NausAllien Posted July 26 Posted July 26 I don't know if a ticket with a black woman and a gay man can win a presidential race yet...
anti-bitch Posted July 26 Posted July 26 4 minutes ago, NausAllien said: I don't know if a ticket with a black woman and a gay man can win a presidential race yet... Might as well go all out with the culture war at this point. It's not sustainable to always fold and try to please the conservatives.
GraceRandolph Posted July 26 Posted July 26 1 minute ago, anti-***** said: Might as well go all out with the culture war at this point. It's not sustainable to always fold and try to please the conservatives. The thing is adding a gay man to the ticket could tick off some older socially conservative Black & Latino voters that still vote Democratic. 1
Wonderland Posted July 26 Posted July 26 13 minutes ago, NausAllien said: I don't know if a ticket with a black woman and a gay man can win a presidential race yet... Pete should be announced as VP while in drag just to really set everything off 1
Blade Posted July 26 Posted July 26 1 hour ago, GraceRandolph said: I'm so nervous. I don't know if Independent male voters are ready to vote for a black female POTUS. Does anyone think I'm wrong? Obviously Kamala will mobilize the Democratic base voters more than Biden but what about those Independents? The idea that "independent voters" are this monolith of straight white guys who hate women and minorities make it seem like you're conflating (not purposefully, I would hope) them with Libertarians. Libertarians are either going to vote Libertarian or vote Trump. Additionally, the voters who would never vote for a Black woman are already baked into Trump's base. Independent voters look like everyone and don't have a common ideology other than being dissatisfied and or not identifying with a D or R label. 1
shelven Posted July 26 Posted July 26 Pete wouldn't be a bad choice because "America's not ready for a ticket with an openly gay man on it" or whatever. He'd be a bad choice because he comes across as a lecturer, which Dem loyalists love but independents and less engaged voters are turned off by. It's the same reason (or at least one of them) why Warren was never able to overtake Bernie in the 2020 primaries even though they were generally ideologically aligned. Bernie was much better at talking in a way that didn't make it seem like he viewed himself as the smartest person in the room; he communicated ideas in a more casual way like your personal friend or family member would do. That's also why I think Beshear would ultimately be a good choice - some super engaged Dems are hesitant that he speaks in a more soft spoken and less polished way, but that will likely resonate more with Rust Belt swing voters than a super sharp talking debate robot. 2
WildAmerican Posted July 26 Posted July 26 14 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: huge improvement from biden's numbers, that's exactly what we want. she does need to win all these states to win tho, so more work to be done 2
GraceRandolph Posted July 26 Posted July 26 3 minutes ago, Blade said: The idea that "independent voters" are this monolith of straight white guys who hate women and minorities make it seem like you're conflating (not purposefully, I would hope) them with Libertarians. Libertarians are either going to vote Libertarian or vote Trump. Additionally, the voters who would never vote for a Black woman are already baked into Trump's base. Independent voters look like everyone and don't have a common ideology other than being dissatisfied and or not identifying with a D or R label. Not saying that at all. But there are indications of young men moving to the right and gender dynamics are very rough nowadays. It's a legit concern.
Blade Posted July 26 Posted July 26 2 minutes ago, WildAmerican said: huge improvement from biden's numbers, that's exactly what we want. she does need to win all these states to win tho, so more work to be done It's super early but the fact that her team now considers AZ, NV, GA, and NC part of the map is good news. Multiple sources reported that by the end of the Biden campaign his ONLY path was WI, MI, PA and by last weekend he was told that that path was also out of reach based on the latest polling. I'm confident that the public polling AND the internal polling swing has been significant enough that Harris, while having less paths than Trump, has more paths to the White House like O' Malley Dillon said in her memo a couple days ago. 3
Blade Posted July 26 Posted July 26 Spoiler She's looking for "more of a governing partner" than an electoral boost, one person involved in the conversations told NOTUS. Effectively, "someone with executive experience at the highest level." 1
Sannie Posted July 26 Posted July 26 27 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: 16 minutes ago, Blade said: The idea that "independent voters" are this monolith of straight white guys who hate women and minorities make it seem like you're conflating (not purposefully, I would hope) them with Libertarians. Libertarians are either going to vote Libertarian or vote Trump. Additionally, the voters who would never vote for a Black woman are already baked into Trump's base. Independent voters look like everyone and don't have a common ideology other than being dissatisfied and or not identifying with a D or R label. Yep, my best friend is a straight, white man who voted Trump in 2016 bc he was red pilled and is now all-in for Kamala. He's more left than me at this point. A big part of his transition was that his little brother came out as trans and we all know how Trump treated trans kids. 12 minutes ago, WildAmerican said: huge improvement from biden's numbers, that's exactly what we want. she does need to win all these states to win tho, so more work to be done Since NV, GA, and NC may be in play now, she could technically flip-flop a couple states here and there. Her path looks to be opening up.
