Blade Posted July 30 Posted July 30 (edited) From a Politico article on Wall: "In terms of auditioning, [Walz is] doing an exceptional job," said a person familiar with the Harris campaign's VP conversations. "He's got the Midwest grit, the Midwest sensibility and that appeal goes beyond the Midwest." "He's aggressive in a way that Mark Kelly is not, in terms of boxing in Republicans, and saying it in a way that a lot of people are already thinking," the person familiar with the running mate conversations added, referring to the Arizona senator, who is another leading VP contender. On the flip side, Harris' circle is weighing how well she could meld with Walz, pointing out his penchant for gruffness during his congressional years, said the person, who was granted anonymity to discuss the private conversations. That quality seems to have "tempered" during Walz's gubernatorial tenure, but it's part of the current conversations, they noted. And Walz would also bring his strong relationships with moderate voters and coalitions to the ticket — something that Harris herself lacks, people close to her acknowledge. Walz "lived a whole life" before getting into politics, said another Democrat in a battleground district, who was granted anonymity to candidly discuss the matter. "He's not a career politician," the Democrat added. "That's pretty helpful right now." Edited July 30 by Blade 9 2
nadiamendell Posted July 30 Posted July 30 1 minute ago, Blade said: From a Politico article on Wall: "In terms of auditioning, [Walz is] doing an exceptional job," said a person familiar with the Harris campaign's VP conversations. "He's got the Midwest grit, the Midwest sensibility and that appeal goes beyond the Midwest." "He's aggressive in a way that Mark Kelly is not, in terms of boxing in Republicans, and saying it in a way that a lot of people are already thinking," the person familiar with the running mate conversations added, referring to the Arizona senator, who is another leading VP contender. On the flip side, Harris' circle is weighing how well she could meld with Walz, pointing out his penchant for gruffness during his congressional years, said the person, who was granted anonymity to discuss the private conversations. That quality seems to have "tempered" during Walz's gubernatorial tenure, but it's part of the current conversations, they noted. And Walz would also bring his strong relationships with moderate voters and coalitions to the ticket — something that Harris herself lacks, people close to her acknowledge. Walz "lived a whole life" before getting into politics, said another Democrat in a battleground district, who was granted anonymity to candidly discuss the matter. "He's not a career politician," the Democrat added. "That's pretty helpful right now." Speaking of Kelly, I feel like he has been very quiet while the others have been getting a lot of media attention. I'm not sure if this means anything. 2
Rotunda Posted July 30 Posted July 30 36 minutes ago, Bamboo said: Leave JD Vance alone Hide contents Yall save ur attacks for a few weeks, we can't give them a chance to drop him I think if Dems all call for Trump to drop Vance that'd guarantee he'd keep him.
Blade Posted July 30 Posted July 30 1 minute ago, nadiamendell said: Speaking of Kelly, I feel like he has been very quiet while the others have been getting a lot of media attention. I'm not sure if this means anything. Based on that article I think the list was like this as of today before Cooper confirmed he wasn't in it: 1. Shapiro and Walk are close to being tied. That article with a source close to the campaign shows Walz kind of came as a Dark Horse with his TV appearances making some buzz. Also, I know there's probably tons of people in her camp who think the PA boost, no matter how small, is too good to give up. 2. Beshear. His tweets make it seem like he's near the top. Plus he's actually had appearances/events where he does decent to pretty good. 3. Kelly. This man has been the most low-key out of the front runners. He did randomly pop up to say he supports the PRO act but he's put in like no effort. 4. Cooper. I knew I was right in not believing that phony report saying he was in the Top 3 especially when another Top 3 came out soon after with him not on it. 5. Buttigieg. The only ones who want him are prob resist **** libs who think they'd be some Dynamic Duo when all he'd do is scare Black voters away.
Vroom Vroom Posted July 30 Posted July 30 13 minutes ago, GhostBox said: I feel like Tim walz would be what JD was to trump. A pick for hammering the base they already have. if Harris was in the lead it would make more sense for her to pick Tim. Just like Trump picking JD made more sense for his base before Biden blew up their entire strategy. 💀 that's why I see her picking Shapiro or Kelly. To expand her voter outreach. Most of the time VPs are from safe states. Picking a sitting senator or governor in a swing state can hurt the party. Pundits love to say that a vp pick can deliver a swing state, but that rarely happens. I guess Al Gore could be an example, but I'm not familiar with Tennessee's electoral history Based on history, her vp pick will be Walz, Pritzker or Buttigieg. But this is an extremely abnormal election and the media keeps reporting that it's Kelly or Shapiro, so who knows 1
clee95 Posted July 30 Posted July 30 1 minute ago, nadiamendell said: Is this true? This supposed to be their guy..omg
MAKSIM Posted July 30 Posted July 30 15 minutes ago, Blade said: Based on that article I think the list was like this as of today before Cooper confirmed he wasn't in it: 1. Shapiro and Walk are close to being tied. That article with a source close to the campaign shows Walz kind of came as a Dark Horse with his TV appearances making some buzz. Also, I know there's probably tons of people in her camp who think the PA boost, no matter how small, is too good to give up. 2. Beshear. His tweets make it seem like he's near the top. Plus he's actually had appearances/events where he does decent to pretty good. 3. Kelly. This man has been the most low-key out of the front runners. He did randomly pop up to say he supports the PRO act but he's put in like no effort. 4. Cooper. I knew I was right in not believing that phony report saying he was in the Top 3 especially when another Top 3 came out soon after with him not on it. 5. Buttigieg. The only ones who want him are prob resist **** libs who think they'd be some Dynamic Duo when all he'd do is scare Black voters away. It's pretty obvious that Shapiro is the pick given the rally today with Harris co-chair Whitmer. Waltz, Beshear and Buttigieg are in a tier below Shapiro and Kelly.
