Sannie Posted July 23 Posted July 23 (edited) The sky is the limit with Kamala. If she's already truly neck and neck with Trump, she will pull past him in no time. None of these battleground states are off the table. So far, they've been rocking this. It's still early… need to know the VP pick asap. The great thing about Kamala is, she can actually travel to all of these states and campaign. Biden could not do that physically or mentally. Edited July 23 by Sannie 7
Cholien Posted July 23 Posted July 23 It's kinda hilarious how Kamala was deemed an inevitable electoral disaster for the last 4 years but thanks to the unique trifecta of Biden's decline becoming so much more noticeable, Trump being the nominee once again and the coconut meme taking off, she somehow became an electable and energizing candidate future history student essays on this moment in time will be a kii to witness 10
Blade Posted July 23 Posted July 23 What we're not gonna do is make the same mistake Hillary did. She didn't campaign in states she thought were safe blue and safe red. What did we get? The blue wall falling and AZ/GA being surprisingly reachable but still red. Look at these swings from 2012 to 2016 during a Trump presidency WIN. AZ: R+9 --> R+3.5 (5.5% D swing) GA: R+7.8 --> R+5.2 (2.6% D swing) Then of course AZ swung D +3.8 and GA swung D+5.4 when comparing 2016 and 2020. In just 2 elections after 2012 they swung 8.8% and 8% from R to D. 5
Wonderland Posted July 23 Posted July 23 Just now, Blade said: What we're not gonna do is make the same mistake Hillary did. She didn't campaign in states she thought were safe blue and safe red. What did we get? The blue wall falling and AZ/GA being surprisingly reachable but still red. Look at these swings from 2012 to 2016 during a Trump presidency WIN. AZ: R+9 --> R+3.5 (5.5% D swing) GA: R+7.8 --> R+5.2 (2.6% D swing) Then of course AZ swung D +3.8 and GA swung D+5.4 when comparing 2016 and 2020. In just 2 elections after 2012 they swung 8.8% and 8% from R to D. Kamala about to snatch Texas 1 10
Armani? Posted July 23 Posted July 23 17 minutes ago, NausAllien said: No, they are not. It's a waste of money. Biden won Georgia by 0.2% and Arizona by 0.3%, in the middle of a pandemic where Trump had its lower favorability ratings. Georgia is probably more of a chance than Arizona in this race since Black voters are more winnable than recovering from Biden's slipping with Latino voters Also if Georgia's demographics changes have continued, Georgia is more diverse racially than in 2020.
Eóghan Posted July 23 Posted July 23 17 minutes ago, Blade said: Ms. @Communion I don't know about you but I'm utterly shocked on the complete flip from the vast majority of online leftists on Kamala. And no I'm not talking about how we were all on board with Biden dropping and her being the replacement. I'm talking about actively combatting the misinfo from right-wingers arguing in bad faith or the super far left minority who both say she personally jailed thousands upon thousands of Black men or try to paint her stint as Attorney General as this uber racist coastal elite power trip. No it's not shocking, it's called: priorities and reason. We have 4 years ahead of us to talk **** about Kamala but now is not the time. For example, there's still some members in here who are actually hoping for a female VP (and they are right, both Williamson and Gretchen are leagues ahead everyone), but there's a serious lack of priorities and reason in their thinking. I'd call it delusion but it's a bit harsh. 1
anti-bitch Posted July 23 Posted July 23 1 hour ago, karron0624 said: So the spoiler for the next episode of drag race says Kamala is on this episode. They had to have know . The timing with the coconut/Brat memes was a bit to good, let's be real
Virgos Groove Posted July 23 Posted July 23 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Cholien said: It's kinda hilarious how Kamala was deemed an inevitable electoral disaster for the last 4 years but thanks to the unique trifecta of Biden's decline becoming so much more noticeable, Trump being the nominee once again and the coconut meme taking off, she somehow became an electable and energizing candidate future history student essays on this moment in time will be a kii to witness Honestly, Kamala's rise this month is a perfect example of how to do politics. Refusing to backstab Biden publicly to avoid pissing off Blue MAGA while secretly securing endorsements from all wings of the party is a masterstroke of negotiation. I can't wait for the documentaries about what really hapenned in these last 4 weeks. From Biden hunkering down in the WH to Nancy being a real-life Bene Gesserit, there'll be some juicy stuff for sure. Edited July 23 by Virgos Groove 6
Blade Posted July 23 Posted July 23 6 minutes ago, Eóghan said: No it's not shocking, it's called: priorities and reason. We have 4 years ahead of us to talk **** about Kamala but now is not the time. For example, there's still some members in here who are actually hoping for a female VP (and they are right, both Williamson and Gretchen are leagues ahead everyone), but there's a serious lack of priorities and reason in their thinking. I'd call it delusion but it's a bit harsh. I guess I'm shocked because it's a stark contrast from the complete leftist shut out of Hillary and even the split Biden seemed to have. It seems like a vast majority of leftists are on board which I've just never seen with a Democratic candidate since I started voting in 2016. Is this how leftists treated 08 Obama too? 2
GraceRandolph Posted July 23 Posted July 23 1 minute ago, Blade said: I guess I'm shocked because it's a stark contrast from the complete leftist shut out of Hillary and even the split Biden seemed to have. It seems like a vast majority of leftists are on board which I've just never seen with a Democratic candidate since I started voting in 2016. Is this how leftists treated 08 Obama too? Huh? Most Sanders supporters backed Clinton (more Sanders supporters back Hillary in 2016 than Hillary supporters backed Obama in 08) but we obviously weren't happy with her. Leftists were more optimistic about Obama in 08, and largely got on board with Biden in 2020, but I think Biden 2024 was just such a lost cause that no one wanted to waste their time on him. 1
Blade Posted July 23 Posted July 23 1 minute ago, GraceRandolph said: Huh? Most Sanders supporters backed Clinton (more Sanders supporters back Hillary in 2016 than Hillary supporters backed Obama in 08) but we obviously weren't happy with her. Leftists were more optimistic about Obama in 08, and largely got on board with Biden in 2020, but I think Biden 2024 was just such a lost cause that no one wanted to waste their time on him. I should have added that my anecdata (yes I know) was based more on online rhetoric. I do know that Sanders supporters did mostly vote for Clinton. By shutout I meant it seemed like no one truly got behind her in the way they are doing for Kamala.
