GraceRandolph Posted July 31 Posted July 31 42 minutes ago, MAKSIM said: Seems like a Shapiro pick. Oh it's so over.
WildAmerican Posted July 31 Posted July 31 4 minutes ago, Rotunda said: Regardless of who VP is I am curious what information her campaign has on Michigan generally. If it is Shapiro, I wonder how much of it is them feeling more confident fighting extra hard in Michigan and a little less hard in the rest of the Rust Belt than trying to fight equally hard across the Rust Belt. Walz. Joe Biden to her Obama. And he's a better communicator has a progressive record but appeals to a more moderate midwesterener in image.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 31 ATRL Moderator Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, ADMKHN said: I think they're smarter than to make it Shapiro. I wish I shared your confidence. 7
Communion Posted July 31 Posted July 31 12 minutes ago, Bloo said: TW: IF YOU'RE SENSITIVE ABOUT THE STATE OF THE ELECTION & NEED TO MAINTAIN YOUR PEACE OF MIND, PLEASE DON'T READ THE SPOILER TY <3 Hide contents The fact this happened with, not only Kamala Harris, but also Elizabeth Warren is damning though. Two case studies in one primary. As soon as Warren became the front-runner, finally passed Biden in the polls in the RCP average, she began to pivot to the center on healthcare and her polling collapsed immediately. I know there are many who think this is obsessing on the boundaries, but the boundaries decides elections. Biden won by 44,000 votes across three states in 2020. Kamala's surge in the polls is reassuring for those that don't want to see Trump win. But, it is not permanent. It can change with a flicker of political chaos and I think there's a lot of optimistic good will at the moment because Biden was so hated and people are excited to see him off the ticket. But if she stumbles and makes bad choices, then she can join his former position in the polls. I know he's unfortunately proven himself politically illiterate and unable to overcome a lifetime of pro-Israel indoctrination, but I can't help but think back to 2016 and how Sanders was often criticized about how the policies needed tweaking to be more inclusive and more progressive. That so often critiques were made that Sanders' vision of a better future for the working class didn't address nuances along lines of race or gender and that he should address these shortcomings, even if his critics often argued in bad faith. ...and then 2020 came along and it's like all of that criticism... was taken in, processed, and genuinely implemented in good faith? There was actual reception to critique? Accelerationism is obviously flawed but it's a bit insulting how Trump's presence caused a genuine race to the left amongst Dems in 2020 yet now it's a mad dash to the right in 2024... despite there being little evidence the median voter has fundamentally moved and just that centrist, corporate Dems won out in the end & seized the microphone. The days of Kamala releasing a plan for "expanded criteria to public service loan forgiveness", only for Warren to one-up her with "$50k in student student debt relief," only for Sanders to one-up Warren with the moral argument for eliminating all student debt. Genuinely one-up'ing each other on progressive policy to now it feels like many partisan Dems are antsy and on the edge of their seat, waiting until we're a month out to cynically go "KAMALA ISN'T GOING TO BE MORE PROGRESSIVE THAN BIDEN! BLACK WOMEN HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS DUE TO LACKING PRIVILEGES WHITE MEN ARE AFFORDED & WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ACCEPT HER PLATFORM!". The political imagination of the average elected Democrat has just incredibly shrunk and become more regressive despite no evidence this matches voter sentiment. 2
Relampago. Posted July 31 Posted July 31 1 minute ago, Rotunda said: - Good speaker - Swing State - Not Old - Counters some of the antisemitism allegations (though also raises anti-Palestinian ones) Winning Georgia or the combination of Arizona-Nevada would make up for losing Michigan. I think the real tea is that they probably think they can win Michigan even with Shapiro (and I don't think that's necessarily wrong but I assume they're privy to data that we aren't). I forgot about Georgia, but I really hope they're not counting on AZ. Demographically and issues-wise, it's not a strong swing state for her. I really don't see that coming home to Harris, and if they think it is I think it's a bit shortsighted to sacrifice Michigan for Arizona AND Nevada. I assume it's the latter like you say and they still expect to bring home Michigan (probably cause Kamala will continue to move left of Biden on Gaza among other things) but they must be really betting on all roads leading to PA if so. The gag when after all this it's Kelly and we run into a different set of issues Just pick Walz Kamala!
