GhostBox Posted July 27 Posted July 27 (edited) 13 minutes ago, VOSS said: What kind of judge do we think a President Harris would appoint to the Supreme Court? Alito has been missing from some things lately… Isn't it about time we have a liberal Native American on the Supreme Court? Edited July 27 by GhostBox 1
Aston Martin Posted July 27 Posted July 27 19 minutes ago, VOSS said: What kind of judge do we think a President Harris would appoint to the Supreme Court? Alito has been missing from some things lately… I think having either a Native American or queer judge on the SC would be good. They may be able to sway some of the least extreme Republicans (like Roberts or ACB in some instances) on cases involving indigenous communities or queer rights. But honestly replacing Thomas or Alito with just about any non-conservative would be a vast improvement. 2
Aston Martin Posted July 27 Posted July 27 Also I wasn't paying attention to politics in 2016 as much as I am now, but is it true that Hillary was planning to nominate a Republican to the SC if she won?
teresaguidice Posted July 27 Posted July 27 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Aston Martin said: Also I wasn't paying attention to politics in 2016 as much as I am now, but is it true that Hillary was planning to nominate a Republican to the SC if she won? i wouldn't put it past her but i think most assumed she would've given rbg's seat to garland Edited July 27 by teresaguidice 1
Bears01 Posted July 27 Posted July 27 20 minutes ago, Aston Martin said: Also I wasn't paying attention to politics in 2016 as much as I am now, but is it true that Hillary was planning to nominate a Republican to the SC if she won? I don't know, but Republicans were still the heavy favorites to control the senate leading up to the election (I believe). Mitch McConnell was not going to let her appoint a liberal. 45 minutes ago, VOSS said: What kind of judge do we think a President Harris would appoint to the Supreme Court? Alito has been missing from some things lately… Myrna Perez from the Second Circuit court of appeals https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrna_Pérez I do not like Biden, he has lost so much good will from his bending over backwards toward Israel, and just his stubbornness and refusal to leave that almost threw the Democratic Party into ruins…..BUT: he has appointed some fantastic judges the last 3.5 years. Much better, younger, and more progressive than Obama 1
GraceRandolph Posted July 27 Posted July 27 24 minutes ago, Aston Martin said: Also I wasn't paying attention to politics in 2016 as much as I am now, but is it true that Hillary was planning to nominate a Republican to the SC if she won? Yes
Sergi91 Posted July 27 Posted July 27 33 minutes ago, Aston Martin said: Also I wasn't paying attention to politics in 2016 as much as I am now, but is it true that Hillary was planning to nominate a Republican to the SC if she won? No
Bears01 Posted July 27 Posted July 27 4 minutes ago, Blade said: A waste of resources. Florida is GONE. What they need to do is march for the marijuana legalization ballot measure 1 2
Sannie Posted July 27 Posted July 27 (edited) 2 hours ago, Vroom Vroom said: I was at my boyfriend's family pool party. Usually we stay away from politics but today all they wanted to talk about is how Kamala is better than Trump and Biden. They also talked mad **** about JD Vance. Cat lady, diet Mountain Dew and eye liner. They talked about all of it. His mom said that Harris can't win because, "1 she's a woman, 2 she's black", I disagreed with her There is a slim chance that if the Vance narrative continues, a lot of straight men will think it's embarrassing to vote for him and Trump and sit out 1 hour ago, nooniebao said: Gotta win PA. 1 hour ago, Pop Art said: That clip of Trump admitting this will be the last election if he wins is chilling. We all knew it, but it hits different hearing him say it out loud. We CANNOT let him win if we ever want a chance at positive, forward movement in the US ever again. This might ruffle some feathers, but left leaning people that insist on sitting the election out because they're not satisfied with Kamala are just a hair away from being as bad as MAGAts in my opinion. If Kamala wins, we can still make progress; if Trump wins, no progress will be made perhaps indefinitely and in fact much of the progress made over the last 50+ years will be backtracked. It's relieving seeing many people that were sitting out when Joe was the candidate hop onboard with Kamala, but I know there's still some holdouts. From a principle perspective, it's refreshing and encouraging that Kamala recognizes that she needs to earn our votes, but let's be real, we need to vote for her no matter what to stop a Trump dictatorship. I've had serious hope ever since Joe dropped out, but that clip of Trump brought me right back to dread. thankfully I'm seeing a lot of leftists move away from this narrative and are now in agreement with you. So many people who were like NO VOTE FOR BIDEN are now very much following what you said. They're even calling out other leftist who continue to push the do not vote narrative. Truth be told, the people who are still like don't vote. We're never going to vote to begin with. 4 minutes ago, Bears01 said: A waste of resources. Florida is GONE. What they need to do is march for the marijuana legalization ballot measure No, it's not a waste of resources as long as it's not taking away from what they're doing in other states. As long as kamala doesn't go down there and campaign herself it's fine. There are vulnerable people in Florida who do need help as well, so this can invigorate them to vote for other things like abortion measures or local elections. It's all part of their campaign strategy of "earning the vote". Edited July 27 by Sannie 1 1
