Wonderland Posted July 25 Posted July 25 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Mariah4life said: Are the Republicans calling Kamala, Karma-La? They are so terrible omg. Watching the clown and that's what he's calling herย I hope Kamala shades him back and calls him T-rump or Troompย ย Edited July 25 by Wonderland
Vroom Vroom Posted July 25 Posted July 25 47 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Another close poll. And this is before she picks her vp, the dnc convention, and before any debates.ย ย I love seeing her take support from third party candidates. ย The dynamics of this race changed so much. It is no longer a lesser of two evils election like 2016. Kamala is the future and Trump is the past. It is extremely clear. I have so much hope nowย 5
NausAllien Posted July 25 Posted July 25 ย Average today: Trump +1.75 ย Maybe she'll get a bump after the Convention!
GhostBox Posted July 25 Posted July 25 1 minute ago, NausAllien said: ย Average today: Trump +1.75 ย Maybe she'll get a bump after the Convention! Dude you're exhausting ๐ ย her campaign is only 3 days old and it's already basically a tied race.ย
Gottasadae Posted July 25 Posted July 25 2 hours ago, Sannie said: I'm watching clips of Trump at his North Carolina rally trying to attack Kamala and it's so, so, so, so clear they have nothing on her.ย Don't worry, they will dig some dirt on her after Convention. I bet russian propaganda machine is working 24/7 on that matter, same like they did it with Hillary, so just wait and prepare your popcornย
NausAllien Posted July 25 Posted July 25 6 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Dude you're exhausting ๐ ย her campaign is only 3 days old and it's already basically a tied race.ย At this time, Hillary was 2% up in 2016 and lost the EC. Biden was up 9% up and won by 4.5.ย ย The race is NOT tied. Trump is up by 2%, and Kamala SHOULD be up by at least 2-3% to win the EC. ย These are FACTS. Sorry if they annoy you or burst this bubble you have created... ย 8
Sannie Posted July 25 Posted July 25 13 minutes ago, NausAllien said: ย Average today: Trump +1.75 ย Maybe she'll get a bump after the Convention! Are you so dim that you think a statistical tie is a good thing for Trump post RNC, assassination attempt, and with Kamala being three days out? ย 8 1 1
NausAllien Posted July 25 Posted July 25 Just now, Sannie said: Are you so dim that you think a statistical tie is a good thing for Trump post RNC, assassination attempt, and with Kamala being three days out? ย I guess that when you run out of arguments, you have to resort to ad hominems. ย I'm not dim; I'm REALISTIC. Unlike most of you. ย Kamala is her honeymoon period getting A TON of good media coverage, has a ton of money to spend on ads and billboards, has endorsements from huge celebrities posting her on their huge social media accounts, has the entire world watching to see who she's gonna pick as running mate... And yet, the best she can get is an average of Trump + 1.75? ย Biden in April was STRONGER than Kamala now: ย So congrats, Kamala is doing slightly better than a barely cognisant Biden post-debate...ย ย 1 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 25 ATRL Moderator Posted July 25 7 minutes ago, NausAllien said: At this time, Hillary was 2% up in 2016 and lost the EC. Biden was up 9% up and won by 4.5.ย Hillary also was the established presidential candidate. Kamala justย became the presumptive nominee after the top of the ticket dropping out of the race and her needing to swap places with him very quickly.ย ย I'm usually the most vocally defensive people in this thread when it comes to the polls. I think too many people undercut their relevance and fail to correctly remember their accuracy in several election years. But, we need to wait a while until the polls stabilize for Kamala. Sheย justย started campaigning whereas Hillary had been campaigning for a year at this point in 2016. The polls are changing rapidly right now and there's a lot of variability at the moment. We need to wait a bit for them to settle down before we can actually rely on them too much at this point. ย I'm not saying ignore them completely. But, we need to look at all them with 10 pounds of salt because too many things are changing right now for us to rely on them too much at this point. 12
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 25 ATRL Moderator Posted July 25 2 minutes ago, NausAllien said: Kamala is her honeymoon period getting A TON of good media coverage No, the honeymoon will likely be the convention. ย I'm all happy to entertain criticisms of Kamala. But, hyper-fixating on polls forย thisย candidate with these historic circumstances makes no sense. We gotta wait a bit before we read too much into them because this circumstance is unprecedented. 9
Popular Post Rotunda Posted July 25 Popular Post Posted July 25 3 minutes ago, NausAllien said: I'm not dim; I'm REALISTIC. Unlike most of you. ย No shade but do you genuinely think you're the smartest person in this thread? You've been getting whacked for days by most users in this thread regardless of political ideology.ย 20
NausAllien Posted July 25 Posted July 25 2 minutes ago, Bloo said: I'm not saying ignore them completely. But, we need to look at all them with 10 pounds of salt because too many things are changing right now for us to rely on them too much at this point. I'm not saying the polls RIGHT now are the end of the story. They are a snapshot. I get that. But I would have expected a bigger bump considering all the reasons I mentioned in my other comment (tons of good media coverage, articles everywhere, tons of money to spend on ads, celebrity endorsements, etc). This is supposed to be her honeymoon period but she's barely doing better than the disaster that was Biden post-debate and nowhere near close as Biden pre-debate. ย I still think giving Kamala theย candidacy on a silver plater rather than having a selection of possible candidates and letting people decide was a bad idea. It might have been messy until the convention, but it would have resulted in Dems picking a far better candidate.