Rotunda Posted July 31 Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, Relampago. said: I forgot about Georgia, but I really hope they're not counting on AZ. Demographically and issues-wise, it's not a strong swing state for her. I really don't see that coming home to Harris, and if they think it is I think it's a bit shortsighted to sacrifice Michigan for Arizona AND Nevada. I assume it's the latter like you say and they still expect to bring home Michigan (probably cause Kamala will continue to move left of Biden on Gaza among other things) but they must be really betting on all roads leading to PA if so. The gag when after all this it's Kelly and we run into a different set of issues Just pick Walz Kamala! Without PA you do unfortunately need Georgia and one of NV/AZ, so they're kinda correct that all roads go through PA.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 31 ATRL Moderator Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, Communion said: I know he's unfortunately proven himself politically illiterate and unable to overcome a lifetime of pro-Israel indoctrination, but I can't help but think back to 2016 and how Sanders was often criticized about how the policies needed tweaking to be more inclusive and more progressive. That so often critiques were made that Sanders' vision of a better future for the working class didn't address nuances along lines of race or gender and that he should address these shortcomings, even if his critics often argued in bad faith. ...and then 2020 came along and it's like all of that criticism... was taken in, processed, and genuinely implemented in good faith? There was actual reception to critique? Accelerationism is obviously flawed but it's a bit insulting how Trump's presence caused a genuine race to the left amongst Dems in 2020 yet now it's a mad dash to the right in 2024... despite there being little evidence the median voter has fundamentally moved and just that centrist, corporate Dems won out in the end & seized the microphone. The days of Kamala releasing a plan for "expanded criteria to public service loan forgiveness", only for Warren to one-up her with "$50k in student student debt relief," only for Sanders to one-up Warren with the moral argument for eliminating all student debt. Genuinely one-up'ing each other on progressive policy to now it feels like many partisan Dems are antsy and on the edge of their seat, waiting until we're a month out to cynically go "KAMALA ISN'T GOING TO BE MORE PROGRESSIVE THAN BIDEN! BLACK WOMEN HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS DUE TO LACKING PRIVILEGES WHITE MEN ARE AFFORDED & WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ACCEPT HER PLATFORM!". The political imagination of the average elected Democrat has just incredibly shrunk and become more regressive despite no evidence this matches voter sentiment. This is the exact thing I... for lack of better words... miss about the Trump era. We were in a time where it felt people were able to see the naked horror of conservatism and capitalism at large. Suddenly, people were seeing all the ways in which capitol is destroying the environment because Trump would just blurt it out loud. This then led to a Blue Wave where AOC and the rest of The Squad rose to power. AOC was one of the most prolific members of Congress—regularly hosting primetime town halls that garnered a lot of viewership. Then, we get a primary contest where people are, as you say, competing for the left... only to shift back to the right and claim, "look we just need to beat Trump." One of the most dispiriting things about Biden's presidency has been the refusal to acknowledge his faults without being called a Trump apologist that wants to see him re-elected: - "Can we not fund the genocide against the Palestinian people?!" - "Umm, do you actually think Trump would be any better?? We need to stop him from getting elected." That's why I'm so annoyed with any rightward shift. I don't want Trump to win. I really don't. Kamala becoming the presumptive nominee really reminded me of how much I don't want Trump re-elected because I kind of just embraced the overwhelming likelihood he was bound to win against Biden. But, I really do not want to see the Democratic Party win by shifting to the right because they shouldn't be rewarded for ceding to the policy positions that they should be opposing. But, this could be preventable if we have a representative country with more than this f**ked up two-party system (as well as the abolishment of money in politics). 6
shelven Posted July 31 Posted July 31 I really, really want to believe Harris's team is smarter than to pick someone whose media coverage is so obviously going to become dominated by this sexual harassment scandal within 10 seconds of him getting picked Like it's such an inevitability. "I put sexual predators behind bars" presidential candidate vs. "I keep sexual predators hired as my top aide months after a complaint against them is filed" vice presidential candidate isn't something the media is just going to ignore 6
Wonderland Posted July 31 Posted July 31 There better be an iconic Veep skit featuring Kamala at the DNC I'm MANIFESTING it 1
WildAmerican Posted July 31 Posted July 31 you know she was holding in the biggest cackle of her damn life here 2 6
Lightbringer007 Posted July 31 Posted July 31 (edited) not yall immediately expecting the worse when nothing has been official yet help edit: also ... Edited July 31 by Lightbringer007 1 1
Eat The Acid Posted July 31 Posted July 31 4 minutes ago, WildAmerican said: you know she was holding in the biggest cackle of her damn life here She definitely was but her restraint is very impressive !
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 31 ATRL Moderator Posted July 31 Just now, Lightbringer007 said: not yall immediately expecting the worse when nothing has been official yet help Blame it on the trauma of the Tim Kaine VP announcement. 2
Rotunda Posted July 31 Posted July 31 No idea how old this clip is but there's a treasure trove of just…ridiculous content coming out of the GOP
armink Posted July 31 Posted July 31 deluding myself into thinking that putting PA as the first stop was a 4D chess move into determining the public response to a Shapiro pick and her team will see the world saying NO and change course 1
GraceRandolph Posted July 31 Posted July 31 If she picks Shapiro y'all better apologize to Marianne. 3
Redstreak Posted July 31 Posted July 31 (edited) 2 minutes ago, armink said: deluding myself into thinking that putting PA as the first stop was a 4D chess move into determining the public response to a Shapiro pick and her team will see the world saying NO and change course Not to be delulu but I actually thought about this as well, my TL is currently flooded with anti Shapiro sentiments and I'm hoping her very online so far campaign is noticing Edited July 31 by Redstreak 2 1
Relampago. Posted July 31 Posted July 31 5 minutes ago, YellowRibbon said: Hmmm... It's clearly Beshear or Pete lmao Shapiro sweetie I'm so sorry for all the things I've said
YellowRibbon Posted July 31 Posted July 31 1 minute ago, Relampago. said: Shapiro sweetie I'm so sorry for all the things I've said The PR camping that Pete has been doing this past week is remarkable. He has the ambition I fear 2
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