NausAllien Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Just now, Rotunda said: You sound like the generic Democratic position on the border What's your position? Total open borders?
GraceRandolph Posted July 24 Posted July 24 They set up Kamala to fail. One person cannot fix the "root causes" of immigration. 1
MAKSIM Posted July 24 Posted July 24 (edited) 4 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Lbr, Buttigieg will turn off plenty of older Dem voters. Polling indicates otherwise. He polls best against the other VP candidates for those 45+. His weakness is younger voters. Edited July 24 by MAKSIM
Thuggin Posted July 24 Posted July 24 I would prefer Buttigieg to Shapiro if given those two as options only because at least Buttigieg would bait the right into doubling down on their "DEI hire" attacks Beshear seems like the right choice to make everyone happy, but it would be just like Dems to **** it up somehow
ATRL Moderator Azulito Posted July 24 ATRL Moderator Posted July 24 Buttigieg is not convincing any swing voters and might even turn off young voters a non-starter After learning more about Shapiro, I think Beshear is the best option if Whitmer keeps saying no.
Thuggin Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Also Mark Kelly seems just as boring as Tim Kaine, like who tf cares that he was an astronaut
GraceRandolph Posted July 24 Posted July 24 17 minutes ago, MAKSIM said: Polling indicates otherwise. He polls best against the other VP candidates for those 45+. His weakness is younger voters. Another reason we should keep him off the ticket. Sorry, but America just isn't ready for a gay man in the White House.
Rotunda Posted July 24 Posted July 24 (edited) 30 minutes ago, NausAllien said: What's your position? Total open borders? My point is that the things you think Kamala did poorly are essentially what you're asking for. Congress is not going to prioritize billions in resources to other developing countries as a form of international welfare given Republican reservations on the issue, nor are they likely to want to divert patrol resources to other borders as opposed to increasing enforcement across the U.S.-Mex border. The issue with illegal immigration is that a major portion of the country is either unaffected or benefits from the cheap labor afforded by illegal immigration, and those that are harmed by it are unlikely to experience more than a marginal benefit from it ending given they are generally not individuals who advocate for labor unions or increased wages for cheap laborers. Illegal immigration is "the dog chasing the mailman" for most low income individuals, because their issue is not actually that illegal immigrants are stealing their jobs or draining US resources, but that they have a grievance against a broader system that has left them behind and they perceive themselves as being falsely made worse off because they can't hold jobs that were never going to pay them a fair wage anyway and that they were never going to ask for a fair wage from. The issue for Democrats is less that their border policy is uniquely bad and more that their border communication strategy is uniquely bad. With some policies, the public does not care if you are solving an issue, they just want to perceive you as doing something good. For example, school programs like DARE do not actually have strong indications that they decrease drug consumption in students, but they do give parents peace of mind that something is being done on the issue. Trump's wall is a clear example of a strategy that doesn't actually resolve an issue, but that gives dumb people the perception that it's being solved. Dems need to focus on messaging that indicates they have made improvements to the border, while also highlighting the economic benefit of providing a clear path to citizenship for those who are already in the country. Regardless…I would: - Create a path to citizenship for otherwise law-abiding illegal immigrants, emphasizing the economic benefits to citizens by adding them to the fold - Create a clarified amnesty and asylum process - Invest heavily in border technology upgrades and staffing increases emphasizing finding drug traffickers, human traffickers, and violent offenders and regularly push those successes Edited July 24 by Rotunda 2 2
Vroom Vroom Posted July 24 Posted July 24 So it sounds like all the vp options are awful. They all have more negatives than positives Now what
GraceRandolph Posted July 24 Posted July 24 2 minutes ago, Vermillion said: But people said the protests wouldn't change anything?
Blade Posted July 24 Posted July 24 I missed this convo by 2 hours, but if you don't live in the US, you cannot understand the impact a 2024 Taylor Swift endorsement would have especially if she does a campaign event in PA/any swing state. She will get a significant amount of apathetic white girls to register and vote Kamala. I agree with any assessment that her 2020 endorsement didn't move the needle significantly, but 2020 Taylor and 2024 Taylor are basically different people at this point. 5 1
GraceRandolph Posted July 24 Posted July 24 4 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said: I love Bernie but... We need someone under 75.
Sannie Posted July 24 Posted July 24 46 minutes ago, NausAllien said: I think it's a very complex problem that requires first of all addressing the root causes of migration from Mexico and Central America to the US. Is it because of poverty, crime, violence, etc? Maybe the US can work with those nations and help them solve those issues so people wouldn't feel the need to leave their countries, uproot their lives and go to the US. Of course the US does require a MAJOR immigration law reform, that gives undocumented immigrants a path to citizenship, but also helps potential immigrants obtain work visas so they don't have to enter the country illegally (sometimes aided by very shady or criminal individuals) Yeah, but if we spend money helping those countries, MAGA will just scream that we need to stop sending other countries money. What the right want is the right to kill brown people who cross the border. Sorry, that won't happen. 11 minutes ago, Blade said: I missed this convo by 2 hours, but if you don't live in the US, you cannot understand the impact a 2024 Taylor Swift endorsement would have especially if she does a campaign event in PA/any swing state. She will get a significant amount of apathetic white girls to register and vote Kamala. I agree with any assessment that her 2020 endorsement didn't move the needle significantly, but 2020 Taylor and 2024 Taylor are basically different people at this point. Also, didn't Taylor grow up in PA? It would make sense.
Blade Posted July 24 Posted July 24 this CNN poll that has Trump 49 / Harris 46 was just a repoll of respondents that had Trump 49 / Biden 43 4
NausAllien Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Interesting video (kinda controversial though): PS: I sure hope people here don't say Jimmy Dore is a right-wing pundit
Miles. Posted July 24 Posted July 24 2 hours ago, Armani? said: If we're talking younger White men, who are more likely to vote for her (basically like 50/50) then maybe booking a interview with a streamer like Kai Cenat may help???? Adin Ross & Jake Paul is trying to get his viewers to vote Trump so I don't really see the downside other than Kamala being very wierd in the interview and turning off swing voters. If we're talking older White men or even more rural voters I think the VP can help with that, I think Andy Beshear southern appeal helps honestly. The number one endorsement to sway young white men would be Mr. Beast. Her team needs to be doing everything in their power to make that happen, it would be an even bigger get than Taylor Swift and Beyonce combined.
Thuggin Posted July 24 Posted July 24 I hate how celebrity obsessed this country is and yes I realize the irony of posting this on a pop culture forum The fact we have to talk about a Taylor Swift endorsement potentially mattering. But also, much of Trump's appeal coming from his own celebrity status. And then we also have hypothetical polls that have famous actors like The Rock always going massively in the actors' favor, as if actors inherently know anything about running a country. All of this while the public still lambasts the "Hollywood elites" 1 1
Kool_Aid_King Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Just now, Miles. said: The number one endorsement to sway young white men would be Mr. Beast. Her team needs to be doing everything in their power to make that happen, it would be an even bigger get than Taylor Swift and Beyonce combined. Mr Beast & T-Swift could make a huge splash
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