NausAllien Posted July 26 Posted July 26 Just now, GraceRandolph said: Kicking Vance off the ticket will just make Trump look worse going through 3 VPs. Nah... It could even give him a chance to rebrand himself: "I love cat ladies. My daughter, the younger one, she's a cat lady too. I couldn't believe he said that." 3
Sannie Posted July 26 Posted July 26 2 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Kicking Vance off the ticket will just make Trump look worse going through 3 VPs. Does anybody know the legal requirements around this?? Can he actually kick Vance off the ticket even though they've officially accepted the nomination?
shelven Posted July 26 Posted July 26 4 minutes ago, Sannie said: Does anybody know the legal requirements around this?? Can he actually kick Vance off the ticket even though they've officially accepted the nomination? According to Ballotpedia, yes in theory, but the problem is that the certification deadline for the GOP has already passed in a few states (Michigan being one of them). So now you run into the same logistical challenges that the Dems would have faced if Biden had dropped a few weeks after he did. 1 2
Sannie Posted July 26 Posted July 26 Just now, shelven said: According to Ballotpedia, yes in theory, but the problem is that the certification deadline for the GOP has already passed in a few states (Michigan being one of them). So now you run into the same logistical challenges that the Dems would have faced if Biden had dropped a few weeks after he did. Well, in that case, we really need Trump to drop Vance. 🤣 1
Sannie Posted July 26 Posted July 26 9 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Who was the more disastrous VP pick? Vance or Palin? Within context it has to be Vance? Palin had a pretty good approval rating after the RNC while Vance is in the negative lol 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 26 ATRL Moderator Posted July 26 2 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: Who was the more disastrous VP pick? Vance or Palin? Vance, easily. Pence was actually a great VP pick for Trump. Back in 2016, Trump was still weak with a really important contingency within the GOP base: evangelical voters. Ted Cruz's dead campaign was still being kept alive because evangelicals were hoisting him up despite it being obvious he wasn't going to make it. Why? Well, Trump had publicly and openly supported abortion rights in the past when he was a registered Democrat and spoke at length about how much he loved Hillary Clinton. Evangelical voters were hesitant Trump took them seriously or was remotely committed to "Christian values". This is especially relevant about the issue of abortion. Picking Mike Pence, this radical evangelical, was Trump basically telling that group of voters that he saw them and then he began to win them over. Trump was able to strengthen his hold on these voters as president, in large part due to the fact that he did manage to pick enough justices that Roe v. Wade did get overturned. But, he didn't have that confidence initially. Pence helped assuage those voters. Pence was the type of candidate Hillary should have picked in terms of trying to win over leftist voters in 2016 but was so arrogant that she went with a candidate to her right instead. EDIT: My dumbass glazed over your post and read Palin as “Pence”. I still think Vance is worse. Palin, while not the moment in 2008, tapped into a side of the GOP the mainstream Republicans at the time were not ready for. Vance is just awkward and redundant. 4 3
Vermillion Posted July 26 Posted July 26 23 minutes ago, shelven said: According to Ballotpedia, yes in theory, but the problem is that the certification deadline for the GOP has already passed in a few states (Michigan being one of them). So now you run into the same logistical challenges that the Dems would have faced if Biden had dropped a few weeks after he did. Fascinating - thank you for looking that up. I mean that sincerely. 4
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 26 ATRL Moderator Posted July 26 4 minutes ago, Rotunda said: This is a major improvement over Biden. Wow. She's going to need to be safe and talk about the genocide at length to assuage voters in MI that were deeply troubled by Biden's horrific support of the ongoing genocide. 5 5
Sannie Posted July 26 Posted July 26 18 minutes ago, Bloo said: This is a major improvement over Biden. Wow. She's going to need to be safe and talk about the genocide at length to assuage voters in MI that were deeply troubled by Biden's horrific support of the ongoing genocide. Yeah, and I feel like it would be really easy for to pull this off? Just simply use your words carefully and stay clear of anything Biden does lol. 1