GraceRandolph Posted July 27 Posted July 27 Yall so obsessed with leftist yall are forgetting EVERYONE and their mama was abandoning Biden 3
Sannie Posted July 27 Posted July 27 25 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Yall so obsessed with leftist yall are forgetting EVERYONE and their mama was abandoning Biden But the mamas weren't online pushing a narrative that people shouldn't vote, and those mamas are now excited for Momala! 3
GhostBox Posted July 27 Posted July 27 Ahh yes. Calling the country's first ever black female vice president a bum is definitely gonna win over the women of this country 💀 1
GhostBox Posted July 27 Posted July 27 Yup calling women "disgusting" because they don't like your sexist rhetoric and opinions is definitely gonna win over the women in this country 💀 1
Sannie Posted July 27 Posted July 27 2 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Yup calling women "disgusting" because they don't like your sexist rhetoric and opinions is definitely gonna win over the women in this country 💀 Dude hates women so much he literally can't help himself even if it means losing the election. Jenn Aniston is quite literally one of the most beloved actresses of white women... 1 1
Rotunda Posted July 27 Posted July 27 58 minutes ago, Bears01 said: A waste of resources. Florida is GONE. What they need to do is march for the marijuana legalization ballot measure These are local volunteers so it's kinda whatever
Redstreak Posted July 27 Posted July 27 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Blade said: Cancel student loan debt too king Please right before the election it would be so iconic Edited July 27 by Redstreak
Sannie Posted July 27 Posted July 27 30 minutes ago, Blade said: cancel student loan debt too king Curious... what stops SCOTUS from striking any of this kind of stuff down after inevitable GOP lawsuits? Ideally, if Dems take the White House, Kamala has the DOJ do deep, deep investigations into Thomas and Alito to the point that they get so stressed they just give up and retire lol. 2
Blade Posted July 27 Posted July 27 I genuinely don't understand some of these takes I'm seeing from leftists about the white women for Kamala call. How can we (as leftists) critique white women for being the reason Trump won and then act like this. Also the "your tax dollars fund genocide" take is so useless. My tax dollars fund genocide. Their tax dollars fun genocide. Our tax dollars fund genocide. What are we supposed to do about that? I can protest every single day and we'll all be complicit in genocide. 8
Blade Posted July 27 Posted July 27 42 minutes ago, Sannie said: Curious... what stops SCOTUS from striking any of this kind of stuff down after inevitable GOP lawsuits? Ideally, if Dems take the White House, Kamala has the DOJ do deep, deep investigations into Thomas and Alito to the point that they get so stressed they just give up and retire lol. They did give him immunity
Communion Posted July 27 Posted July 27 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Blade said: I genuinely don't understand some of these takes I'm seeing from leftists about the white women for Kamala call. How can we (as leftists) critique white women for being the reason Trump won and then act like this. Also the "your tax dollars fund genocide" take is so useless. My tax dollars fund genocide. Their tax dollars fun genocide. Our tax dollars fund genocide. What are we supposed to do about that? I can protest every single day and we'll all be complicit in genocide. I think these kinds of critiques cannot be meaningfully discussed - at least on this medium - because having to discuss the kind of imagery people have witnessed for 10 months to get to these conclusions would ultimately result in being banned for posting insensitive content. How do we meaningfully discuss the reality that images of children with their lower limbs blown off - legs imploded to where the flesh looks like ribbons of meat - may be why some leftists see voting as futile? This isn't to question anyone identifying as a leftist, but leftism is not just progressivism. To be a leftist is to be a socialist and have an understanding that people exist in the context (ddd) of their material conditions. The logical flaw in liberal electoralism is that it expects an action (voting) and an end result (votes) from the belief that people will naturally be propelled towards these actions by abstract concepts of moralism. Even when time has shown most people are not motivated by abstract theories of civic duty. What motivation would actually convince someone to wake up in the morning, go to work, and then find time in their day to cast a ballot for someone who ultimately is directly responsible for the murder of their cousin? Their aunt? Their uncle? Their niece? Their grandparents? America has helped Israel to slaughter what some estimates say is 200,000 Palestinians, with 80%+ of the remaining 2M Gazans now permanently displaced. America is home to the 2nd largest Palestinian diaspora outside of the Middle East. There are going to be material, familial bonds linking America to Gaza. Would you vote for someone who murdered your loved one? Edited July 27 by Communion
