Rotunda Posted July 24 Posted July 24 6 minutes ago, americanlife said: Knew it, because he's gay. But a ticket with a woc and a gay on it is not gonna win sadly. These are two contradictory statements side by side. 2 2
anti-bitch Posted July 24 Posted July 24 7 minutes ago, Vermillion said: "too liberal"? I don't think people know what that word means anymore 2
GraceRandolph Posted July 24 Posted July 24 3 minutes ago, anti-***** said: "too liberal"? I don't think people know what that word means anymore Black woman = liberal to a lot of Americans.
Sannie Posted July 24 Posted July 24 5 minutes ago, anti-***** said: "too liberal"? I don't think people know what that word means anymore YEAH, nothing these people are coming with are going to stick with any voter other than the MAGA base.
CaptainMusic Posted July 24 Posted July 24 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Vermillion said: Hopefully her team are looking online to see the negative reactions many have to Shapiro but then on the other hand there's too much positive reaction to Buttigieg on there so I don't want them to be swayed by that Edited July 24 by CaptainMusic
NausAllien Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Just now, Sannie said: YEAH, nothing these people are coming with are going to stick with any voter other than the MAGA base. Her bad record on immigration will, but you go ahead and keep denying reality (even when a Dem firm found the same thing)...
Thuggin Posted July 24 Posted July 24 11 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Black woman = liberal to a lot of Americans. And "white man from a red/swing state" = moderate for most people, including the pundits tbh. Hence why Shapiro, Beshear, Kelly, and Cooper are all being grouped together as "moderate" VP options. Such a childlike understanding of politics. Ilhan Omar could take any positions and would always be viewed as more "radical" than someone who looks like Fetterman
Sannie Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 minute ago, NausAllien said: Her bad record on immigration will, but you go ahead and keep denying reality (even when a Dem firm found the same thing)... You mean, the narrative that is completely false that she, unlike Biden, will be able to articulate is wrong? Yeah, blaming the black lady for Biden's problems sure is going to go over well with young people and voters of color. Immigration hurt Biden, it won't hurt Kamala. Everything hurt Biden simply because people wanted him gone. The excitement around Harris will keep her immune for a while.
NausAllien Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 minute ago, Sannie said: You mean, the narrative that is completely false that she, unlike Biden, will be able to articulate is wrong? Yeah, blaming the black lady for Biden's problems sure is going to go over well with young people and voters of color. Immigration hurt Biden, it won't hurt Kamala. Everything hurt Biden simply because people wanted him gone. The excitement around Harris will keep her immune for a while. Your denial of reality is quite concerning. Also, it's a little bit ridiculous that you keep bringing up her race. Her doing a bad job in the issue Biden appointed her to fix has NOTHING to do with her race. It's a little bit disturbing that you are using it to shield her from criticism.
Rotunda Posted July 24 Posted July 24 16 minutes ago, anti-***** said: "too liberal"? I don't think people know what that word means anymore Kamala did position herself as very liberal during her time in the Senate and during her initial campaign, but it's not like she followed through on any of that . If anything, I'd say Kamala's real issue is that she's hard to pin down politically. She ran to the left before 2020, then ran to the center once being linked with Biden. She also wasnt necessarily good at communicating a policy vision in the past, but it's likely she's improved since then. This may be less of an issue in a short race where nobody's necessarily looking for a policy wonk, but her inability to thread the needle on her Medicare For All stance was my first clue she wasn't ready for primetime in 2019. 1
Armani? Posted July 24 Posted July 24 7 minutes ago, Sannie said: You mean, the narrative that is completely false that she, unlike Biden, will be able to articulate is wrong? Yeah, blaming the black lady for Biden's problems sure is going to go over well with young people and voters of color. Immigration hurt Biden, it won't hurt Kamala. Everything hurt Biden simply because people wanted him gone. The excitement around Harris will keep her immune for a while. Immigration will hurt any Democrat, it almost doesn't matter what they do Biden deported more people than Trump's 1st term but "the country has open borders"
NausAllien Posted July 24 Posted July 24 3 minutes ago, Kitty Kat said: Oh Liz... She's right though. Even foreign leaders agree that she's utterly incapable or unwillingly to fix the immigration crisis and that's going to really hurt her chances. It is one of the top 3 most important issues for American voters according to multiple polls. 1