GraceRandolph Posted July 26 Posted July 26 13 minutes ago, shelven said: Pete wouldn't be a bad choice because "America's not ready for a ticket with an openly gay man on it" or whatever. Y'all underestimate just how much of a fragile coalition the Democratic Party really is. It's filled with socially liberal fiscal conservatives, socially conservative churchgoing black folks, reluctant leftists with nowhere to go, suburban moms, racial minorities in general, Muslims who hate Trump, and never Trumper Republicans. Pete is a big risk and he doesn't add much to a ticket that a different generic white dude wouldn't. 2 2
Sannie Posted July 26 Posted July 26 (edited) 13 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Y'all underestimate just how much of a fragile coalition the Democratic Party really is. It's filled with socially liberal fiscal conservatives, socially conservative churchgoing black folks, reluctant leftists with nowhere to go, suburban moms, racial minorities in general, Muslims who hate Trump, and never Trumper Republicans. Pete is a big risk and he doesn't add much to a ticket that a different generic white dude wouldn't. I know a few people who want Pete and they're all straight. Straight people don't seem to understand how pervasive homophobia still is since they don't deal with it. Had to convince my boomer boss the country wasn't ready for him. Edited July 26 by Sannie
GraceRandolph Posted July 26 Posted July 26 1 minute ago, Sannie said: I know a few people who want Pete and they're all straight. Straight people don't seem to understand how pervasive homophobia still is since they don't deal with it. Has to convince my boomer boss the country wasn't ready for him. Yeah, a lot of the people pushing for Pete are straight and don't quite understand how big of a risk it is. 1
Sannie Posted July 26 Posted July 26 3 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Yeah, a lot of the people pushing for Pete are straight and don't quite understand how big of a risk it is. Marianne lovers 🫱🏻🫲🏽 Marianne haters Understanding Pete is not it
Communion Posted July 26 Posted July 26 Pete's not unelectable because he's gay. He's unelectable because he's a racist. 5 2 2
shelven Posted July 26 Posted July 26 26 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Y'all underestimate just how much of a fragile coalition the Democratic Party really is. It's filled with socially liberal fiscal conservatives, socially conservative churchgoing black folks, reluctant leftists with nowhere to go, suburban moms, racial minorities in general, Muslims who hate Trump, and never Trumper Republicans. Pete is a big risk and he doesn't add much to a ticket that a different generic white dude wouldn't. Polls over the last few years have consistently found that less than 30% (and as few as 20%) of Americans are against gay marriage, and a significant portion of that number presumably includes Republicans who aren't voting for any Democratic ticket under any circumstances. Add that to the fact that Pete is a straight person's idea of a "model gay" (he's married, he has kids, he presents in a straight way, and he doesn't talk about being gay much other than when it comes up as a political topic) and I really struggle to imagine more than a trivial amount of people who would consider voting for a Democratic ticket but choose not to because a gay man is the VP. Ultimately we agree that Pete's a bad choice and adds nothing to the ticket. But I don't think his sexuality is the reason for that, I just think he would be an uninspiring VP who committed Dems like but would do nothing to persuade undecideds.
CaptainMusic Posted July 26 Posted July 26 (edited) If Pete is the VP Kamala probably gets the lowest % of black vote in decades. Nobody except out of touch white liberals wants him. Edited July 26 by CaptainMusic 2
CaptainMusic Posted July 26 Posted July 26 3 minutes ago, shelven said: Polls over the last few years have consistently found that less than 30% (and as few as 20%) of Americans are against gay marriage, and a significant portion of that number presumably includes Republicans who aren't voting for any Democratic ticket under any circumstances. Add that to the fact that Pete is a straight person's idea of a "model gay" (he's married, he has kids, he presents in a straight way, and he doesn't talk about being gay much other than when it comes up as a political topic) and I really struggle to imagine more than a trivial amount of people who would consider voting for a Democratic ticket but choose not to because a gay man is the VP. Ultimately we agree that Pete's a bad choice and adds nothing to the ticket. But I don't think his sexuality is the reason for that, I just think he would be an uninspiring VP who committed Dems like but would do nothing to persuade undecideds. I think you severely underestimate how homophobic straight men still are. Especially Black, Latino and Arab men who tend to be more religious. Many will struggle to vote for black woman AND a gay white man. Like 1
Armani? Posted July 26 Posted July 26 12 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said: If Pete is the VP Kamala probably gets the lowest % of black vote in decades. I think that would affect turnout more than it would turn to Trump votes tbh. Old Black Democrats especially still wouldn't flip to Trump for that lmao Also I'm not sure the average voter would even really fully realize his sexuality unless the news cycle/media intentionally covers it relentlessly
Rotunda Posted July 26 Posted July 26 I think them testing out Beshear in Atlanta and Iowa (two areas with very different demographics) is significant. 14
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