Relampago. Posted July 30 Posted July 30 24 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Anyone shocked or clutching pearls because of Kamala pivoting to the center should know better She IS saying stuff just to get elected (whether or not it's true is besides the point) but she was always this girl. I thought we all knew this going into this election? To be clear on this, I don't really think this is a great idea either— Kamala's biggest weakness is her lack of consistency when pressed on contradictory statements and policies, I don't think doing this really helps her in that situation, but it may pacify some of the Biden-base who are skeptical of Kamala moving too far left (this can be made up for with the young vote anyways though). I also think politicians like Bernie putting pressure on adopting more progressive stances is important as well so there's still a progressive voice found in the Democratic Party, rather than shutting them out entirely. But it's kinda like.. well yeah fork found in kitchen, I'm not shocked she's doing this and I'm not shocked Bernie is pushing on her. It's all very been there done that for a long time now. I think Kamala will still do just fine with young voters, even if it's just because of her impeccable social media/internet campaigning and simply being more digestible than a 81 year old white man stumbling on the national stage. All in all, I don't think Kamala's policies outside of a few hot button issues really matter right now. Gaza, inflation and immigration (possibly climate?) are probably the 3 biggest ones she needs to be careful on, lest she alienate part of her voting bloc. M4A is popular but not a "trendy" topic atm, so if she wants to move to the center on this and to the left elsewhere, I think she's fine to do so. Spoiler although all of this is talking from a "winning" standpoint, i can't believe we're still debating healthcare as a human right and the fact our politicians still see this as something to be discussed or compromised on makes me sick to my stomach but so does having the same discussion i've had since 2019 about politicians who haven't changed since 2
Communion Posted July 30 Posted July 30 3 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Gaza, inflation and immigration (possibly climate?) are probably the 3 biggest ones 1 hour ago, Vroom Vroom said: I love the optimism but if she is randomly announcing that she is not supporting M4A and trying to pivot to the center, she's probably picking Kelly or Shapiro Me preparing for a Shapiro announcement followed by a campaign statement defending Israel recently being exposed for a massive rape-utilizing torture camp in the middle of the Israeli desert. (Genuinely think that more moderate users who I'm not quoting who are downplaying Harris watering down domestic policy are underestimating and taking for granted just how worse things are about to get with regards to Gaza and Israeli society fraying at the seams the last 72 hours, with all signs showing Biden/Harris endorse whatever Israel says but oh well, the Prophetess is never believed) 4 1
slik Posted July 30 Posted July 30 (edited) Was on the White Dudes for Harris call...4 million raised in 3 hours! Lots of people spoke Edited July 30 by slik 1
Blade Posted July 30 Posted July 30 1 minute ago, slik said: Was on the White Dudes for Harris call...4 million raised in 3 hours! Lots of people spoke Is the Joe Burrow thing fake?
Blade Posted July 30 Posted July 30 Am I surprised that Harris backtracked on M4A? No, I knew it was coming. Is it any less disappointing? No. Do I think it changes anything? Maybe. She can't *run* on it. Like don't go out and start attacking M4A or selling it as some crazy socialist idea. Please for the love of God just choose Walz. 1
shelven Posted July 30 Posted July 30 Shapiro is such a lose-lose because his position on Israel will depress turnout among young voters AND older moderate voters will turn against him once Republicans and the media jump on the sexual harassment scandal in his office Like the GOP is actually being uncharacteristically smart right now by (presumably intentionally) staying silent on that for now because you know they're hoping he gets picked so that they can pounce on that story immediately afterwards, and then the media will pick it up. Potentially gaining 2 points in Pennsylvania just isn't worth all the downsides he brings. Even Kelly feels like a better choice. The sexual harassment scandal should genuinely be disqualifying for Shapiro because it's the exact type of thing that will stick with the same suburban swing voters that he's theoretically supposed to be helping with. And the details of what actually happened and how involved he was won't end up mattering. The story will be simplified to "Harris's VP covered up sexual harassment" for 99% of people who hear about it. 9
Relampago. Posted July 30 Posted July 30 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Communion said: Me preparing for a Shapiro announcement followed by a campaign statement defending Israel recently being exposed for a massive rape-utilizing torture camp in the middle of the Israeli desert. (Genuinely think that more moderate users who I'm not quoting who are downplaying Harris watering down domestic policy are underestimating and taking for granted just how worse things are about to get with regards to Gaza and Israeli society fraying at the seams the last 72 hours, with all signs showing Biden/Harris endorse whatever Israel says but oh well, the Prophetess is never believed) You would think the response to Netanyahu's visit (both in protest and Congresspeople not showing up + reps like Tlaib straight up calling the man what he is— a war criminal) would make people a little more wary of Shapiro. Like FFS, Biden fumbled student loans, marijuana, etc and many young voters were STILL willing to support him after he failed to deliver on his milquetoast campaign promises multiple times, but the ONE thing we asked for was to stop supporting literal genocide. Kamala can at LEAST do that, and for what it's worth she seems to try to be distancing herself in small ways, but picking Shapiro will be such a big step backwards, especially when Walz is right there. So, they're almost definitely picking Shapiro and I'm just lighting my Alejandro candles hoping otherwise Edited July 30 by Relampago. 1