Ms. Togekiss Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 hour ago, NausAllien said: This "title" of BORDER CZAR will definitely haunt Kamala and make it VERY hard for her to address the current border crisis. This is one issue that could cost her the presidency. 1 hour ago, NausAllien said: Republicans will definitely use this whole mess to paint the Democratic party as ANTI-democracy, because at the end of the day, they DID ignore primary voters who voted for Joe Biden, and decided, on their own, to annoint Kamala Harris. BTW, I checked, and the ballots that were cast during the primaries didn't have Kamala's name ANYWHERE. It was assumed that she was going to be Biden's VP, but NO ONE voted for her. Ever. 1 hour ago, NausAllien said: 1.4M unique donors is much less than the 14.4M who voted for Biden in the primaries. BE FOR REAL! 1 hour ago, NausAllien said: 1 hour ago, NausAllien said: She in fact was as reported by multiple media sites like AXIOS: Now they're gaslighting people into believing they never claimed such a thing. But they did, even if it wasn't an "official" appointment. 1 hour ago, NausAllien said: The denial of reality is scary. Giving me BlueAnon vibes here. It was reported that Biden appointed her on March 2021 "to lead efforts to stem migration across the U.S.-Mexico border" This is the definition of "czar" So even though it was never an official position, she was indeed appointed to coordinate that area. These are FACTS, okay? 49 minutes ago, NausAllien said: Why didn't they vote for her during the previous primary? She had to withdraw BEFORE the primary due to a lack of support. She only got like 1% of the vote. And it has nothing to do with her race. If Michelle Obama was running, she'd have an easy win. 14 minutes ago, NausAllien said: Her bad record on immigration will, but you go ahead and keep denying reality (even when a Dem firm found the same thing)... 8 minutes ago, NausAllien said: Your denial of reality is quite concerning. Also, it's a little bit ridiculous that you keep bringing up her race. Her doing a bad job in the issue Biden appointed her to fix has NOTHING to do with her race. It's a little bit disturbing that you are using it to shield her from criticism. 1 11 1
Rotunda Posted July 24 Posted July 24 4 minutes ago, NausAllien said: She's right though. Even foreign leaders agree that she's utterly incapable or unwillingly to fix the immigration crisis and that's going to really hurt her chances. It is one of the top 3 most important issues for American voters according to multiple polls. Out of curiosity what do you think would fix the border crisis, and why hasn't that strategy been attempted in any of the recent Democratic or Republican regimes? 1
Thuggin Posted July 24 Posted July 24 13 minutes ago, Kitty Kat said: Oh Liz... No one: Conservatives - Ka-MAH-la
MAKSIM Posted July 24 Posted July 24 (edited) In the spectrum from least to most moderate, the VP candidates would be as follows: Waltz > Pritzker > Bashear = Buttigieg > Kelly > Cooper > Shapiro. I think Cooper is the biggest mistake of everyone listed. Will not bring any excitement to the ticket, does not guarantee North Carolina and will end up giving North Carolina a dangerous red trifecta. Edited July 24 by MAKSIM
Virgos Groove Posted July 24 Posted July 24 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Kitty Kat said: Oh Liz... The way she's been trying to position herself as a right-wing pundit for a year and a half now and nobody in America gives a ****. It'd be like the Democrats getting François Hollande to slam Trump or something. I mean, WHO cares??? Edited July 24 by Virgos Groove 1
thedeathbymusic Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Buttigieg is not a good option for the ticket BUT you can't deny he is the most effective communicator/debater out of the bunch. He would do really well against Vance in a debate.
NausAllien Posted July 24 Posted July 24 2 minutes ago, Rotunda said: Out of curiosity what do you think would fix the border crisis, and why hasn't that strategy been attempted in any of the recent Democratic or Republican regimes? I think it's a very complex problem that requires first of all addressing the root causes of migration from Mexico and Central America to the US. Is it because of poverty, crime, violence, etc? Maybe the US can work with those nations and help them solve those issues so people wouldn't feel the need to leave their countries, uproot their lives and go to the US. Of course the US does require a MAJOR immigration law reform, that gives undocumented immigrants a path to citizenship, but also helps potential immigrants obtain work visas so they don't have to enter the country illegally (sometimes aided by very shady or criminal individuals)
GraceRandolph Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 minute ago, thedeathbymusic said: Buttigieg is not a good option for the ticket BUT you can't deny he is the most effective communicator/debater out of the bunch. He would do really well against Vance in a debate. Lbr, Buttigieg will turn off plenty of older Dem voters. 1 1
Rotunda Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Just now, NausAllien said: I think it's a very complex problem that requires first of all addressing the root causes of migration from Mexico and Central America to the US. Is it because of poverty, crime, violence, etc? Maybe the US can work with those nations and help them solve those issues so people wouldn't feel the need to leave their countries, uproot their lives and go to the US. Of course the US does require a MAJOR immigration law reform, that gives undocumented immigrants a path to citizenship, but also helps potential immigrants obtain work visas so they don't have to enter the country illegally (sometimes aided by very shady or criminal individuals) You sound like the generic Democratic position on the border
shyboi Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Just now, NausAllien said: I think it's a very complex problem that requires first of all addressing the root causes of migration from Mexico and Central America to the US. Is it because of poverty, crime, violence, etc? Maybe the US can work with those nations and help them solve those issues so people wouldn't feel the need to leave their countries, uproot their lives and go to the US. Of course the US does require a MAJOR immigration law reform, that gives undocumented immigrants a path to citizenship, but also helps potential immigrants obtain work visas so they don't have to enter the country illegally (sometimes aided by very shady or criminal individuals) it all comes down to the root causes, after all
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