Thuggin Posted July 24 Posted July 24 13 minutes ago, Armani? said: I understand that right-wing Christian zealots are soulless ghouls who don't care about the Palestinians period and are waiting for the rapture or whatever, but how do most Dems still not sympathize more with Palestine after EVERYTHING that has gone on?
Armani? Posted July 24 Posted July 24 2 minutes ago, Thuggin said: I understand that right-wing Christian zealots are soulless ghouls who don't care about the Palestinians period and are waiting for the rapture or whatever, but how do most Dems still not sympathize more with Palestine after EVERYTHING that has gone on? Old heads since traditional media tries to paint it as Hamas vs Israel equally
Rotunda Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 minute ago, Thuggin said: I understand that right-wing Christian zealots are soulless ghouls who don't care about the Palestinians period and are waiting for the rapture or whatever, but how do most Dems still not sympathize more with Palestine after EVERYTHING that has gone on? A lot of people probably think of the "about equal" option as just wanting peace in their minds. A lot of folks also probably don't know the political context behind what's going on, and only know there's violence they want to end. 1
Kylizzle Posted July 24 Posted July 24 9 minutes ago, VOSS said: Yeah it's clear picking a Jewish VP would be the wrong choice at this point Being Jewish and supporting Israel's genocide of Palestinians are not the same thing. 9
Bears01 Posted July 24 Posted July 24 20 minutes ago, NausAllien said: Even though Harris has improved in key demographics, she's still trailing Trump by 3%. As I've been saying, she needs to reach out to new demographics, especially white men, if she wants to succeed. You are not American. Again, nobody cares about what you think someone needs to do. What she needs to do is show young voters she listens and understands about their concerns, as @Communionhas rightfully pointed out. What would help is not selecting an anti union Senator (Mark Kelly) and a Zionist (who might be beneficial to helping win PA still, in Shapiro) 1
19SLAYty9 Posted July 24 Posted July 24 I'm shocked. Democrats actually listening to progressives and campaigning for their vote? 2
Vermillion Posted July 24 Posted July 24 24 minutes ago, VOSS said: Yeah it's clear picking a Jewish VP would be the wrong choice at this point Everyone and their grandmother now sees through this tactic of equating antisemitism and anti-Zionism. You tried it. 2
VOSS Posted July 24 Posted July 24 16 minutes ago, Kylizzle said: Being Jewish and supporting Israel's genocide of Palestinians are not the same thing. I'm having a hard time thinking of any Jewish elected officials that antizionists would find acceptable as a VP nominee
Communion Posted July 24 Posted July 24 26 minutes ago, VOSS said: Yeah it's clear picking a Jewish VP would be the wrong choice at this point Kamala's husband and children are literally Jewish. People don't take issue with Shapiro because he is Jewish but bexause he is pro-genocide, anti-public education, pro-harsh sentencing and anti-leinency on criminal justice reform. 1
Vermillion Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Again, I have too to much to get to so I'll wait for responses but I'm just going to leave this here
Vermillion Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Just now, VOSS said: I'm having a hard time thinking of any Jewish elected officials that antizionists would find acceptable as a VP nominee The gaslighting here is I'll let you debate what you think of as Zionism with the others here (and may need to take it to the conflict thread) because I have to move on to other news.
VOSS Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 minute ago, Vermillion said: Again, I have too to much to get to so I'll wait for responses but I'm just going to leave this here I always laugh seeing politicians who work tirelessly to ensure that their cities continue looking as they did in the 1980's described as "progressive"
Vermillion Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Yeah, it's the Post. The Blaggo quote in here is bizarre. I never bought that Obama was holding his endorsement until the end of the convention and I actually totally buy most of the claims here, including that he thinks she's going to lose and have several blunders on her way there. The claim that he thinks she's a terrible debater I'm on the fence on - not on whether she is but that he said it.
Eóghan Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Honestly it's a good thing that they're taking their time picking the VP instead of rushing head first picking the first favorite that everyone points as the perfect ticket. It gives both the public + her team time to dig up all the skeletons, and also gauge the perception of each candidates online. When Biden dropped out and announced his endorsement for Harris, everyone was raving about Shapiro being the only and obvious choice, look at us now I bet Trump's camp wished they didn't settle so hastily on JD Vance because now he's more of a nuisance to them than a benefit.
DAP Posted July 24 Posted July 24 9 minutes ago, Vermillion said: Again, I have too to much to get to so I'll wait for responses but I'm just going to leave this here Well they aren't wrong. He is progressive. Progressively making his city uninhabitable by sabotaging new housing that is. 3
VOSS Posted July 24 Posted July 24 10 minutes ago, Vermillion said: The gaslighting here is I'll let you debate what you think of as Zionism with the others here (and may need to take it to the conflict thread) because I have to move on to other news. Well I'm not really interested in debating anyone and I don't think anyone is changing their mind. If antizionism isn't antisemitism, that's using a much narrower definition of discrimination than has been in vogue in recent years. Trump's "shithole countries" comments would, of course, not be considered discriminatory under this framework. But that's all I'll say about that. 2
Vermillion Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 minute ago, Eóghan said: I bet Trump's camp wished they didn't settle so hastily on JD Vance because now he's more of a nuisance to them than a benefit. Nuisance? Early numbers indicate he's actively hurting Trump's approvals with independents
Kylizzle Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Vance is the biggest liability of a VP pick since Palin, but somehow far worse because Palin at least had a sort of delusional charm that made her funny. Vance just sounds like a hyper-online nerd. It's such a 180 from Mike Pence's quiet and well-mannered image, I really wonder what the RNC was thinking there. 3 1
VOSS Posted July 24 Posted July 24 3 minutes ago, Kylizzle said: Vance is the biggest liability of a VP pick since Palin, but somehow far worse because Palin at least had a sort of delusional charm that made her funny. Vance just sounds like a hyper-online nerd. It's such a 180 from Mike Pence's quiet and well-mannered image, I really wonder what the RNC was thinking there. Vance has the same problem as DeSantis where you can just tell he spends so much time on groyper twitter in a way that really turns off normal prople
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