. It's also frustrating to remember how the go-to line in 2020 was "the president's views don't even matter, what matters is who passes policy in Congress!!" and yet... Biden's tenure was a case study in how the POTUS shapes the party's Overton window. Dems have moved to the right, in large part, due to the head of the party being him and he being a conservative. Universal healthcare. Abolish ICE. A $15/hr Minimum Wage. Free College For All. The Green New Deal. Ban Fracking. Nationalizing Utilities. Federal Jobs Guarantee. Wealth Taxes on Billionaires. Ending Right-to-Work. Universal suffrage via the right to vote for all. The Sanders Experiment from 2015 to 2020 was like an attempt to introduce as many progressive ideas as possible into the public consciousness and seeing how radically they could change the landscape of America via the springboard of Trump, only for Biden to destroy all that progress in 4 years. Biden even moved right from what he campaigned on in 2020 (what happened to the public option?? lol), so for Kamala to just pick up his platform? It's now just no longer Biden being out of touch. It's now precedent. The party line. It's him, Kamala, Kamala's successor, etc. (unless someone disrupts this notion). Every Dem will now go back to the position that poor people deserve to die if they cannot afford healthcare? Not to even then talk about their sycophants and partisan supporters. GhostBox spent the last 3 years calling Biden the most progressive president in history, but if that is somehow true, it's incongruent that then Kamala and Dems would let the GOP dismantle that apparent record and make them pivot more to the right. Literally saw a writer for the ******* Bulwark brag about conservatives being successful in forcing Dems to move to the right: I wanna d*e Edited July 31 by Communion 6
Kylizzle Posted July 31 Posted July 31 8 minutes ago, YellowRibbon said: Hmmm... It's clearly Beshear or Pete lmao Please please please don't be true. I can't take Vance calling Pete from South Bend BUTTigieg for 3 months. Gay men would need to go into hiding. 9
clee95 Posted July 31 Posted July 31 I saw a clip of young Pete in college and he was cute. He's always been good at talking. 1
Relampago. Posted July 31 Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, YellowRibbon said: The PR camping that Pete has been doing this past week is remarkable. He has the ambition I fear He's ambitious and smart but I'm sorry he bombed so, SO hard with Black voters and we NEED them in states like Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, etc The gay thing doesn't bother me as much, I don't think too many people would be turned away solely off that alone, at least not people already voting for Kamala, but in that same vein it's not going to pull any new voters in. He's probably the worst actual option I've seen to be honest. 1 3
Popular Post Kylizzle Posted July 31 Popular Post Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, clee95 said: I saw a clip of young Pete in college and he was cute. He's always been good at talking. I can't believe I googled this because of you. Never play in my face like that again 25
Communion Posted July 31 Posted July 31 7 minutes ago, Kylizzle said: Please please please don't be true. I can't take Vance calling Pete from South Bend BUTTigieg for 3 months. Gay men would need to go into hiding. The way I saw a nickname for Pete on Twitter that I can't repeat cause it contains a homophobic slur but it kind of made me cackle and would 100% become a meme/joke that gay twitter appropriates and runs into the ground if he's VP. 4
Relampago. Posted July 31 Posted July 31 1 minute ago, Kylizzle said: I can't believe I googled this because of you. Never play in my face like that again He was kinda hot in the military tho 1
Sannie Posted July 31 Posted July 31 OK, I'm not sounding the alarm just yet. I don't think this means she picked Shapiro. She has to start somewhere in the rust belt.
thedeathbymusic Posted July 31 Posted July 31 Pete needs to run for Governor or something. he needs to prove he can lead and earn votes cause I'm not seeing that 4 1
GhostBox Posted July 31 Posted July 31 (edited) Just for old times sake…. Harris/Shapiro coming for that 270-268 win 🎉 id prefer Tim Walz actually 👀 Edited July 31 by GhostBox
Sannie Posted July 31 Posted July 31 35 minutes ago, Bloo said: Blame it on the trauma of the Tim Kaine VP announcement. dddd we've been through so much we have to be pessimistic. OK. I've decided this means nothing. She has to start somewhere and might as well be a big state that she CAN and must win. She has chosen Andy!!!
MAKSIM Posted July 31 Posted July 31 4 minutes ago, thedeathbymusic said: Pete needs to run for Governor or something. he needs to prove he can lead and earn votes cause I'm not seeing that The whole appeal of picking Pete is that he has shown that at the national level in the demographics that Kamala wants to pick up, white and conservative leaning. He was the mayor of South Bend, Indiana. He had no business coming top two in Iowa and New Hampshire, largely because of moderate/independent leaning voters, not progressive ones.