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 25 ATRL Moderator Posted July 25 3 minutes ago, NausAllien said: I'm not saying the polls RIGHT now are the end of the story. They are a snapshot. I get that. But I would have expected a bigger bump considering all the reasons I mentioned in my other comment (tons of good media coverage, articles everywhere, tons of money to spend on ads, celebrity endorsements, etc). This is supposed to be her honeymoon period but she's barely doing better than the disaster that was Biden post-debate and nowhere near close as Biden pre-debate. ย I still think giving Kamala theย candidacy on a silver plater rather than having a selection of possible candidates and letting people decide was a bad idea. It might have been messy until the convention, but it would have resulted in Dems picking a far better candidate. Donald Trump just narrowly survived being assassinated just over a week ago. There's aย lotย going on and undecided voters still barely know Kamala. Sure, Kamala is the VP. But she's the VP of one of the most unpopular presidents in history. She needs to develop her own branding that is removed from Biden to gain traction. That does not happen over night. Give it time. ย So, again, this is not the honeymoon phase. This is the phase to build up hype and momentum and lay the groundwork to win over undecided voters. That's happening now. The week following the convention will be a better vibe check to see how the GP is feeling about her. Now is too indecisive to know much of anything. 14
NausAllien Posted July 25 Posted July 25 1 minute ago, Rotunda said: No shade but do you genuinely think you're the smartest person in this thread? You've been getting whacked for days by most users in this thread regardless of political ideology.ย I never claimed to be the smartest, and I most definitely am not. However, I believe I am more objective and realistic than many of you. You all are simply too close to be impartial. You see everything through a particular lens. But my lens isn't tainted by fanaticism toward any political party or ideology. ย The fact that most of you are so overtly ANTAGONISTIC towards someone who has different ideas, opinions, and perspectives speaks really poorly of you. ย @Bloo disagreed with my interpretation of the poll, but they weren't rude like most of you are. 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 25 ATRL Moderator Posted July 25 4 minutes ago, NausAllien said: I never claimed to be the smartest, and I most definitely am not. However, I believe I am more objective and realistic than many of you. You all are simply too close to be impartial. You see everything through a particular lens. But my lens isn't tainted by fanaticism toward any political party or ideology. I criticize the Democrats all the time and dunk on them more than I do the GOP, as do a lot of people in this thread. I'm also not a Democrat or a Republican, so frankly, the presumption on your end is not well founded. Plenty of us can be objective about the politics in our country. Are some of us super partisan? Sure. But, I wouldn't project that onto all of us. It's a pretty weak assumption. Additionally, not being an American does not make you more objective; it generally makes you less wary to how things play out in American politics. 4
Popular Post Rotunda Posted July 25 Popular Post Posted July 25 (edited) 8 hours ago, NausAllien said: I never claimed to be the smartest, and I most definitely am not. However, I believe I am more objective and realistic than many of you. You all are simply too close to be impartial. You see everything through a particular lens. But my lens isn't tainted by fanaticism toward any political party or ideology. ย The fact that most of you are so overtly ANTAGONISTIC towards someone who has different ideas, opinions, and perspectives speaks really poorly of you. ย @Bloo disagreed with my interpretation of the poll, but they weren't rude like most of you are. ย It's been repeated ad nauseum that most posters in here are not die hard Kamala supporters and that most would likely have supported a primary process if Biden announced his departure a year ago.ย ย You're being called out from people of varying levels of progressiveness, because our criticisms of your posts largely aren't politically oriented - they're logistical.ย ย The two main things that people keep trying to get you to understand aren't related to any allegiance to party.ย ย All we're saying is:ย ย 1. Experts on the right and left both say there's too much going on to understand exactly whatย polls are saying or what they shouldย be saying at this stage. Trump is in a honeymoon period after the assassination attempt. Kamala is just now beginning her honeymoon period and it'll extend through the DNC. Many polls are still using data from before her announcement. You have some notion in your mind that Kamala's announcement should have immediately not only made up the gap that Biden was facing, but also extended her above someone who just survived an assassination attempt and had their convention where they theoretically united their party. ย Prevailing wisdom is that Kamala's benefit over Biden is that she has a higher ceiling through people who may not have a formal opinion on her and may not fully lump her in with the Biden admin. Many of those folks' minds still need to be made up. ย 2. There was no logistical way to actually run a real contested process under the existing time and budgetary constraints that wouldn't have harmed the Democrats in the long run, there was no other candidate with a semblance of a national mandate, and there was no other candidate with enough name ID and prior vetting to compete against the most polarizing man in the country. Can you articulate what process you think would have made sense?ย Edited July 25 by Rotunda Grammar 10 11
Blade Posted July 25 Posted July 25 Can we just agree that an average of the very minimal polls that have been conducted since Sunday shows a Trump lead within the MOE during his convention bump and a gain for Harris compared to Biden among young, minority, and independent voters? ย That's literally ALL we know about the state of this new 4 day old race. 4 1
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