Sannie Posted July 30 Posted July 30 (edited) 2 hours ago, GhostBox said: I feel like Tim walz would be what JD was to trump. A pick for hammering the base they already have. if Harris was in the lead it would make more sense for her to pick Tim. Just like Trump picking JD made more sense for his base before Biden blew up their entire strategy. 💀 that's why I see her picking Shapiro or Kelly. To expand her voter outreach. Sis, where have you been the past week? Walz has the entire Republican party melting down because he called them weird and so many people are being woken up to that reality and being like... yeah, they are weird. He is able to pull in new people. 1 hour ago, nadiamendell said: Speaking of Kelly, I feel like he has been very quiet while the others have been getting a lot of media attention. I'm not sure if this means anything. Sleepy Kelly is too low energy. He cannot do what the job entails! 58 minutes ago, Communion said: Me preparing for a Shapiro announcement followed by a campaign statement defending Israel recently being exposed for a massive rape-utilizing torture camp in the middle of the Israeli desert. (Genuinely think that more moderate users who I'm not quoting who are downplaying Harris watering down domestic policy are underestimating and taking for granted just how worse things are about to get with regards to Gaza and Israeli society fraying at the seams the last 72 hours, with all signs showing Biden/Harris endorse whatever Israel says but oh well, the Prophetess is never believed) People are tuned into what's happening in the USA and are excited to finally have a new, competent nominee. Comparatively, they don't care about what's happening in other countries, and literally anyone willing to sit out because of Gaza was not going to vote for Kamala in the first place. I mean, you're already trying to come up with ways to back out of supporting her. I think you are severely overestimating just how much America cares about other countries in relation to what we're facing in the USA. I will say, picking Shapiro after what Walz has been able to do would be a buzzkill and really make no sense. The people have made their voices heard and they want Walz now. Edited July 30 by Sannie 4 1
CaptainMusic Posted July 30 Posted July 30 59 minutes ago, shelven said: Shapiro is such a lose-lose because his position on Israel will depress turnout among young voters AND older moderate voters will turn against him once Republicans and the media jump on the sexual harassment scandal in his office Like the GOP is actually being uncharacteristically smart right now by (presumably intentionally) staying silent on that for now because you know they're hoping he gets picked so that they can pounce on that story immediately afterwards, and then the media will pick it up. Potentially gaining 2 points in Pennsylvania just isn't worth all the downsides he brings. Even Kelly feels like a better choice. The sexual harassment scandal should genuinely be disqualifying for Shapiro because it's the exact type of thing that will stick with the same suburban swing voters that he's theoretically supposed to be helping with. And the details of what actually happened and how involved he was won't end up mattering. The story will be simplified to "Harris's VP covered up sexual harassment" for 99% of people who hear about it. Yeah if she picks Shapiro I think she'll lose, and the sexual harassment scandal will do even more damage than his views on Israel. This needs to be picked up and talked about more in the media so they don't choose him. 4 1
MAKSIM Posted July 30 Posted July 30 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Sannie said: Sis, where have you been the past week? Walz has the entire Republican party melting down because he called them weird and so many people are being woken up to that reality and being like... yeah, they are weird. He is able to pull in new people. Sleepy Kelly is too low energy. He cannot do what the job entails! People are tuned into what's happening in the USA and are excited to finally have a new, competent nominee. Comparatively, they don't care about what's happening in other countries, and literally anyone willing to sit out because of Gaza was not going to vote for Kamala in the first place. I mean, you're already trying to come up with ways to back out of supporting her. I think you are severely overestimating just how much America cares about other countries in relation to what we're facing in the USA. I will say, picking Shapiro after what Walz has been able to do would be a buzzkill and really make no sense. The people have made their voices heard and they want Walz now. By "the people" you mean some vocal pockets online. No polling suggests the people want Walz over any of the other choices. Edited July 30 by MAKSIM
Blade Posted July 30 Posted July 30 6 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said: Yeah if she picks Shapiro I think she'll lose, and the sexual harassment scandal will do even more damage than his views on Israel. This needs to be picked up and talked about more in the media so they don't choose him. How is she even going to use the "I put sexual predators behind bars" line on Trump if her VP did the exact opposite? I hope the choice is clear. 8
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