Tovitov Posted July 31 Posted July 31 Beshears weird ass crytic posts about loving Kentucky and Jesus make me think it's him 1 3 5
Sannie Posted July 31 Posted July 31 (edited) Omg. Pennsylvania is very close to KY so Andy can sneak in without being noticed. also, her team previously said not to read two into the first stop of the campaign. Edited July 31 by Sannie
Vermillion Posted July 31 Posted July 31 Yet again, this revisionist history on the Iowa 2020 cluster**** is profoundly frustrating. Pete won on a fluke after getting voters to ignore his abysmal record with black voters in South Bend, Indiana, the same black vote he'd depress on a Kamala ticket. ENOUGH. Keep him as a Fox attack dog for the retired white wine Moms and keep it moving. 6 1 1 1
Lightbringer007 Posted July 31 Posted July 31 honestly beshear and walz have seemingly been the most active out of the VP picks with shapiro behind them, plus with beshears interesting tweets I'm starting to get the feeling it may actually be him
YellowRibbon Posted July 31 Posted July 31 Hold the line Beshearnators, the awkward uncle vibes + Kamala's ijboling everywhere will get Dems a Trifecta 1 10
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 31 ATRL Moderator Posted July 31 If she picks Beshear and Kamala flips Kentucky blue before Texas... more likely than you think..! 3
Wonderland Posted July 31 Posted July 31 I need the little Beshearsters to teach their man how to deliver a punchline better so it doesn't look canned 3
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 31 ATRL Moderator Posted July 31 34 minutes ago, Communion said: I said it maybe a day ago that, if you're a progressive, there's a likely chance that you might regret voting for Biden in 2020 against Trump instead of voting 3rd party, depending on which issue you prioritize, but I think this better summarizes what I was trying to get at. I didn't vote for Biden in 2020 over his stance on M4A and seeing Kamala yesterday announce her views on healthcare + M4A are the same as Biden's was....genuinely infuriating. It's also frustrating to remember how the go-to line in 2020 was "the president's views don't even matter, what matters is who passes policy in Congress!!" and yet... Biden's tenure was a case study in how the POTUS shapes the party's Overton window. Dems have moved to the right, in large part, due to the head of the party being him and he being a conservative. Universal healthcare. Abolish ICE. A $15/hr Minimum Wage. Free College For All. The Green New Deal. Ban Fracking. Nationalizing Utilities. Federal Jobs Guarantee. Wealth Taxes on Billionaires. Ending Right-to-Work. Universal suffrage via the right to vote for all. The Sanders Experiment from 2015 to 2020 was like an attempt to introduce as many progressive ideas as possible into the public consciousness and seeing how radically they could change the landscape of America via the springboard of Trump, only for Biden to destroy all that progress in 4 years. Biden even moved right from what he campaigned on in 2020 (what happened to the public option?? lol), so for Kamala to just pick up his platform? It's now just no longer Biden being out of touch. It's now precedent. The party line. It's him, Kamala, Kamala's successor, etc. (unless someone disrupts this notion). Every Dem will now go back to the position that poor people deserve to die if they cannot afford healthcare? Not to even then talk about their sycophants and partisan supporters. GhostBox spent the last 3 years calling Biden the most progressive president in history, but if that is somehow true, it's incongruent that then Kamala and Dems would let the GOP dismantle that apparent record and make them pivot more to the right. Literally saw a writer for the ******* Bulwark brag about conservatives being successful in forcing Dems to move to the right: I wanna d*e Yeah, all of this. I don't have anything to add. This has been my biggest issue with Biden for a long while. He has moved the party to the right and it's been so discouraging. Trump is awful. He doesn't existentially scare me though. Democrats moving further to the right as the GOP continues to spiral into fascism does, though. It wasn't long ago that Hillary Clinton was suggesting Dems give up advocating for trans rights because it was too divisive: https://thehill.com/homenews/media/3528763-clinton-us-at-the-precipice-of-losing-democracy/ It's just sad, torrid state of affairs. So pitiful that Kamala Harris has somehow excited me... All we can do is push for leftist policies and hope they listen and engage in other political efforts outside of electoralism. Elections are important, but they're not the entirety of Democracy. 1 2
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 31 ATRL Moderator Posted July 31 5 minutes ago, Wonderland said: I need the little Beshearsters to teach their man how to deliver a punchline better so it doesn't look canned In the meantime, Beshear can teach Democrats across the country how to make campaign ads that have proven to work in red states. 9
Sannie Posted July 31 Posted July 31 11 minutes ago, Wonderland said: I need the little Beshearsters to teach their man how to deliver a punchline better so it doesn't look canned Nah. It's endearing and will go over well with the demographic he's meant to bring in. what he should start doing is post thirst traps.
Relampago. Posted July 31 Posted July 31 The whiplash of this thread going from a sure fire Shartpiro pick after PA's rally being first to Papa Beshallah's cryptic Jesus tweets meaning he's the most likely pick is sending me 2 1
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