Blade Posted July 27 Posted July 27 3 minutes ago, Communion said: I think these kinds of critiques cannot be meaningfully discussed - at least on this medium - because having to discuss the kind of imagery people have witnessed for 10 months to get to these conclusions would ultimately result in being banned for posting insensitive content. How do we meaningfully discuss the reality that images of children with their lower limbs blown off - legs imploded to where the flesh looks like ribbons of meat - may be why some leftists see voting as futile? This isn't to question anyone identifying as a leftist, but leftism is not just progressivism. To be a leftist is to be a socialist and have an understanding that people exist in the context (ddd) of their material conditions. The logical flaw in liberal electoralism is that it expects an action (voting) and an end result (votes) from the belief that people will naturally be propelled towards these actions by abstract concepts of moralism. Even when time has shown most people are not motivated by abstract theories of civic duty. What motivation would actually convince someone to wake up in the morning, go to work, and then find time in their day to cast a ballot for someone who ultimately is directly responsible for the murder of their cousin? Their aunt? Their uncle? Their niece? Their grandparents? America has helped Israel to slaughter what some estimates say is 200,000 Palestinians, with 80%+ of the remaining 2M Gazans now permanently displaced. America is home to the 2nd largest Palestinian diaspora outside of the Middle East. They are going to material, familiar bonds linking America to Gaza. Would you vote for someone who murdered your loved one? I agree with everything you said especially cause I'm not one of those people that thinks it's effective to shame people for not voting/voting 3rd party. That twitter user has a right to their opinion and they don't have to even be Palestinian to be horrified by the Palestinian genocide to the point that they don't want to participate in the election. I get anyone that feels that way even if I personally feel differently about voting. I posted that specific tweet as an example of a few takes I've seen specifically criticizing the white women's call trying to falsely equate it to a *white's only* event as though it's some right wing rally and not a call to address how white women directly elected Trump or were at least complicit in allowing Trump to win which ultimately took away rights from millions. I can get into how it affected minorities disproportionately, so white women should especially feel the need to act, but I'd be preaching to the choir. I get the cringe factor of the clip posted but trying to make it seem like "white pride" event when the invitation itself said "all are welcome" is disingenuous. 2
Communion Posted July 27 Posted July 27 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Blade said: I agree with everything you said especially cause I'm not one of those people that thinks it's effective to shame people for not voting/voting 3rd party. That twitter user has a right to their opinion and they don't have to even be Palestinian to be horrified by the Palestinian genocide to the point that they don't want to participate in the election. I get anyone that feels that way even if I personally feel differently about voting. I posted that specific tweet as an example of a few takes I've seen specifically criticizing the white women's call trying to falsely equate it to a *white's only* event as though it's some right wing rally and not a call to address how white women directly elected Trump or were at least complicit in allowing Trump to win which ultimately took away rights from millions. I can get into how it affected minorities disproportionately, so white women should especially feel the need to act, but I'd be preaching to the choir. I get the cringe factor of the clip posted but trying to make it seem like "white pride" event when the invitation itself said "all are welcome" is disingenuous. I think the tweet is trying to address what is ultimately seen as a double standard within liberal ideology. Liberals claim that voting is a moral action and a decision that everyone should feel responsible for, but in practice, Americans largely do not live by these ideals. The women's whiteness is pointed out to highlight that they're not organizing out of some moral rejection of fascism. They're organizing because Trump actually poses a material harm to them as women despite their immense privilege (rich white Americans). And that the framing by liberals of their own actions as driven by a higher sense of moralism (highlighting their privilege as a form of virtue signaling) is insulting to many given, as the user mentions, the complete lack of similar organizing to stop a genocide that Americans have actual material power to stop given that they are the ones directly funding it. Liberals are not driven by morals - they're driven by that voting is transactional. They're not white women driven by the suffering of black women - they're white women reacting to the threat Trump poses to white women. This reality in itself would be inconsequential - as in it just it what it is - if not for many of these types moralizing about their duty to uplift Kamala Harris as a black woman also actively being those who disparage and dehumanize the Muslim and Palestinian women who find themselves unable to support then Biden and now Harris. One has to wonder how easily white American women would radicalize if Trump started bombing random American suburbs and if they fail to realize that such is essentially what Biden is directly responsible for in Palestine given the reality of Israel as a satellite state of the US. Edited July 27 by Communion 4
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