midnightdawn Posted July 23 Posted July 23 20 minutes ago, Cholien said: It's kinda hilarious how Kamala was deemed an inevitable electoral disaster for the last 4 years but thanks to the unique trifecta of Biden's decline becoming so much more noticeable, Trump being the nominee once again and the coconut meme taking off, she somehow became an electable and energizing candidate future history student essays on this moment in time will be a kii to witness Things can change so quickly. If that bullet had hit last weekend then Nikki would probably be the nominee and getting a big win against Biden (who would have used the distraction of Trump being assassinated to avoid quitting).
Lightbringer007 Posted July 23 Posted July 23 idk about yall but im now excited and intrigued as to how this will all go. we CANNOT be complacent at all ... every vote matters! Continue to spread the word and the correct info too 7
Communion Posted July 23 Posted July 23 8 minutes ago, Blade said: Ms. @Communion I don't know about you but I'm utterly shocked on the complete flip from the vast majority of online leftists on Kamala. And no I'm not talking about how we were all on board with Biden dropping and her being the replacement. I'm talking about actively combatting the misinfo from right-wingers arguing in bad faith or the super far left minority who both say she personally jailed thousands upon thousands of Black men or try to paint her stint as Attorney General as this uber racist coastal elite power trip. A difference I think though is that I do think the bold (98%+) are acting in good faith. And why I think it's important for Kamala to make sure she carves out a progressive identity. Like it's hard to argue people like Mohammed are somehow being dishonest or unreasonable when fearing if Kamala continue Biden's rivers of blood through Gaza: The reality is most progressives are going to want to support a black woman even if viewing representational politics as cynical. There is a kind of innate sense in progressives' minds to want to give a political figure the benefit of the doubt and see where they can go If there is something significantly progressive & historical about their identity. And the unprecedented nature of the moment (Biden stepping down) does kind of propel people to run where there's momentum. But I do think she could still end up eroding that momentum if playing into the same tropes Biden did. We don't need warhawk foreign policy. We don't need far-right fearmongering over the border. We do not need fear-mongering over crime and the cheering of police (I'm sure Kamala will be asked about Sonya Massey eventually). The polling is showing her momentum is not being propelled by conservative, moderate independents but a resurgence in base enthusiasm - young people, POC, progressives. Part of that is that conservatives' attempts to discredit her are so radically regressive and reactionary that progressives will naturally want to push back. But as well, trying to pivot right to counter other criticisms (and needlessly appeal to the right) would be an insult to progressives championing her. Especially when, even outside of the weird and disgusting personal insults, what the right is trying to "gotcha" her one will only endear her to progressives more despite her harsh past. Embrace progressives! Embrace us! 3 1
Virgos Groove Posted July 23 Posted July 23 3 minutes ago, Blade said: I should have added that my anecdata (yes I know) was based more on online rhetoric. I do know that Sanders supporters did mostly vote for Clinton. By shutout I meant it seemed like no one truly got behind her in the way they are doing for Kamala. It helps that Kamala isn't seen as the face of "DNC anti-progressivism" (and hawkish foreign policy) like Hillary was in 2016. Even though Bernie supporters voted overwhelmingly for Clinton and the Dem platform made a (small) turn to Bernie-ism, the email scandal caused some bad blood between the two factions that never got resolved. Had that not hapenned, Bernie supporters might've shown more excitement in voting for her. 2
bunnyeyes Posted July 23 Posted July 23 (edited) We need to campaign like we could flip every red state and lose every blue one, while still prioritizing battlegrounds. I think we actually have the energy and momentum for some close flips we need that we haven't had since '08 Edited July 23 by bunnyeyes 2
midnightdawn Posted July 23 Posted July 23 CNN just had a clip of the crowd at her rally chanting "Ka-Ma-La Ka-Ma-La" but the captions said "Lock him up! Lock him up!" 2
FameFatale Posted July 23 Posted July 23 1 hour ago, Vroom Vroom said: I was listening to a conservative radio station while driving home for lunch and they played the coconut tree sound bite and were making fun of her for it. They are so out of touch. I haven't been this excited about a candidate in a long time Did you see now republicans are doing a layover of a translucent red color over their social media to counteract the brat green movement? They don't get it. 8
anti-bitch Posted July 23 Posted July 23 2 minutes ago, FameFatale said: Did you see now republicans are doing a layover of a translucent red color over their social media to counteract the brat green movement? They don't get it. They expose themselves with the need to oppose everything that's coming from the other side, not even understanding it's a meme not a political statement 6
anti-bitch Posted July 23 Posted July 23 And you know they really wanna say some bad word about her ethnicity but for now they just call her "DEI"
Eat The Acid Posted July 23 Posted July 23 2 minutes ago, Blade said: Oh she's taking Georgia. The black vote will be out in force. 2
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