Sannie Posted July 26 Posted July 26 11 minutes ago, GhostBox said: 💀 sdkfhsaksajhsd everything about this just screams sad. the six snicker bars MAOOSDOSDFOSDF 3
Wonderland Posted July 26 Posted July 26 I think Trump prioritised picking someone who would "say yes" and certify the election for him above all else. This fallout is the consequence of such a choice; because all of his yes men have the charisma of a dead fish. 4
Wonderland Posted July 26 Posted July 26 I think Vance is definitely going to go down as a worse pick than Palin. Palin was a disaster of a choice at the time; but she still brought an appeal for those future-MAGA Republicans who weren't on board with a figure like Mccain. It ultimately hurt him more with independents, but you can at least see the political calculus in the choice. There's no calculus to be had with Vance because that wasn't why he was chosen. It's clear that Trump picked him alone and likely against all the advice that was given to him. 1
midnightdawn Posted July 26 Posted July 26 Palin did well at first. Her RNC speech was good and she went after Obama in a way that the GOP hadn't been able to do. She was charismatic and fundraising took off and the polls tightened. But then when she sat down to do tv interviews it fell apart and the subsequent SNL mocking from Tina Fey. But McCain was basically going to lose that election regardless and selecting her was desperate attempt to do something different that might change the race. Whereas Trump is the front runner and picked someone that is dragging the ticket within weeks of being selected. I don't think Palin lost McCain the election but Vance could cost Trump the race when you compare him with what the other options would have done for the ticket. 2 1
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 26 Posted July 26 (edited) 10 hours ago, TrymeB said: Yes. A lot of the 18-25 year old I know are waiting for Marianne Williamson or Bernie Samders to run. Well yes, most of the 18-29 age range has taste, we don't want to vote for extreme Zionist neolib garbage like the AIPAC-bankrolled cop or Gaga we would rather vote for Marianne, Bernie, Rashida, or Dr. Jill (Stein, of course - not the pretentious one who has neither an M.D. nor a Ph.D.) Just look at the way my young-soul President is destroying the cop online. Kamala has an absolutely abysmal record (not to mention an absolutely abysmal record at running for president, she couldn't even attain 1,000 votes . Compare that with how many votes Bernie and Marianne got). Also, it's not a coincidence that she has the most despicable cult fanbase in all of politics (KHive) ... because like attracts like. And as if she's not unlikable enough already, any time her cultists attack progressives such as Marianne in order to defend her, they just make her cop ass look even worse ... Plus that's not a good way to convince people to vote for your dear neolib leader, lol - it's merely an effective way to make it more likely that people WON'T vote for her. But anyway, I wanna bring the conversation back to the broken criminal justice system that is disproportionately, negatively impacting black and brown people all across this country TO-DAY. Now, Harris says she's proud of her record as a prosecutor and that she'll be a prosecutor president. But I'm deeply concerned about this record. There are too many examples to cite but she put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana. She blocked evidence - she blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man from death row until the courts forced her to do so. She kept people in prison beyond their sentences to use them as cheap labor for the state of California, and she fought to keep cash bail system in place that impacts poor people in the worst kind of way. The bottom line is, Harris, when you were in a position to make a difference and an impact in these people's lives, you did not and worse yet in the case of those who are on death row, innocent people, you actually blocked evidence from being revealed that would have freed them until you were forced to do so. There is no excuse for that and the people who suffered under your reign as prosecutor — you owe them an apology. Also, QUEEN Rashida - she never disappoints. The way extreme Zionists called for her to leave the country after her "Guilty of Genocide" sign say the treasonous Americans simping for the leader of a foreign "country"? How ironic. And speaking of treason, how is AIPAC not registered as a foreign agent yet? Oh wait, the answer is money and corruption (both of which Kamala will NOT stand up to, unlike progressives) I guess Walz would be a good VP, but still not good enough to earn my vote. You can only put SO much lipstick on a Hawaiian-roasted pig. Edited July 26 by rihannabiggestfan 1 20
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